Jan 23 2007, 09:15 PM
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![]() Retired Funk-bringer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,656 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 14 |
http://www.theregister.com/2007/01/23/texa...s_deep_linking/
QUOTE ("the article @ since you fuckwads are too lazy to click it") Texas court bans deep linking Deeply disturbing, Google lawyer says By OUT-LAW.com → More by this author Published Tuesday 23rd January 2007 17:36 GMT Research Library - All papers free to download A court in Dallas, Texas has found a website operator liable for copyright infringement because his site linked to an 'audio webcast' without permission. Observers have criticised the judge for failing to understand the internet. Robert Davis runs Supercrosslive.com and put direct links on his site to audio streams of motorcycle racing. Those streams were created, owned and hosted by SFX Motor Sports, which is behind some of the events covered. A preliminary injunction was granted on 12th December by Judge Sam Lindsay in the US District Court for the Northern District of Texas. Judge Lindsay followed that ruling with a summary judgment for SFX on 9th January, leaving only damages to be determined at trial, on the same day that Davis filed an appeal against the December ruling. Judge Lindsay ruled that Davis's activity infringed copyright and curtailed the ability of SFX to sell advertising and sponsorship on its site. That advertising is displayed when the audio streams are listened to from the SFX site but not when they are linked to from Davis's. In fact the December opinion was unclear on the exact nature of Davis's activity. SFX asserted that "Davis 'streams' the live webcast of the races on his website in 'real time'". Davis denied streaming but admitted to "providing an audio webcast 'link' to the racing events on his website". Judge Lindsay appears to accept that Davis is only linking to a media file, not streaming content from his own site. "The live broadcasts of the racing events, either via television, radio or internet webcasts, constitute original audiovisual material that can be copyrighted under the Copyright Act," wrote Lindsay in his December opinion. "The court finds that SFX has shown a substantial likelihood of succeeding on the merits of its copyright claim against Davis because SFX has shown ownership of the material and 'copying' by Davis." Davis argued that he did not actually copy any material, he only provided a link to it which opened the material in a user's media player, but the court ruled that that link broke the law. "The court finds that the unauthorized 'link' to the live webcasts that Davis provides on his website would likely qualify as a copied display or performance of SFX’s copyrightable material," said Lindsay. "The court also finds that the link Davis provides on his website is not a 'fair use' of copyright material as Davis asserts through his Answer." Judge Lindsay did not look to other cases on deep linking, being hyperlinks that target something other than a website's homepage. Instead, he looked at cases on live television broadcasts. He compared Davis's actions to those of a company sued by the NFL for the unauthorised capture and satellite transmission of live football broadcasts to viewers in Canada. Finding infringement, that court said a public performance or display, for the purposes of the Copyright Act, "includes each step in the process by which a protected work wends its way to its audience." The opinion and summary judgment prompted one blogger, James Robertson, to accuse Judge Lindsay of having "no idea how the internet works". Davis was representing himself in his case, without the assistance of a lawyer. Perhaps guided by comments from various bloggers (including William Patry, Senior Copyright Counsel at Google, who called it "a deeply disturbing case"), Davis's appeal argues that since the December ruling he has "become familiar with" a 2000 decision on deep linking. "Had this court been aware of this prior decision, Defendant believes this court may have produced a different ruling," wrote Davis in his latest motion of 12th January, which asks the court to stay the order of 11th December pending his appeal (though it makes no reference to the Summary Judgment handed down three days earlier). The case to which he refers is the dispute between Ticketmaster Corp. and Tickets.com. Tickets.com, a seller of tickets, was sued for linking to pages on Ticketmaster's website where users could find tickets not available at Tickets.com. The US District Court for the Central District of California concluded: "hypertext linking [without framing] does not itself involve a violation of the Copyright Act … since no copying is involved." That court went on to describe the process of hypertext linking: "The customer is automatically transferred to the particular genuine web page of the original author. There is no deception in what is happening. This is analogous to using a library's card index to get reference to particular items, albeit faster and more efficiently." However, if an appeal is heard, unless Davis's site made clear that the target file was being served by another website, SFX may be able to distinguish its circumstances from those of Ticketmaster. Davis's site has become a repository for court documents and links to coverage of the case. wait, did i just break the law? -------------------- WAIT. I'm not finished.
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Jan 23 2007, 10:27 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 16 |
Fucking old people. Jesus.
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Jan 24 2007, 08:50 AM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
i agree with the ruling /shrug
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Jan 24 2007, 09:01 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
He's guilty of hot-linking (which, while frowned upon, is not illegal), not copyright infringement. Jesus H. Christ.
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Jan 24 2007, 09:04 AM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
how is it not copyright infringement if they provided the copyrighted content without consent?
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Jan 24 2007, 10:27 AM
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![]() Group: Agents Posts: 4,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lu-bok Member No.: 41 |
so if i change my mohradio link to link to the music stream rather than their site i am breaking the law.
wow. thats leet. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2007, 11:17 AM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
well...the internet is illegal
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Jan 24 2007, 12:24 PM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
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Jan 24 2007, 12:26 PM
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![]() Group: Agents Posts: 4,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lu-bok Member No.: 41 |
its a radio station that plays music.
im assuming that the music is copyrighted. same with their live broadcasts. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2007, 12:47 PM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
right... so you broadcasting that music would be illegal
linking to their stream... might be ok, prob just depends on what their legal shit on their site says. |
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Jan 24 2007, 11:54 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
how is it not copyright infringement if they provided the copyrighted content without consent? Because he's not copying or distributing anything, merely providing a link to it. If I tell you where a book is, point you to it, am I guilty of copyright infringement? Same damn thing. -------------------- |
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Jan 25 2007, 11:43 AM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Because he's not copying or distributing anything, merely providing a link to it. If I tell you where a book is, point you to it, am I guilty of copyright infringement? Same damn thing. no, it's not the same thing. the content being infringed upon is the sfx website. it's content they produced, and provided via their site. by undermining the use of their site to view the content, this person violated the copyright of their website. your book analogy doesn't work. even though you tell me where the book is, I still have to go to that same library and go through the same process to get it. in this case, the defendant made himself the librarian and provided you with the book, bypassing the official library altogether. why do you think major sporting events remind you at the beginning and end that not just copying but "re-broadcast" is prohibited? |
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Jan 25 2007, 12:50 PM
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![]() From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
I don't see the issue with linking to the plaintiff's website as long as they represent that it's material by the plaintiff hosted on the plaintiff's website. If the defendant's website represents that it was made by them, then I'd see a problem.
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Jan 25 2007, 01:00 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
no, it's not the same thing. the content being infringed upon is the sfx website. it's content they produced, and provided via their site. by undermining the use of their site to view the content, this person violated the copyright of their website. I agree that it's wrong, I just don't think that "copyright infringement" is the right description for it. He's not stealing their work or claiming it as his own, just undermining their ability to display ads alongside their content. -------------------- |
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Jan 25 2007, 01:30 PM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
well everything you create, whether printed, websites, anything is automatically under U.S. copyright laws. you control that content and how it is to be used. now I don't know what you're required to do as far as displaying a ©2007 Chuck Enterprises or whatever, or having a page that describes the uses/misuses of your content, and maybe that creates a loophole in this case I dunno, but it doesn't sound like it did.
I don't see the issue with linking to the plaintiff's website as long as they represent that it's material by the plaintiff hosted on the plaintiff's website. If the defendant's website represents that it was made by them, then I'd see a problem. well that's also up to the creator of the content. you can't use any copyrighted material you want simply because you display the name of the original creator. |
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