Vista RC1 Options

[impala454]

Just installed this tonight, pretty sweet... the flip3d task switching is freakin tight as hell. last time I installed it was beta 1, and this version seems way more polished.

also didn't realize they have their own new document format... "xps" (similiar to pdf). don't know much about it, but they have a 300 page document full of color photos & tables and the entire document is like 12 MB

[Seeker]

i tried it, wasn't impressed, no reason for me to upgrade to it from xp

[Hartmann]

Way more polished, still uses too much memory. I was at near 100% with only a few applications open. Quite frankly, it looks like OS X with transparency.

[impala454]

hmm i haven't really paid much attention to the memory usage yet but i'll see when i get home.

i'm not exactly sure how this:


looks like this:

[Hartmann]

Have you actually used OS X? Everything is pretty much the same. The animations, the way that information is presented, etc.

Oh, you have an analog clock in the top right. Why?! What's the point?!

Also, I love that one screenshot is bigger than the other Automatic degradation... Also, the windows that are open are presenting two different types of information. Instead of having Spotlight results open in the Mac, open the system preferences.

Oh, and the colors are opposite, covenient. White vs. Black.

Go use OS X (a lot) and then use Vista, then get back to me. Looking at a screenshot does nothing.

[impala454]

Looking at a screenshot does nothing.

uhh... except show that they don't look alike? unless I'm mistaken that the first pic is OSX.

[Mommy]

it doesnt look like OS X to me....it looks like a fancier version of XP. I want it

[Hartmann]

uhh... except show that they don't look alike?  unless I'm mistaken that the first pic is OSX.

At first glance... Now use both of them and you'll see that their interfaces are very similiar (minus the os x buttons being on the top left)

The animations, the fades, etc. all are pretty much exact replicas. Again, for someone who hasn't used OS X, you seem to make a lot of assumptions with a simple screenshot. In that case, Linux and WinXP are exact opposites because the taskbar in Linux is thicker.

[impala454]

Again, for someone who hasn't used OS X, you seem to make a lot of assumptions with a simple screenshot.

so... when i sit down at a mac, it doesn't look like the one in the screenshot?

you're saying stuff like "well the animations are the same, blah blah", but how the hell else do you animate a window coming up onto the screen? what were you expecting in vista? an animated dog to run up and take a shit on the screen to make the window come back up?

there's also a lot of very nicely redone interfaces in there. there's an interface that lets you see your running process, it organizes them by company, shows both the task and associated process id(s), whether they make any outside connections, etc. there's also a similiar interface for any open/waiting/etc connections and all associated info (local IP, remote IP, protocol, etc), which also links to/from the process interface. the flip3d shit is really cool too.

as for the sidebar thing w/the clock, i actually left it up there and removed the clock from my taskbar. i don't know if i'll keep the sidebar thing but i stuck a calendar & weather "gadget" in there for now to mess with it. there's some ms document i was going through with all the specific changes between xp & vista. i'll pick some stuff out of it and take some more screenshots at home.

[Hartmann]

so... when i sit down at a mac, it doesn't look like the one in the screenshot?

you're saying stuff like "well the animations are the same, blah blah", but how the hell else do you animate a window coming up onto the screen?  what were you expecting in vista?  an animated dog to run up and take a shit on the screen to make the window come back up?

there's also a lot of very nicely redone interfaces in there.  there's an interface that lets you see your running process, it organizes them by company, shows both the task and associated process id(s), whether they make any outside connections, etc.  there's also a similiar interface for any open/waiting/etc connections and all associated info (local IP, remote IP, protocol, etc), which also links to/from the process interface.  the flip3d shit is really cool too.

as for the sidebar thing w/the clock, i actually left it up there and removed the clock from my taskbar.  i don't know if i'll keep the sidebar thing but i stuck a calendar & weather "gadget" in there for now to mess with it.  there's some ms document i was going through with all the specific changes between xp & vista.  i'll pick some stuff out of it and take some more screenshots at home.

The screenshot looks the same, but you're using that and that alone to make the assumption that just because that looks a little different (different colors, different bars) everything is different.

They have the same fade and drop down to the taskbar, just like OS X. They could have left it completely out, could they not have? WinXP doesn't have animated minimize and maximize or close.

Also, the "Show All current running programs" is an OS X clone to the T.

The running processes thing, yeah, I have that in OS X. I can even see the contents of the packets if it's connected to the net.

Flip3D eh? Yeah, been done. It was available in Linux oh, I dunno, 4 years ago. They have not done anything innovative with Vista, just "improved" existing technology. Hell, even MS has admitted to not being innovators.

My main problem though, for the "cool" features the memory takes a hit. I would not be posting anything about the look if these neat things that are already present in OS X didn't eat up so much memory in Vista. If they fix that, then a lot of current WinXP users will upgrade.

I wasn't trying to make this a "my OS is better" thread, I was just pointing out what was already known, Microsoft is not a company of innovation, just repackaging and slight improvement for their architecture. I mean, they tried to innovate with WinFS and that went down in flames when they realized a database driven file system was the dumbest thing ever.

As an aside, I just feel like MS is building cool for the sake of building it, not functionality. WinXP is functional, it does its job and that's it. It seems like they are adding these new "features" into Vista just for the hell of it. I'm sorry but animations aren't going to help my grandparents write an e-mail. And don't give me the "Well Apple does it, blah blah blah", that's because Apple's target market is different. MS is targeting the everyday user and business. They don't care about these niche markets of developers and designers.

[impala454]

The screenshot looks the same, but you're using that and that alone to make the assumption that just because that looks a little different (different colors, different bars)  everything is different.

so... you're saying it's wrong to look at pictures of two things to determine if they look different? you're losin me here man.

They have the same fade and drop down to the taskbar, just like OS X. They could have left it completely out, could they not have?

again, how is this an original idea? it's only logical that if you have a small item, and make it big, it will fade exactly like it does. it's not some revolutionary OS functionality geezus.

Also, the "Show All current running programs" is an OS X clone to the T.

The running processes thing, yeah, I have that in OS X. I can even see the contents of the packets if it's connected to the net.

again, how is this original? showing more detail of processes was the next logical step.

Flip3D eh? Yeah, been done. It was available in Linux oh, I dunno, 4 years ago. They have not done anything innovative with Vista, just "improved" existing technology. Hell, even MS has admitted to not being innovators.

who gives a shit if it's been done in linux? i don't use linux, nor did i claim anything was innovative. all i said is that it was cool.

My main problem though, for the "cool" features the memory takes a hit. I would not be posting anything about the look if these neat things that are already present in OS X didn't eat up so much memory in Vista. If they fix that, then a lot of current WinXP users will upgrade.

as much as a microsoft follower as you seem to be, i'm sure you tested vista a ton to determine this. like i said before i'll check out my memory usage when i get home... but my machine ran it like a champ.

I wasn't trying to make this a "my OS is better" thread,

could have fooled me. i make a post about some neat things i see in vista and you post about how your OS supposedly already has them and then go on to rant about microsoft.

I was just pointing out what was already known, Microsoft is not a company of innovation, just repackaging and slight improvement for their architecture.

that's great, thank you for the observation. so are you implying that some other company is innovative or does not simply "slightly improve and repackage" their software?

As an aside, I just feel like MS is building cool for the sake of building it, not functionality.

and in this same post you're defending Apple??!?! LOL! I actually think it's great that MS is heading more towards the interesting gfx and warm fuzzies and such. I like the fact that my 3d card will get a little use other than gaming.

WinXP is functional, it does its job and that's it. It seems like they are adding these new "features" into Vista just for the hell of it. I'm sorry but animations aren't going to help my grandparents write an e-mail. And don't give me the "Well Apple does it, blah blah blah", that's because Apple's target market is different. MS is targeting the everyday user and business. They don't care about these niche markets of developers and designers.

How is Apple's OSX target market different than Microsoft's Vista target market?

[Hartmann]

I am going home from work but I'll reply when I get back. Basically, you're saying that the Microsoft features are cool and I'm saying they already exist, so yeah, they may be cool, but they're nothing new.

By looks in my original statement (way up top) my meaning was that the features (the fade, etc.) look exactly the same. I never meant the desktops just alike.

And yes, I've used Vista since back when it was one of the 50-- Longhorn builds.

And yes, there are innovative companies.

More when I get home. Again, I am not trying to defend Apple. I have my own problems with their OS. My whole point was to point out that Vista is nothing special.

[impala454]

By looks in my original statement (way up top) my meaning was that the features (the fade, etc.) look exactly the same.

right, so let me ask this question a third time. how else would you expect a window fade down/up to work/look?

And yes, I've used Vista since back when it was one of the 50-- Longhorn builds.

sweet so now you're comparing beta OSs to complete off the shelf ones..

Again, I am not trying to defend Apple. I have my own problems with their OS.

Well of course you wouldn't be defending them, because I don't believe anyone in this thread has said anything bad about Apple.

My whole point was to point out that Vista is nothing special.

Any particular reason you felt compelled to make this point?

[Spectatrix]

Jesus H. Christ, Impala, chill out. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

[Rocky]

The things that matter in Vista, have nothing to do with the eye candy.

[Hartmann]

The things that matter in Vista, have nothing to do with the eye candy.

Exactly. Thank you.

How would I do the minimize/maximize thing? I answered that a long time ago; I'd do it just like they're doing it in XP, leaving the animation out.

You asked me if I have been using Vista for long, I answered you. What the hell is your problem? I've seen it go from horrible memory usage, to decent, back to horrible, to good, to where it is now, which is decent but still not stellar.

I felt compelled to make the statement I did because it's exactly what you do whenever someone posts something for OS X or Linux or anything. You always come back with "eh, it sucks".



P.S. - There is one thing that MS has been innovative about, VS.NET 2005.

[Seeker]

all i see in this thread is:

<nerds aruging> <nerds arguing> <nerds arguing>
<nerds arguing some more>

[Hartmann]

all i see in this thread is:

<nerds aruging> <nerds arguing> <nerds arguing>
<nerds arguing some more>

You know it turns you on...

[impala454]

Jesus H. Christ, Impala, chill out. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

shit don't look at me i didn't start the bickering

[impala454]

I felt compelled to make the statement I did because it's exactly what you do whenever someone posts something for OS X or Linux or anything. You always come back with "eh, it sucks".

so then you were turning it into a "my OS is better than your OS". and look closely, when I'm an asshole in a thread, it's purely retaliation. i rarely, if ever, actually start the shit. don't fucking come into a thread i start, talk shit about it, and not expect me to respond.

anyways... back on topic

i installed it last night and thought i saw some neat stuff so i figured i'd post it... here's a couple screenshots i took. oh and btw this is windows vista rc1, not OSX (just thought i'd clarify as they apparently look exactly alike ).

desktop (full size here)


here's the performance numbers with Outlook 2007 beta, Word 2007 beta, Photoshop CS2, IE7, Trillian, & the windows sidebar. Shade over a gig of swap isn't too shabby as far as i'm concerned. the OS in general runs smooth as silk (although i'll admit i have a pretty monster machine).


here's the "software explorer" in windows defender... pretty nice organization


i still have a ton of stuff to install but so far seems pretty sweet. it's still a RC and has beta ATI catalyst & beta creative audigy 2 drivers so i don't doubt there will be some hiccups. I also did a lot of tweaking on my XP box before (removing unused services, etc) so I'm sure some toying with it will be in order.

[impala454]

ah and here goes that product guide, has tons of info on the new features (both boring nerdy hardware/system stuff and the pretty warm-fuzzy stuff)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&DisplayLang=en

[Hartmann]

so then you were turning it into a "my OS is better than your OS". and look closely, when I'm an asshole in a thread, it's purely retaliation. i rarely, if ever, actually start the shit. don't fucking come into a thread i start, talk shit about it, and not expect me to respond.

Your sarcasm is lost on me. I wasn't trying to turn it into anything, was merely making a simple statement that you took as an attack. You rarely start the shit? I'm not even touching this one. Stop acting like you're an innocent bystander in this and take it for what it is, two people arguing over something stupid.

You've come into threads that multiple people have started (myself included) and "started shit". And if I do read correctly I never actually started anything. I merely stated it looks a lot like OS X and that memory usage for me was pretty bad (I don't have a beast of a machine).

I see Vista as a waste of MS resources. They could have spent the 3+ years that they sunk into it doing something with XP and building some really useful tools. VS.NET 2005 is a start and they need to stick to that path, giving people tools to make their product even better.

What I hope is that they have some installation options for people who are not technically inclined (my grandparents) or their Emachines are gonna run like crap.

[impala454]

You've come into threads that multiple people have started (myself included) and "started shit".

Let's see one. I know the boards were cleared, but I've made over 1000 posts since then... so if I'm really that bad it should be easy to find one. Your post had a legitimate opinion, and I in turn asked you why it was you felt that way. I got no problem that you started hacking at Vista, just don't get all hussy when I fire back.

And if I do read correctly I never actually started anything. I merely stated it looks a lot like OS X and that memory usage for me was pretty bad (I don't have a beast of a machine).

And all I did was merely post two pics and ask how they look alike. I took what you said about the memory stuff as an interesting thing to check out, as I hadn't looked at it. Then you proceeded to start hacking apart the vista pic and telling me I didn't know what I was talking about bc I haven't used OSX.

I see Vista as a waste of MS resources. They could have spent the 3+ years that they sunk into it doing something with XP and building some really useful tools.

what kind of useful tools? (legit question i'm not messin with you)

What I hope is that they have some installation options for people who are not technically inclined (my grandparents) or their Emachines are gonna run like crap.

the performance options are actually really nice. you can turn off all the fanciness and go back to the standard windows look. i'll have to try that and see how it changes the memory footprint.

[cmac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTeP_eh8XAA...related&search=

[Hartmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTeP_eh8XAA...related&search=

Never seen that before.

I like that they use "gadgets" instead of "widgets"

[impala454]

I thought it was pretty funny that Apple used "widget" even after Konfabulator did.

all of their stuff is original thinking though! Man those are creative people!

[Hartmann]

I thought it was pretty funny that Apple used "widget" even after Konfabulator did. 

all of their stuff is original thinking though!  Man those are creative people!

I don't even really use widgets... It's just easier to type in a web address for me.

Name one thing (outside of VS.NET) that is truly innovative. Spotlight, the iSight, etc. were innovative from Apple.

I just find it funny that you bring up one thing to keep this argument going. Apple never claimed that Dashboard was something that wasn't already out there or so neat that you had to have it. They put it in the release and waited to see what the reaction was.

I don't understand why you keep digging at this whole thing and then turn around accuse me of being a dick about the whole thing. You make no sense man.

[Divergent Realit...]

rofflecopter msX cheetara

[Seeker]

i still use DOS as my operating system, you'll never convince me to upgrade to one of those new-fagled fancy GUIs

[Divergent Realit...]

i still use DOS as my operating system, you'll never convince me to upgrade to one of those new-fagled fancy GUIs

[Hartmann]

i still use DOS as my operating system, you'll never convince me to upgrade to one of those new-fagled fancy GUIs

DOS is dead! Move on man!

[Mommy]

Let's see one. I know the boards were cleared, but I've made over 1000 posts since then... so if I'm really that bad it should be easy to find one.

You started attacking me without cause once...about my degree. I wasnt even talking to you.

Lately you havent bothered me and I have left you alone.

I just think that Stephan is one of the most level-headed souls on these boards. I havent read all the nerd posts in this thread. Im just basing on posting histories that he is pretty much innocent of flaming....not saying that you flamed either though.

[Mommy]

and you boys are already getting along again. wow. im a day late and a dollar short

[Seeker]

and you boys are already getting along again. wow. im a day late and a dollar short

you're a few fries short of a happy meal

[Mommy]

you're a few fries short of a happy meal

im thinking about going to mcdonalds to get french fries right now since the monopoly game is back...should i?

i mean, i have collected and won before

[Seeker]

nah that game is a rip-off, they say they print all the board pieces but i think they leave 1 or 2 out that they never print... just to get dumbasses to keep buying their shitty food

have you ever heard of anyone winning the grand prize in the mcdonald's monopoly? i haven't

[Mommy]

nah that game is a rip-off, they say they print all the board pieces but i think they leave 1 or 2 out that they never print... just to get dumbasses to keep buying their shitty food

have you ever heard of anyone winning the grand prize in the mcdonald's monopoly? i haven't

NO BUT I COLLECTED AND WON DAMMIT SO I KNOW IT CAN HAPPEN

granted, I collected Baltic and Mediterranean (sp. too lazy) so i won a monopoly 75th anniversary glass. this was like 7 years ago

[impala454]

You started attacking me without cause once...about my degree. I wasnt even talking to you.

oh blah you were bitching about your job and i made a sarcastic remark. i wasn't the only one.

[impala454]

I suppose I should just accept that there will never be a thread in this forum regarding windows that won't get insta-flamed

[Hartmann]

I suppose I should just accept that there will never be a thread in this forum regarding windows that won't get insta-flamed

Pot calling the kettle black...

[impala454]

Pot calling the kettle black...

whatever mac boy

do you have a dvd of all those neato commercials?

[Hartmann]

whatever mac boy

do you have a dvd of all those neato commercials?

ohh ouch that hurt.... Please, grow up and just learn to let things go.

I am a "Mac" boy because I question other operating systems? Wouldn't that make me a Linux boy (my OS of choice)? Geez man...

[impala454]

ohh ouch that hurt.... Please, grow up and just learn to let things go.

I am a "Mac" boy because I question other operating systems? Wouldn't that make me a Linux boy (my OS of choice)? Geez man...

you're a mac boy because you seemed incredibly threatened and defensive by just a simple post about what a person thinks of the new windows OS.

[Epic]

fuck you guys, 3.1 is where its at

[Mommy]

I like Windows ME. The memory leak made me cream my panties.

[impala454]

this was in a mag i get today http://www.freedos.org/

[Mommy]

oh blah you were bitching about your job and i made a sarcastic remark. i wasn't the only one.

[pebkac]

I like Windows ME. The memory leak made me cream my panties.

Remind me never to be around when you're using Windows ME.

[Mommy]

Remind me never to be around when you're using Windows ME.

If Duane was using it and it had the same effect on him, you know you would want to be there, pretty boy

[Spectatrix]

whatever mac boy

do you have a dvd of all those neato commercials?

No no, BEN was Mac Boy.

[Hartmann]

And just for the record, I don't have a DVD of those commercials... I found the first couple funny, now I just find them arrogant.

[Mommy]

yeah, theyre pretty gay

[prefix]

Yea those commercials are fucking mega gay.




Side note, impala you're gay you get all riled up like a dog that someone's shaking. So now that you're all pissy again insert your stupid retort here
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Ã
¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ
¢
†“↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓â
â
€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â
€
 â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œ

[Mommy]

Yea those commercials are fucking mega gay.




Side note, impala you're gay you get all riled up like a dog that someone's shaking. So now that you're all pissy again insert your stupid retort here
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
Ã
¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ
¢
†“↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓â
â
€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â
€
 â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œÃ¢â€ â€œ

whoah...how did you make arrows....is it an alt function?

[cmac]

i'm a mac MAN!!

[pebkac]

yeah, theyre pretty gay

I can only hope the Mac guy is gay.

[GOB]

I can only hope the Mac guy is gay.

that hideous self-loathing retard from dodgeball?

or the pc guy in the mac commercials?




both for the lose!

[impala454]

Side note, impala you're gay you get all riled up like a dog that someone's shaking.

while i'm not gay, i will admit i get riled up about stuff very easily

[Divergent Realit...]

whoah...how did you make arrows....is it an alt function?

¿¿¿¿

[Epic]

all i need to know is can it import my minesweeper scores or will i have to do it again?

[impala454]

all i need to know is can it import my minesweeper scores or will i have to do it again?

heheh i dont see an import, but i did just open it up and haha they gave it a little graphical and sound help

[zetec]

it doesnt look like OS X to me....it looks like a fancier version of XP. I want it

no you don't

[zetec]

I can only hope the Mac guy is gay.

nope, but he does use a pc.


ironically, the PC guy is a (literally) genius, as well as an author, and has been using macs for years.




strange but true

[Mommy]

no you don't

yes i do

[Hartmann]

This is something I'll be anxious to see play out... Not sure how it's going to roll over with customers. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=148

[impala454]

well they've had the activation crap for a while now... doesn't it give you some certain amount of time to activate, then windows won't even boot? i'm not really sure how the activation stuff currently works when you don't have a legal copy. i've always had a volume license copy.

[slick]

it does look like osx


who wouldvd thought

[pysex]

I suppose I should just accept that there will never be a thread in this forum regarding windows that won't get insta-flamed

Flaming is inevitable.


Because people get defensive over an operating system they had no hand in producing. They just use it for techsans and porn.



Windows: Compatibility

Apple: Media


END OF STORY




(p.s. apple was the first pc...so TECHNICALLY windows is a copy)

[slick]

ctrl+c
*new folder*
ctrl+v
*print*

[impala454]

(p.s. apple was the first pc...so TECHNICALLY windows is a copy)

by that logic, ford was the first production car, everything else is a copy

[Final_Cut_Guru]

I saw it at NAB, I was not impreseed. Also the next gen of Office is almost an exact copy of the Mac version in terms of interface. Flip 3d is a poor copy of Expose, and that dashboard knock off is a good laugh. Microsoft should invest more resources in Xbox and MS Office. Then again this propbably what you would expect me to say.

Oh and I kid you not, as my friend I went with agreed, there was a foul smell in the air around the Microsoft booth.

One more thing, I am surprised that microsoft has decided to create an OS that requires the newer hardware on the market, what happened to legecy compatiblity? Still Games and Multimedia are going to remain the driving force in computer innovation.

[GOB]

I saw it at NAB, I was not impreseed. Also the next gen of Office is almost an exact copy of the Mac version in terms of interface. Flip 3d is a poor copy of Expose, and that dashboard knock off is a good laugh. Microsoft should invest more resources in Xbox and MS Office. Then again this propbably what you would expect me to say.

Oh and I kid you not, as my friend I went with agreed, there was a foul smell in the air around the Microsoft booth.

One more thing, I am surprised that microsoft has decided to create an OS that requires the newer hardware on the market, what happened to legecy compatiblity? Still Games and Multimedia are going to remain the driving force in computer innovation.

haha, wow, you're back less than 3 hours and you've already started up again.

i can say with almost 100% certainty that the entire convention center had a foul smell of cheetos, sweat, and mountain dew.

[John6.7]

Mac OS X: It looks nice.
Windows XP/Vista: Looks crapy, but can tweak it to be better than OS X.

Why Windows is still #1: Gaming

[impala454]

Also the next gen of Office is almost an exact copy of the Mac version in terms of interface.

Why would you expect Microsoft Office for Mac to look any different than Microsoft Office for the PC? I have the 2007 beta running on Vista RC1 x64 and it's pretty neat imho. The new layout makes a lot of sense.

Flip 3d is a poor copy of Expose,

Why is everything a copy with you guys? It's a little task switcher that shows the windows in 3d... how is that a copy of anything? Maybe it's a "poor copy" because it's not a copy. The whole aero interface was designed with the idea that they wanted to use more of the big gfx power that people's computers have now. Showing windows & animations in different ways only makes sense.

and that dashboard knock off is a good laugh.

What about it was a good laugh?

[Final_Cut_Guru]

Ok... First of all, I am not as much of a Mac Nut as I used to be, I have a new thing I am crazy about, and I know at least one person on this board who knows what that is. Since he is the only one on these boards that I am aware is familier with this topic, I see no point discussing it with the rest of you right now.

Second, John, windows being far more customizeable is a laugh. Maybe in terms of the GUI it is, but for system operation it is not. It is called Terminal, learn it, love it.

impala454, do you even know what Expose is? Even the equivalent in Linux is far better than flip 3d, which breaks usibility by not allowing you to see all the windows at once in various layouts. Also the Vista knock-off of dashboard is a laugh cause it wastes desktop space an memory. You don't need widgets always in your face, just when you need the information.

Oh, one more thing, I look forward to seeing the new BSOD in Vista. The Mac equivilant of BSOD is so rare, it is actually worth taking a picture of.

lamont's lament, did you even go to NAB?

But, yeah it would be nice if there were more games for Mac. Those that do exist actually run quite well though. When I was at the UP, we would often have LAN parties, and the machine that hosted was a G5 Power Mac.

[impala454]

impala454, do you even know what Expose is? Even the equivalent in Linux is far better than flip 3d, which breaks usibility by not allowing you to see all the windows at once in various layouts. Also the Vista knock-off of dashboard is a laugh cause it wastes desktop space an memory. You don't need widgets always in your face, just when you need the information.

Well if you go back and look what I said, you'll notice I didn't claim flip 3d is any better, I asked why you think it's a "copy". Obviously you feel that flip 3d is completely different than the Mac one, which is fine, I'm sure it is, which is why it's not a copy.

And maybe you'd like to explain this miraculous Dashboard that doesn't use memory. That would be a neat trick by any OS.

It's hilarious to me how defensive you OSX freaks are getting when people start talking about Vista.

[Hartmann]

It's hilarious to me how defensive you OSX freaks are getting when people start talking about Vista.

I don't have anything else to say in this thread except this...

It amazes me how much you bash other operating systems, yet from what I've read, Windows is the only thing you really ever use. Granted, I'm guessing you've touched Linux a few times for CS stuff and maybe you've looked at OS X a little, but it really doesn't sound like you have actually taken the time or money to purchase one of the machines to do a little research of your own.

To me it's all about preference and getting the job done. If a Windows box will get a particular job done better than a Linux box, then that's what I am going to use (talking about development here). And the vice versa is also true.

[woody]

[Hartmann]

What can I say, a horse is never dead enough..

[John6.7]

John, windows being far more customizeable is a laugh. Maybe in terms of the GUI it is, but for system operation it is not. It is called Terminal, learn it, love it.

Yes, I mean the GUI. Most people use the GUI.

I'm cs, I know the terminal. It's called putty to my unix box.

[Spectatrix]

Ok... First of all, I am not as much of a Mac Nut as I used to be, I have a new thing I am crazy about, and I know at least one person on this board who knows what that is. Since he is the only one on these boards that I am aware is familier with this topic, I see no point discussing it with the rest of you right now.

You mean Ghibli films?

[impala454]

I don't have anything else to say in this thread except this...

It amazes me how much you bash other operating systems, yet from what I've read, Windows is the only thing you really ever use. Granted, I'm guessing you've touched Linux a few times for CS stuff and maybe you've looked at OS X a little, but it really doesn't sound like you have actually taken the time or money to purchase one of the machines to do a little research of your own.

that's just it though I don't bash other OSs at all. it's you guys who come into any thread about windows or anything microsoft and talk about how much "blahblahOS" is better and how much windows copies it. it honestly is getting old. i'll admit I used to be a jackass when someone started threads about linux or mac, but it's been a very long time.

i've used plenty of linux for development at work, and can't stand it. i'll take the .net 05 debugger any day. as far as home use, i spent quite a bit of time over several years messing with linux and found a lot of things I liked, and some I didn't. The main reason I don't use it as a primary desktop is it's just too damn much to go through to get the thing set up, hardware drivers are occasionally hard to come by (although I'm sure it's gotten better), and I can't play my games on it. i've reinstalled my system a couple times from vista beta 2 to vista rc1 x86 to vista rc1 x64, and once the download is done then to vista rc2 x64, and wow the installation is quick. from boot off the dvd to ready to use in about 30 minutes, with almost no user input.

as far as OSX goes, I honestly would love to get a copy of it and check it out some day. I even went to their site the other day to see how I could get it and try it, but all I find is this page: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebO...nplm=MA453Z%2FA which tells me I have to have a PowerPC G5, G4, or G3 processor. I'm not about to go out and buy a Mac computer just to try out their OS. If there is some way to try it out on my PC I'd love to try it (I thought they supported PCs now?).

[pebkac]

There's ways to get OS X to run on a windows comp, but they're not very reliable from what I hear. That and Apple doesn't support them.

[impala454]

bah... are they going to with the new one?

[pebkac]

Probably not. If not for OS X, Apple would be just another computer manufacturer.

[John6.7]

Probably not. If not for OS X, Apple would be just another computer manufacturer.

So? I would prob get OS X for my old PC if I could. I'm not paying all that money for an apple computer.

[Hartmann]

that's just it though I don't bash other OSs at all. it's you guys who come into any thread about windows or anything microsoft and talk about how much "blahblahOS" is better and how much windows copies it. it honestly is getting old. i'll admit I used to be a jackass when someone started threads about linux or mac, but it's been a very long time.

Now you're just pointing fingers. I'll be the first to admit that I have attacked Windows, but I've also had my Mac qualms. However, you still seem to almost troll OS X threads just to say "how's that any different than blah, blah, blah" just to start something.

I try not to come into Windows threads to bash stuff, especially if it's an interesting thread. However, when people state "oh this is the coolest thing ever and is going to be awesome" for anything, when it's obviously not, then I'll say something.

I am sorry to single you out in this whole thing but it always seems that we get to this point in the conversation and you bring out the "but it's you guys". Let's just drop it and say that from now on when anyone has a valid question or point they should post it, but if it's just a "well that sucks" type of post then it doesn't need to be there.

Zetec, that cool with you? I'd like to see something like that implemented.

[impala454]

Now you're just pointing fingers. I'll be the first to admit that I have attacked Windows, but I've also had my Mac qualms. However, you still seem to almost troll OS X threads just to say "how's that any different than blah, blah, blah" just to start something.

I try not to come into Windows threads to bash stuff, especially if it's an interesting thread. However, when people state "oh this is the coolest thing ever and is going to be awesome" for anything, when it's obviously not, then I'll say something.

I am sorry to single you out in this whole thing but it always seems that we get to this point in the conversation and you bring out the "but it's you guys". Let's just drop it and say that from now on when anyone has a valid question or point they should post it, but if it's just a "well that sucks" type of post then it doesn't need to be there.

Zetec, that cool with you? I'd like to see something like that implemented.

I'm pointing it out that several of you guys do this because it seems like it happens in every damn thread that starts discussing a microsoft product. I've got no problem with people objecting, but it'd at least be nice to have an intelligent discussion as to the actual facts & differences. As far as you guys LAMP/Mac stuff or whatever, I haven't been derogatory about any of that for a long time, although I guess it takes a while to shed a reputation.

and hehe dude... the

when people state "oh this is the coolest thing ever and is going to be awesome" for anything, when it's obviously not, then I'll say something.

got a pretty good laugh out of me... not bein mean, it's just that i guess "cool" is complete opinion... that is, unless you're the master of what is cool and what's obviously not

i don't even mind if people get all pissed and go "OMGZ THAT POS SUCKS ASS" as long as they provide some explanation why they feel that way

[Mommy]

its obvious that Stephan can in fact (and has) have an itelligent conversation discussing OS's. I know first hand that several go in and talk shit about Mac including myself AND Impala. Microsoft does not gain amnesty just because Impala wants to talk "intelligently" on the matter. Its apparent that Stephan has told you in multiple threads to quit trolling him and to back off. He can't even give an honest opinion without you insulting him. Get a life and realize that there are different OS's for the simple fact that they meet people's different needs and desires. If one was superior in all aspects then there would only be one. I think there should be rules to just stick to the facts here because Impala obviously cannot play nice like a big boy. ...and this is coming from a Microsoft fangirl

This post has been edited by Jessica: Oct 20 2006, 06:21 AM

[impala454]

jessica, show me where i have trolled him. show me where i insulted him in my thread. if anything you're the one always trolling in this forum because you sure as hell never contribue anything. you assholes need to quit acting like every time i stick up for myself that i'm the one bein the asshole. read the god damn thread.

[pebkac]

So? I would prob get OS X for my old PC if I could. I'm not paying all that money for an apple computer.

That may be so, but I can guarantee you the sale of Apple's computers would drop if you could load OS X on any computer.

[Mommy]

jessica, show me where i have trolled him. show me where i insulted him in my thread. if anything you're the one always trolling in this forum because you sure as hell never contribue anything. you assholes need to quit acting like every time i stick up for myself that i'm the one bein the asshole. read the god damn thread.

1) just because you post the first post, doesnt make it YOUR thread.

2) i do contribute a lot of them time. I just read your post

got a pretty good laugh out of me... not bein mean, it's just that i guess "cool" is complete opinion... that is, unless you're the master of what is cool and what's obviously not

and thought to myself.. "does he still wear pull-up training pants?" cuz honestly that sounded like something a little kid would say.

3) Quit making yourself out to be the innocent bystander. You bring it upon yourself with things like what i quoted.

[Jim]

Drama mobile!

[John6.7]

That may be so, but I can guarantee you the sale of Apple's computers would drop if you could load OS X on any computer.

Right, no question of that. It would be a bad move for apple, but I would still like to be able to use OS X.

[Mommy]

Drama mobile!

[zetec]

general microsoft rule of thumb: always wait for the first service pack.


ps: the drama's getting lame, cool your jets homos

This post has been edited by zetec: Oct 21 2006, 02:24 AM

[impala454]

1) just because you post the first post, doesnt make it YOUR thread.

2) i do contribute a lot of them time. I just read your post and thought to myself.. "does he still wear pull-up training pants?" cuz honestly that sounded like something a little kid would say.

3) Quit making yourself out to be the innocent bystander. You bring it upon yourself with things like what i quoted.

well then thank you very much for your wonderful thoughts & opinions concerning windows vista. your contribution to this thread has been invaluable and meaningful.

[Mommy]

it doesnt look like OS X to me....it looks like a fancier version of XP. I want it

looks like I have

[impala454]

well that's right i guess you did.

[pebkac]

Well. Now that we have THAT out of the way....