Mar 3 2006, 11:54 AM
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I was reading one of my homeboy Low's articles and tried to post a reply, only to find out it was deleted. That shit is wack.
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Mar 3 2006, 11:55 AM
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The man is just trying to keep us brothas down. Fuck whitey!
-------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 11:55 AM
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he needs to include a link to the article
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Mar 3 2006, 11:57 AM
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Crybaby sunbitches.
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Mar 3 2006, 11:57 AM
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my source www.google.com
-------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 11:58 AM
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![]() Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 36 |
QUOTE (TTULow2 @ Mar 3 2006, 11:57 AM) Crybaby sunbitches. why can't you just follow the rules you fag |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:08 PM
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It was posted in Entertainment, where I see no rules posted. The off topic rules are as follows:
QUOTE Official Rules for Off-Topic Not too hard here No NSFW (not safe for work) images in your posts. Link them instead and note them as NSFW Example: NSFW: http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat...n-mug-thumb.jpg or http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat...n-mug-thumb.jpg (NSFW) If you think a thread is NSFW, please note it in the initial post Pretty much everything else goes. Keep it cool & PM me or a global mod if you have any problems/questions/suggestions/etc. You people are just hatin' cuz he's black. -------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 12:15 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 3 2006, 11:08 AM) It was posted in Entertainment, where I see no rules posted. The off topic rules are as follows: You people are just hatin' cuz he's black. Try reading the general rules, dumbass: http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=105 -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:18 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 26-February 06 Member No.: 83 |
QUOTE myself (12:54:10 PM): these forums have taken a drastic turn for the worst
myself (12:54:15 PM): we need to put more robot porn in em nick (12:54:17 PM): no fucking joke nick (12:54:23 PM): shotgunnin corn, fuckin bitches doggy myself (12:54:39 PM): well the huge problem is everyone wanted to be a mod myself (12:54:41 PM): now they all are nick (12:54:53 PM): I KNOW nick (12:54:57 PM): i hate that there are like 2000 mods nick (12:55:00 PM): they are so n00b myself (12:55:08 PM): lance solo mod was awesome because he never fixed shit nick (12:55:48 PM): yeah nick (12:55:55 PM): now we got retards trying to "police" their boards nick (12:56:16 PM): if i had to read one more of those rules thread i would have driven a truck full of explosives into the internet |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:21 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
wtf... people bitched about TTULow's threads and now that we're DOING something about it, people are bitching about THAT? He's been told many, MANY times to follow the rules (both in PM and via other means) and has specifically said that he's not going to follow them. Fuck that. The rules aren't unreasonable, the rules aren't hard, he's just trying to be an asshole and a dipshit by ignoring them.
These boards have seen very light moderation since the restart... yes, more moderation than before, but still VERY light compared to most boards. We talk about a lot of stuff behind the scenes to make sure that nobody is overstepping their boundaries by deleting threads or whatnot. This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Mar 3 2006, 12:22 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:21 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 12:15 PM) Try reading the general rules, dumbass: http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=105 calling someone a dumbass isn't very professional, christine. very un-modlike figures youd be the biggest bitch out of everyone when it came to moderating. -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:24 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 11:21 AM) calling someone a dumbass isn't very professional, christine. very un-modlike figures youd be the biggest bitch out of everyone when it came to moderating. He's a dumbass to be quoting rules when he doesn't KNOW the rules. -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:25 PM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
since when did this site become "professional"?
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Mar 3 2006, 12:27 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 26-February 06 Member No.: 83 |
my point is there is 3 general mods and additional specific forum mods for a total of 10 mods.
there is what, 30 "active" members on this forum? most forums you are thinking of have a much smaller mod:user ratio. so what if he doesnt post a link and put what the news story said in quotes? if its posted like that take it like that, with a grain of salt and less credible then someone who links the direct article. he isnt posting trannys or someshit in the otherwise work safe forums, so at worst its causing you 15seconds of delay to google the article. |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (woody @ Mar 3 2006, 12:25 PM) since when did this site become "professional"? since lance decided to get about 13 mods. (waiting for jim to come in and defend his girlfriend like he usually does -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:28 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (hodge @ Mar 3 2006, 12:27 PM) my point is there is 3 general mods and additional specific forum mods for a total of 10 mods. there is what, 30 "active" members on this forum? most forums you are thinking of have a much smaller mod:user ratio. so what if he doesnt post a link and put what the news story said in quotes? if its posted like that take it like that, with a grain of salt and less credible then someone who links the direct article. he isnt posting trannys or someshit in the otherwise work safe forums, so at worst its causing you 15seconds of delay to google the article. WINNER -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:31 PM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,499 Joined: 23-February 06 From: El Paso Texas Member No.: 32 |
seriously, get a napkin, and clean the cum out of your ears. you sound like a bitch
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Mar 3 2006, 12:31 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
I agree that having 13 mods is excessive. However, it doesn't make the site "professional", nor does it necessarily mean that it's over-moderated.
We based the news article rules partially on the bazillion complaints that people had made before about TTULow's posting habits. Some of the mods just wanted to ignore low's threads, but Lance asked us to delete his threads if he violated the rules. Not the mods... LANCE. So if you wanna bitch about us enforcing the rules, take it up with Lance. He's the one who made that call. And Jim doesn't come and post to "defend" me any more than you post to "defend" Jessica, Will. It may appear like that, but that's not the case. This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Mar 3 2006, 12:32 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:34 PM
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i have no problem with the rules per se, only with how many unneeded mods there are and how the rules are currently enforced
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Mar 3 2006, 12:35 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 11:34 AM) i have no problem with the rules per se, only with how many unneeded mods there are and how the rules are currently enforced What do you disagree with in how the rules are enforced? (I'm seriously asking here) -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:36 PM
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![]() Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
We do have a lot of mods, but most of them do little to nothing because they haven't had to. I don't think there's been a problem with too many mods so far.
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Mar 3 2006, 12:39 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 12:35 PM) What do you disagree with in how the rules are enforced? (I'm seriously asking here) i probably shouldnt be commenting, since i honestly havent read all the damn rules of each forum (who has?). it seems mods are way too move and delete happy - and yes, this includes my girlfriend, who i got pissed at for deleting one of my posts. mods have already gotten in turf wars over other mods moving stuff in and out of their forums. -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:43 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
What's wrong with moving a topic to where it belongs?
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Mar 3 2006, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 12:39 PM) i probably shouldnt be commenting, since i honestly havent read all the damn rules of each forum (who has?). it seems mods are way too move and delete happy - and yes, this includes my girlfriend, who i got pissed at for deleting one of my posts. mods have already gotten in turf wars over other mods moving stuff in and out of their forums. I agree with Will on every forum not having to have it's own rules thread. I didn't add one to Health & Fitness because it's pretty self-explanatory and it goes with the general rules. |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 12:15 PM) Try reading the general rules, dumbass: http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=105 Sorry I didn't feel like searching through the 14 rules threads there are on this damn site. In the future, I will try to cater posting style to whatever forum I might be in. Stop being a bitch. -------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 12:46 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 11:39 AM) i probably shouldnt be commenting, since i honestly havent read all the damn rules of each forum (who has?). it seems mods are way too move and delete happy - and yes, this includes my girlfriend, who i got pissed at for deleting one of my posts. mods have already gotten in turf wars over other mods moving stuff in and out of their forums. Well... I think most of that happened right at the beginning of the restart (except for deleting low's threads). I haven't noticed many moves/deletes in the last few days and we're actually talking about things in the moderator's forum before doing something questionable. -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:50 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
oh, and additionally: yes, i agree the old board had problems. i agree it needed fixing. but the wrong things are being fixed. honestly, who gives a shit if an occasional thread is in the wrong place? and who cares if an occasional nsfw pic is posted, other than it might get you in trouble for slacking off at work? techsans has never been a "safe for work" site, so why start trying to make it one now?
the problem wasnt any of those things, it stuff like dipshit forsaken starting 75 threads with one video each in em. stuff like greg and zetec coming in to threads with one word replies to up their postcount itd be nice to find a happy medium between the old board and the new board. in no woody im not just whining, these are valid complaints. ive enjoyed the board for three years, and now its pretty much sucks due to various things. it isnt as fun as it once was -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:50 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
I have no need to "defend" Christine, there's no real point in doing so. She can take care of herself, she's a big girl.
What I do have to say is this: The rules at Techsans are very, very laid back. I mean, seriously. And they're easy to follow. If you don't follow them, you'll get your posts deleted, thread deleted, moved, and what not. That's simple. Follow the rules and you won't have it done to you. If you can't take the time to read them and then you start bitching about them I have this to say: Shut the fuck up. Oh, and like I tell the people at the forums I admin, if you don't like the rules, you don't have to stay. -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 3 2006, 12:50 PM) Oh, and like I tell the people at the forums I admin, if you don't like the rules, you don't have to stay. Except we want people to stay |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:53 PM
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So TTULow can't post a thread without a source, but Forsaken can have an Avatar with clitoral stimulation in it?
-------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 3 2006, 12:53 PM) So TTULow can't post a thread without a source, but Forsaken can have an Avatar with clitoral stimulation in it? That's being taken care of already |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:54 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
You want people who constantly bitch about something that's not hard to do staying at this place? Pfffft, I'd much rather them leave, have fewer posts but at least have posts that aren't whines.
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Mar 3 2006, 12:56 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 3 2006, 12:54 PM) You want people who constantly bitch about something that's not hard to do staying at this place? Pfffft, I'd much rather them leave, have fewer posts but at least have posts that aren't whines. you bitch and whine more than anyone jimmy. you just mask it in this faux internet hardass persona youve started using recently -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 3 2006, 12:54 PM) You want people who constantly bitch about something that's not hard to do staying at this place? Pfffft, I'd much rather them leave, have fewer posts but at least have posts that aren't whines. no offense, but before you came the forum was a lot better. im not 100% sure, but i do recall the forum memberbase being much larger and diverse then then it is now. its when jackasses like yourself come and try and be dominant that people start to get tired and leave because its no longer enjoyable. but i might be wrong and all the people that used to frequent these boards that say they now loathe it were probly just joshing with me. those kidders! |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:58 PM
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![]() Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
Goddammit!!
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Mar 3 2006, 12:58 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 11:50 AM) oh, and additionally: yes, i agree the old board had problems. i agree it needed fixing. but the wrong things are being fixed. Ok, let me address your concerns one at a time. QUOTE honestly, who gives a shit if an occasional thread is in the wrong place? and who cares if an occasional nsfw pic is posted, other than it might get you in trouble for slacking off at work? techsans has never been a "safe for work" site, so why start trying to make it one now? Well, actually, a lot of people care. There were several complaints, even back when I was first a mod, about NSFW pics showing up in random threads. A lot of people read Techsans while at work... I like to browse while eating lunch at my desk, but I don't want to see a pic of someone's dick in the middle of asdf. QUOTE the problem wasnt any of those things, it stuff like dipshit forsaken starting 75 threads with one video each in em. stuff like greg and zetec coming in to threads with one word replies to up their postcount And now, if Brandon starts several video threads, we'll merge them into one. We have a policy in place to merge TTULow's rapper threads into a single thread too... that is, if he'd ever post them right. QUOTE itd be nice to find a happy medium between the old board and the new board. We're trying. Most of the mods here are new to modding and it takes time to figure out which rules are good and which are bunk. Most of the rules in place now stem from complaints that people have made in the past. If we get a lot of complaints about a specific rule, we'll consider changing it. But it takes time. Techsans can't become perfect overnight. And JRock, I'm sorry that I called you a dumbass. I got frustrated when I saw 12 threads by TTULow2 in /dev/null (8 of which were the same thread re-posted) and then saw you complaining about us deleting them. -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 12:59 PM
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
bitch fest!
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Mar 3 2006, 01:00 PM
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![]() Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (hodge @ Mar 3 2006, 12:57 PM) no offense, but before you came the forum was a lot better. im not 100% sure, but i do recall the forum memberbase being much larger and diverse then then it is now. its when jackasses like yourself come and try and be dominant that people start to get tired and leave because its no longer enjoyable. but i might be wrong and all the people that used to frequent these boards that say they now loathe it were probly just joshing with me. those kidders! I'd say people like Low pushed more people away than Jim... ...just a hunch. Seriously, does everyone here actually dedicate this much of there life and energy to how this message board is/should be? -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:02 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (hodge @ Mar 3 2006, 11:57 AM) no offense, but before you came the forum was a lot better. im not 100% sure, but i do recall the forum memberbase being much larger and diverse then then it is now. its when jackasses like yourself come and try and be dominant that people start to get tired and leave because its no longer enjoyable. but i might be wrong and all the people that used to frequent these boards that say they now loathe it were probly just joshing with me. those kidders! Uh, what? I don't remember myself ever causing anyone to leave. I mean, I came in September of '04 and the decline didn't start 'til about February or so of '05. It sure did take them a long, long time to decide that jackasses like me were reason enough to leave this forum. Maybe it was because of other reasons? Hmmm, I'm not sure, though. Sure, I pissed people off but did they leave because of it? I don't think so. -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:04 PM
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![]() Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
QUOTE (Jim @ Mar 3 2006, 01:02 PM) Uh, what? I don't remember myself ever causing anyone to leave. I mean, I came in September of '04 and the decline didn't start 'til about February or so of '05. It sure did take them a long, long time to decide that jackasses like me were reason enough to leave this forum. Maybe it was because of other reasons? Hmmm, I'm not sure, though. Sure, I pissed people off but did they leave because of it? I don't think so. I don't know if you do it on purpose or not, but you seem to have a habit of antagonizing people (maybe specific people, I don't know). |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:09 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (moebary @ Mar 3 2006, 01:04 PM) I don't know if you do it on purpose or not, but you seem to have a habit of antagonizing people (maybe specific people, I don't know). yeah, jim honestly used to be one of my favorite posters. i guess when he came back after being banned he turned into a colossal arrogant douchebag though. -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 01:14 PM
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![]() N 0 t h i n g Group: Members Posts: 1,449 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 54 |
I think we need to scrap the local mods and just keep the global ones. Three or four people are plenty of people to make sure stupid shit doesn't happen.
I think people are just being anti-authority because they can be, not because they want the random three guys sucking each other off pictures back in every thread, or reading an interesting topic to only be blinded by a girl shitting on herself in a tub. I personally feel though that links to sources shouldn't be required. Yeah, it's annoying, but who gives a shit. -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:15 PM
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Let's Bother Snape!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,598 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 12:09 PM) he turned into a colossal arrogant douchebag though. I've always been a colossal, arrogant douchebag -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:18 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:25 PM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 572 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 33 |
i am gonna pee in your ass
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Mar 3 2006, 01:25 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
here's an idea: how about a stickied thread (in off topic, since its the most active forum) explaining each mod decision. i believe a WOW thread was deleted or merged a few weeks ago? just add a note to the explanationthread stating "new WOW thread moved to entertainment and merged with existing WOW thread"
i knew why it was moved, since jessica is my gf. but im sure most people had no idea and a few got pissed off. a simple note explaining why im sure would shut most people up. most of the time people get mad cause no explanation is given. as to why their thread or post was moved/deleted -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 01:32 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Maybe not a bad idea... we have a similar thread in the mods-only forum, but having something like that publically available might quiet some people.
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Mar 3 2006, 01:33 PM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 572 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 33 |
how about a sticky topic for all of ttulow's compiled random news articles
and a sticky for mod-hating, fucking mods. and a sticky bun maaaaaaaaaan, i am hungry |
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Mar 3 2006, 01:42 PM
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FFFFFFFUCKKKKKKKKKKKK Group: Members Posts: 1,673 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 11 |
Oh, Internet.
Nobody really comes here expecting up to date CNN news quality reporting here, i don't really give a shit if he does or does not post a link. Like Hodge said before just take his articles with less seriousness than other articles or if you're feeling really OCD you can just post a link for him. And i kinda agree that we dont need all of these mods. Hell, i'll give away my modship if it means we go back to having just lance and maybe one or two people |
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Mar 3 2006, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 01:32 PM) Maybe not a bad idea... we have a similar thread in the mods-only forum, but having something like that publically available might quiet some people. or how about this: i'm sure the mods have better things to do than read through every thread and make sure there are no nsfw pics posted. i know if i was a mod, i wouldn't want to do that. how about a strike policy against people who post nsfw pics? the first offense you get a warning (since i'm sure there are some people who haven't read the rules). second offense gets you a week's banning. third offense gets you banned for a month. -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 02:55 PM
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![]() New and Improved? Group: Members Posts: 629 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 40 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 02:54 PM) or how about this: i'm sure the mods have better things to do than read through every thread and make sure there are no nsfw pics posted. i know if i was a mod, i wouldn't want to do that. how about a strike policy against people who post nsfw pics? the first offense you get a warning (since i'm sure there are some people who haven't read the rules). second offense gets you a week's banning. third offense gets you banned for a month. You complain about us deleting threads and now you're telling us to ban members? Doctor, my head. This post has been edited by Jyan: Mar 3 2006, 02:56 PM -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 03:05 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (Jyan @ Mar 3 2006, 02:55 PM) You complain about us deleting threads and now you're telling us to ban members? Doctor, my head. if the objective is to make the boards a better place, why not? i know that a mod's job description means fixing board problems, but nothing is fixed in the grand scheme of things if no one is following the new rules. it just means the board is more heavily moderated, and mods have to do more additional work that could easily be avoided in the first place. why not make the general posters accountable for their actions? fixing the problems as they happen is not a long term solution, eliminating the problems before they happen is -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (Gert @ Mar 3 2006, 11:58 AM) why can't you just follow the rules you fag Be quiet Skeletor. |
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Mar 3 2006, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 3 2006, 01:00 PM) I'd say people like Low pushed more people away than Jim...
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Mar 3 2006, 03:41 PM
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ok first of all...to the people who are saying these boards shouldnt be SFW anyway.. look, boards change, like the members on them. when this board first started a few years ago, mostly ALL of us were students (mainly younger undergrads). now look. many of us have graduated, with the rest in their latter undergrad studies and grad studies. the membership on this board has aged dramaticallay, and because of that, MANY more people have jobs and view this site at work. that's just common sense.
on the mods.. yeah most of us don't really even do much. i made a rules thread in NPR and havent really done anything else. i wouldnt care if we just had a few global mods, and i actually kind of like what Will said about warnings. we used to have those with RAR because i remember i actually got warned once. having things like that actually prevents douchebags and trolls from being pests. but either way its not up to me, and i dont care all that much. -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 3 2006, 03:42 PM
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![]() New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 12:39 PM) i probably shouldnt be commenting, since i honestly havent read all the damn rules of each forum (who has?). it seems mods are way too move and delete happy - and yes, this includes my girlfriend, who i got pissed at for deleting one of my posts. mods have already gotten in turf wars over other mods moving stuff in and out of their forums. hmm you never told me it pissed you off. In fact, you posted the same thing several times to cause me work, silly boy. I deleted everything to close that thread and I created another thread about the rules that could be spammed in. I only deleted at the beginning and I told people I was deleting for practice to know how. Since then, I havent touched A THING. It will continue to remain that way. NOTHING will be touched in LRAR by me. I dont care much whether NSFW pics are linked because I change my board settings to not show avatars, sigs, and pics when Im at work or visiting home. Should they be linked? yeah but dont bitch if you are at work and browsing it. just change the settings. Low's threads: leave them alone if they are in entertainment or off topic and there is no source. I cant stand his threads so I dont read them...as simple as that. This post has been edited by Jessica: Mar 3 2006, 03:44 PM |
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Mar 3 2006, 04:08 PM
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maybe if everyone knew what was in the dev/null forum:
21 TTULow2 2 Will 1 koreanp1e 1 JRock 1 Dogmeat 1 nickluto I can kind of see where the problem lies. and as far as the B/S/T forum goes, all of done is remove comments that don't have to do with the product being sold. -------------------- Don't sweat the petty, pet the sweaty.
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Mar 3 2006, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Mar 3 2006, 04:08 PM) maybe if everyone knew what was in the dev/null forum: 21 TTULow2 2 Will 1 koreanp1e 1 JRock 1 Dogmeat 1 nickluto I can kind of see where the problem lies. and as far as the B/S/T forum goes, all of done is remove comments that don't have to do with the product being sold. shit. i have a lot of catching up to do. -------------------- ![]() A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. |
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Mar 3 2006, 04:48 PM
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![]() fuck you! Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: 22-February 06 From: fuck you! Member No.: 19 |
QUOTE (cmac @ Mar 3 2006, 04:08 PM) maybe if everyone knew what was in the dev/null forum: 21 TTULow2 2 Will 1 koreanp1e 1 JRock 1 Dogmeat 1 nickluto I can kind of see where the problem lies. and as far as the B/S/T forum goes, all of done is remove comments that don't have to do with the product being sold. which two threads of mine? i know the joke thread about pro sports rules. glad to see no one has a sense of humor. what is the other one? -------------------- only here to talk sports occationally
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Mar 3 2006, 05:19 PM
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Mar 3 2006, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 03:48 PM) which two threads of mine? i know the joke thread about pro sports rules. glad to see no one has a sense of humor. what is the other one? The other one was split off from somebody's rules thread (maybe Jessica's?). It shows up as being "your" thread because the first post split off was yours. -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (cmac @ Mar 3 2006, 04:08 PM) maybe if everyone knew what was in the dev/null forum: 21 TTULow2 2 Will 1 koreanp1e 1 JRock 1 Dogmeat 1 nickluto I can kind of see where the problem lies. and as far as the B/S/T forum goes, all of done is remove comments that don't have to do with the product being sold. I guess if I try to recap what TTULow's deleted news article says it gets deleted? I sited him as my source, so what's wrong with that? And if nobody saw the thread I'm talking about, he posted a news article about Three 6 Mafia performing on the Academy Awards Sunday night and at the bottom it said "Source: The internet" It was great so when I went to compliment him on his source it wouldn't let me post because it was already deleted. -------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 06:22 PM
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people bitch if you don't mod, and they bitch when you do, so who gives a shit anymore what the members think because you assbags can't make up your mind
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Mar 3 2006, 06:31 PM
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![]() Retired Funk-bringer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,656 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 14 |
It seems to me that most of the people bitching about the mods seem to be upset that they aren't mods themselves. If you actually look at the amount of modding going on, with the exception of TTULow2's threads, it's next to none. I know I've done nothing but pin topics in the computes section, the only place I have authority. Same goes (i'm sure) for the health/fitness, LRAR, Academics, Sports, Local/Campus Events, Pro sports doesn't even HAVE a mod... so if you look at it, really the only mods that matter are the 3 global mods (not an unreasonable number) and the off-topic, News, and entertainment mods. (3 more mods, 1 per forum to assist when a Global mod isn't around.)
so really you have like 3 global mods, not unreasonable, and 3 regular mods that typically have anything to do. I hardly think that's unreasonable. Quit whining. edit: also, having individual forum mods makes it easier on the global mods because the global mods don't have to read EVERY post made on the entire forum to check them, it's a lot easier for the local mods to just read the new posts in their own forums. This post has been edited by zetec: Mar 3 2006, 06:44 PM -------------------- WAIT. I'm not finished.
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Mar 3 2006, 06:38 PM
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Mar 3 2006, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (zetec @ Mar 3 2006, 06:31 PM) edit: also, having individual forum mods makes it easier on the global mods because the global mods don't have to read EVERY post made on the entire forum to check them, it's a lot easier for the local mods to just read the new posts in their own forums. Silly me, I thought that's what the "report" button was for on every post. -------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 3 2006, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 3 2006, 06:15 PM) Silly me, I thought that's what the "report" button was for on every post. In my time as a mod and admin (about 2 years total), I've probably only seen 2 "reported" posts. Sure, if we hyped the report button, people MIGHT use it, but I dunno. Yeah, Techsans has more mods than it needs. But if 1) they don't abuse their power and 2) there aren't power struggles as a result, does it really matter? Most of that which happened in the first few days of people being mods has gotten ironed out, either behind the scenes or otherwise. This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Mar 3 2006, 08:00 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2006, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 07:59 PM) In my time as a mod and admin (about 2 years total), I've probably only seen 2 "reported" posts. Sure, if we hyped the report button, people MIGHT use it, but I dunno. Yeah, Techsans has more mods than it needs. But if 1) they don't abuse their power and 2) there aren't power struggles as a result, does it really matter? Most of that which happened in the first few days of people being mods has gotten ironed out, either behind the scenes or otherwise. i reported your post. it offended me. </sarcasm> -------------------- Don't sweat the petty, pet the sweaty.
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Mar 4 2006, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (zetec @ Mar 3 2006, 06:31 PM) It seems to me that most of the people bitching about the mods seem to be upset that they aren't mods themselves. If you actually look at the amount of modding going on, with the exception of TTULow2's threads, it's next to none. I know I've done nothing but pin topics in the computes section, the only place I have authority. Same goes (i'm sure) for the health/fitness, LRAR, Academics, Sports, Local/Campus Events, Pro sports doesn't even HAVE a mod... so if you look at it, really the only mods that matter are the 3 global mods (not an unreasonable number) and the off-topic, News, and entertainment mods. (3 more mods, 1 per forum to assist when a Global mod isn't around.) so really you have like 3 global mods, not unreasonable, and 3 regular mods that typically have anything to do. I hardly think that's unreasonable. Quit whining. edit: also, having individual forum mods makes it easier on the global mods because the global mods don't have to read EVERY post made on the entire forum to check them, it's a lot easier for the local mods to just read the new posts in their own forums. of all the posters here, i think you are the biggest faggot. -------------------- ![]() A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. |
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Mar 4 2006, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 3 2006, 07:59 PM) In my time as a mod and admin (about 2 years total), I've probably only seen 2 "reported" posts. Sure, if we hyped the report button, people MIGHT use it, but I dunno. Yeah, Techsans has more mods than it needs. But if 1) they don't abuse their power and 2) there aren't power struggles as a result, does it really matter? Most of that which happened in the first few days of people being mods has gotten ironed out, either behind the scenes or otherwise. i think it was gay when every moderator came out with their own "RULES" thread. you guys are fucking idiots. its the goddamn internet, if you need to "claim" this space to define your life, you need to get laid. eat shit and suck my dick ! -------------------- ![]() A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. |
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Mar 4 2006, 01:28 AM
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i think we were told to create our own rules
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Mar 4 2006, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE (nickluto @ Mar 4 2006, 12:05 AM) i think it was gay when every moderator came out with their own "RULES" thread. you guys are fucking idiots. its the goddamn internet, if you need to "claim" this space to define your life, you need to get laid. eat shit and suck my dick ! ... Rules were posted as kind of a universal "don't do this on the boards or in this forum" thing. You seem to be taking the internet way to seriously. I recommend a:
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Mar 4 2006, 01:51 AM
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![]() Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Mar 4 2006, 01:28 AM) i think we were told to create our own rules are you sure about that? I was never told, so I didn't, no reason to |
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Mar 4 2006, 03:08 AM
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![]() Retired Funk-bringer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,656 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 14 |
QUOTE (nickluto @ Mar 4 2006, 12:04 AM) of all the posters here, i think you are the biggest faggot. wow, just wow. grow up, buttercup. -------------------- WAIT. I'm not finished.
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Mar 4 2006, 03:11 AM
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![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2,558 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Seoul, South Korea Member No.: 28 |
QUOTE (moebary @ Mar 4 2006, 01:51 AM) are you sure about that? I was never told, so I didn't, no reason to Lance said: QUOTE each forum mod can post some rules for your forum so most people just did. http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=18 This post has been edited by jonathan83: Mar 4 2006, 03:12 AM -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 4 2006, 03:12 AM
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![]() Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Mar 4 2006, 03:11 AM) ah, optional |
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Mar 4 2006, 03:13 AM
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yeah, but it saved trouble/time in case people were like wtf the mods need to do something.
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Mar 4 2006, 03:15 AM
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![]() Retired Funk-bringer Group: Moderators Posts: 2,656 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 14 |
QUOTE (nickluto @ Mar 4 2006, 12:05 AM) i think it was gay when every moderator came out with their own "RULES" thread. you guys are fucking idiots. its the goddamn internet, if you need to "claim" this space to define your life, you need to get laid. eat shit and suck my dick ! last i checked, you're posting here, so you're no better then the rest of us. quit whining like a three-year old and move on. -------------------- WAIT. I'm not finished.
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Mar 4 2006, 05:16 AM
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![]() GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Throwdown @ Mar 3 2006, 12:39 PM) i probably shouldnt be commenting, since i honestly havent read all the damn rules of each forum (who has?). it seems mods are way too move and delete happy - and yes, this includes my girlfriend, who i got pissed at for deleting one of my posts. mods have already gotten in turf wars over other mods moving stuff in and out of their forums. thats because the mods are ALL female. and we know how territorial females are -------------------- |
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Mar 4 2006, 09:34 AM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
just from past experience (on other boards and on this one in particular) its always been good to have fewer mods that an excessive number. and for just over 100 posters less than half who post regularly there shouldnt be 'turf wars' or even discussions like this that hold any merit (yes people are always going to bitch but theres a valid point somewhere in this one)
and yeah giving modship to anyone who asked for it - way to go lance i dont know if a purgatory exists on this new board or not but .... thats a side discussion i just hope when the mods do mod they state when where and why in the post that has been editied and dont ninja it -------------------- Little monkeys making money
Naked monkey looking funny Mighty males are strong and free Female monkey, not so lucky Rocking monkeys, funky monkeys Monkeys sticking other monkeys Monkeys wrong or monkeys right Mostly flexing monkey might |
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Mar 4 2006, 09:44 AM
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![]() Oh baby bring me down Group: Agents Posts: 4,115 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Way out yonder Member No.: 68 |
Can we have some voting system where a mod marks a thread to be put into dev/null and there is an hour period where anyone can vote on if the thread is to be removed or not. I do not think the boards can do that, but is there a way to put in your own code?
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Mar 4 2006, 09:50 AM
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![]() ROCKPACALYPSE NOW Group: Members Posts: 1,519 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 13 |
It took two weeks for people to overcomplicate a fucking messageboard with only so many active posters.
I vote everybody turns in their "mod" duties, and perhaps a silent voting system for 2 or 3 global mods to just keep the general rules in place (nsfw pics all over etc). Or just keep the ones we have now. Whatever. -------------------- QUOTE (Lance) now we have some dude from argentina wondering how to fuck dogmeat |
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Mar 4 2006, 11:47 AM
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![]() Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
Everyone keeps complaining about too many mods even though only about 3 or 4 have really done anything, and I don't think the things they've done have been over the top.
Fuck people, find something else to bitch about. How about the weather, or just the dust, or lubbock traffic, or the tuition hike for next year. |
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Mar 4 2006, 11:49 AM
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![]() New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
or the dike freeway
AKA Marsha Sharp freeway its fucking up all the major roads in central lubbock |
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Mar 4 2006, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Mar 4 2006, 11:49 AM) or the dike freeway AKA Marsha Sharp freeway its fucking up all the major roads in central lubbock yes! and there's already a sign up for it on the loop (at least that's what I heard) it won't be ready for another 10 years and they're already putting up the damn signs! |
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Mar 4 2006, 11:55 AM
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4th and university- a mess
19th between indiana and quaker- wtf..@(*$^(@ Mess slide near brownfield (last I checked) was down to one lane- UGH mess quaker between like 17th and 25th- the worst mess in my opinion Im sure there are other areas of town that are a complete fucking mess due to this poor idea for a freeway. and why they are naming it after a lesbian, ill never understand. I cant believe the old people of lubbock are letting them do this. I figured there would be a bigger controversy over the name of the freeway |
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Mar 4 2006, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (moebary @ Mar 4 2006, 11:51 AM) yes! and there's already a sign up for it on the loop (at least that's what I heard) it won't be ready for another 10 years and they're already putting up the damn signs! yep there is a sign on the west loop if you are coming from the south |
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Mar 4 2006, 12:24 PM
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OMG, MODS DO SOMETHING THESE PEOPLE ARE DERAILING MY THREAD AND NEED TO HAVE THEIR POSTS MOVED OR DELETED OR MERGED WITH ASDF!!!!!
-------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 4 2006, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 4 2006, 12:24 PM) OMG, MODS DO SOMETHING THESE PEOPLE ARE DERAILING MY THREAD AND NEED TO HAVE THEIR POSTS MOVED OR DELETED OR MERGED WITH ASDF!!!!! NO!! DERAILMENT!! NOW!!! |
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SERENITY NOW!!!!!
SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!! -------------------- LANCE IS PRO-CENSORSHIP! HE IS CENSORING MY LOVE FOR THE LORD!
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Mar 4 2006, 01:45 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
Wait. She's a lesbian?
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Mar 4 2006, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Mar 4 2006, 01:45 PM) Wait. She's a lesbian? are you serious |
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Mar 4 2006, 01:47 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Mar 4 2006, 01:46 PM) are you serious Are yall? -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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Mar 4 2006, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (JRockTTU @ Mar 4 2006, 12:30 PM) SERENITY NOW!!!!! SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!! how's the peterson account ? -------------------- QUOTE (Lance) now we have some dude from argentina wondering how to fuck dogmeat |
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Mar 4 2006, 04:43 PM
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just for future reference, it's dyke, not dike.
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Mar 4 2006, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Mar 4 2006, 01:45 PM) Wait. She's a lesbian? yes. she's lesbian. as well as erin grant (dated plenette pierson) and i'm sure others. then again, this IS womens basketball. not a huge shocker. -------------------- ![]() |
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