Proof that Chavez is an idiot Options

[Hartmann]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5258722.stm

My favorite line:

Mr Chavez rounded on Israel at the weekend, accusing the Jewish state of committing a "new Holocaust".

Yeah, 1,000 vs. 6+million dead... those are comparable.

I am not saying the deaths are right, but this seems like a Jew bash if I've ever seen one. The problem is that people are one side or the other, which isn't right. Jewish deaths aren't right and neither are Lebanese deaths. We just need to understand that Hezbollah is at the center of this entire mess and their leader has vowed to destroy Israel.

[pebkac]

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1769

[Mommy]

Here is an honest question: Is there any other way that Israel could go about this whole problem and still protect herself?

I dont see any other way. Does anyone here?

Yes, its sad that people in Lebanon are dying, but some terrorist group in Israel isnt vowing to destroy Lebanon. I see what Israel is doing as necessary.

[pebkac]

Personally, I don't really think either side is in the right in this conflict. Hezbollah goes and bombs something, so Israel goes in and bombs the country, killing civilians in the process. Hezbollah gets mad because civilians died and destroys something else. Israel gets mad because hezbollah bombed something and goes in and bombs the country killing more civilians, causing hezbollah to cause more terror.

It's a never ending cycle and neither side is willing to give.

[Mommy]

Hezbollah is supported by the leader of Iran. Iran was said to have had a part in North Korea's testing of long-range test missiles that happened around July 4th. If that doesnt make you think, I dont know what should.

[Psykopath]

Hey we've got some hunches about the rest of the Axis of Evil working together...


PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKES FOR EVERYONE, KIDDIES!

[chook]

we should try to get off oil and fuck them

[Dogmeat]

I wish Israel would completley wipe Syria and Iran off the map for us quite frankly....

[woody]

I wish Israel would completley wipe Syria and Iran off the map for us quite frankly....

i wouldn't even bitch if the US funded them 100% to do that

This post has been edited by woody: Aug 9 2006, 11:51 PM

[Hartmann]

What I find intriguing and hysterical at the same time is the fact that people are complaining about deaths from Israeli bombs (though people have been warned to leave) while most of deaths from Hezbollah's rockets have been Israeli Arabs... So they're killing Arabs and the Israelis are killing Arabs.

[Mommy]

What I find intriguing and hysterical at the same time is the fact that people are complaining about deaths from Israeli bombs (though people have been warned to leave) while most of deaths from Hezbollah's rockets have been Israeli Arabs... So they're killing Arabs and the Israelis are killing Arabs.

yeah, Israel dropped a shit ton of papers in specific over Lebanon these past couple of days warning them that those are sites that are going to be targeted and they need to leave. I know that sucks because they are having to leave their homes and jobs and schools, but at least they get to keep their lives. Hezbollah is out to destroy Israel.

[pysex]

you're forgetting one point there jason


hezbollah doesn't just bomb "something"


they suicide bomb coffee shops and libraries where innocent people are enjoying their life in peace....



You're right. Both sides are inflating this conflict to extreme levels, but in Israel's defense....Hezbollah, Hamas, and at least 80% of the muslim world has vowed to see Israel wiped from the map. Now you tell me (if you were an israeli) how you'd feel about the muslims.

[Mommy]

you're forgetting one point there jason


hezbollah doesn't just bomb "something"


they suicide bomb coffee shops and libraries where innocent people are enjoying their life in peace....



You're right. Both sides are inflating this conflict to extreme levels, but in Israel's defense....Hezbollah, Hamas, and at least 80% of the muslim world has vowed to see Israel wiped from the map. Now you tell me (if you were an israeli) how you'd feel about the muslims.

well said

[pebkac]

you're forgetting one point there jason


hezbollah doesn't just bomb "something"


they suicide bomb coffee shops and libraries where innocent people are enjoying their life in peace....



You're right. Both sides are inflating this conflict to extreme levels, but in Israel's defense....Hezbollah, Hamas, and at least 80% of the muslim world has vowed to see Israel wiped from the map. Now you tell me (if you were an israeli) how you'd feel about the muslims.

Yes. But on the other hand, many muslims were displaced to give the Israelis Israel. Now you tell me (if you were an Arab) how you'd feel about Israel.

I agree with you. It's wrong for Hamas/Hezbollah to kill innocent civilians. It's also wrong for Israel to do the same.

I mean, it's like watching an old married couple argue for hours over something because neither side is willing to admit that they've ever done anything wrong. Only instead of it involving the air conditioner or grandpa's driving, it involves innocent lives and violence.

[rabble]

you're forgetting one point there jason


hezbollah doesn't just bomb "something"


they suicide bomb coffee shops and libraries where innocent people are enjoying their life in peace....



You're right. Both sides are inflating this conflict to extreme levels, but in Israel's defense....Hezbollah, Hamas, and at least 80% of the muslim world has vowed to see Israel wiped from the map. Now you tell me (if you were an israeli) how you'd feel about the muslims.

This is the one thing that really pisses me off,

People (UN anyone?) are always bitching about Israel killing civilians. But they always conveniently forget that while Israel takes more than the required steps (leaflets warning civilains of impending attack) and only kills civilians on accident (not that it makes it any better), Hamas and Hezballah are out to specifically kill civilians.

You don't see Hamas suicide bombing a fucking army outpost, no, you see them blowing up a sedar or a busy coffee shop. You don't see hezballah's rockets specifically targeting israeli military, no, you see them shooting blindly and hitting homes and apartment complexes.

So next time you want to get on Israel's ass for killing civilians, you should take a step back and remeber that the people they are fighting target civilians on purpose.

[Mommy]

Yes. But on the other hand, many muslims were displaced to give the Israelis Israel. Now you tell me (if you were an Arab) how you'd feel about Israel.

land which Israel holds more historical claim to than the fucking Arabs.


That land was taken from Israel and was rightfully given back. I dont think Israel should have to be set in some land that she has no historical claim to just because some fucking Muslim terrrorist group doesnt like her.


As stated before....BOOBOO KITTY FUCK FOR THE ARABS. They lost a chunk of land. They have more than enough Arab nations to house all their fuckwit people. I dont feel an ounce of pity for them losing that piece of land to Israel.

[pysex]

Yes.  But on the other hand, many muslims were displaced to give the Israelis Israel.  Now you tell me (if you were an Arab) how you'd feel about Israel. 

The spanish were displaced when the muslims invaded spain. Same for northern Africa. I think Israel had a right to be there and I'm damn glad we gave the jewish people a country.

If I was an Arab, I'd kill myself (in doing that i'd go to heaven with lots of fresh hot virgins).

I agree with you.  It's wrong for Hamas/Hezbollah to kill innocent civilians.  It's also wrong for Israel to do the same.

I mean, it's like watching an old married couple argue for hours over something because neither side is willing to admit that they've ever done anything wrong.  Only instead of it involving the air conditioner or grandpa's driving, it involves innocent lives and violence.

Blame it on religion my friend. It's the fact that both religions CANNOT and WILL NOT accept other beliefs. Look at Christianity. THere are a billion factions all believing in something different (but still united). It's because the Jewish and Muslim faiths are still ingrained with old world practices. Thousands of years old. I guarandamntee you that both sides behaved the exact same way before Christ was even born.

The world has evolved. Their religions haven't.

AND THEREFORE CONFLICT

[Hartmann]

Loved everything about your post Pysex except for the fact that Islam was founded after Christ.

[Dogmeat]

Islam is gayer than christianity and christianity is fucking gayer than hell so there you have it folks, islam is the father of all faggotry.

Wooowooo!

I needs ta go piss me out a campfar!

[impala454]

Blame it on religion my friend. It's the fact that both religions CANNOT and WILL NOT accept other beliefs. Look at Christianity. THere are a billion factions all believing in something different (but still united). It's because the Jewish and Muslim faiths are still ingrained with old world practices. Thousands of years old. I guarandamntee you that both sides behaved the exact same way before Christ was even born.

The world has evolved. Their religions haven't. 

AND THEREFORE CONFLICT

So we don't have muslims and jews living the United States? How many rockets have you seen them shooting at each other over in New York where they pretty much pass each other on the street by the hundreds of thousands or more? Pretty much the extent of the violence between them over here is on Conan O'Brien or some comedian's routine. Blame it on religion if you want, but that's a copout. This is nothing more than old hate and politics. People are being raised to hate the other. In that respect it is very similiar to the holocaust.

[Mommy]

So we don't have muslims and jews living the United States?  How many rockets have you seen them shooting at each other over in New York where they pretty much pass each other on the street by the hundreds of thousands or more?  Pretty much the extent of the violence between them over here is on Conan O'Brien or some comedian's routine.  Blame it on religion if you want, but that's a copout.  This is nothing more than old hate and politics.  People are being raised to hate the other.  In that respect it is very similiar to the holocaust.

I dont think there is anything that I honestly hate more than when people attempt to make unsolid comparisons to the Holocaust.


2 things are wrong with your post.

1) People can hate each other without killing each other

2) You are mistaking a religion and an ethnicity. Arabs are not necessarily Muslim. Many of the Arabs in the US today are from Lebanon where a large portion of their Arab population is Christian, not Muslim. Arabs and Israelis dont hate each other.... Muslims and Jews usually do.

This post has been edited by Jessica: Aug 11 2006, 12:58 PM

[Dogmeat]

Yeah, for instance, I absolutley mother fucking HATE muslims, hardcore bible thumpers,, and millitant nazi eskimos ...

But I dont ever kill any of them

[rabble]

The holocaust happened because the germans ran out of money/space for the jews, I believe they originally wanted to use most of the jewish population for menial tasks and basic slavery shit but when it didn't pan out the way they thought it would they started killing jews. Hence the "final solution"

Please don't compare a shitty landwar started by hezballah to the holocaust again.

[pysex]

So we don't have muslims and jews living the United States? How many rockets have you seen them shooting at each other over in New York where they pretty much pass each other on the street by the hundreds of thousands or more? Pretty much the extent of the violence between them over here is on Conan O'Brien or some comedian's routine. Blame it on religion if you want, but that's a copout. This is nothing more than old hate and politics. People are being raised to hate the other. In that respect it is very similiar to the holocaust.

I like to think that the muslims and jews that are living in America are well educated and understand that differences are quite alright. It's the muslims and jews in the Middle East that are "programmed" to hate each other. This of course goes more for the radicalist muslims who are raised from childhood to hate and kill jews. They train daily for the moment they'll have to blow innocents to smithereens. They don't have any other options. Their leaders, their religious figures, tell them that anyone NOT muslim is an infidel and should be destroyed. It's like being a german child in nazi germany during WWII. YOU HAD TO LIKE HITLER. If you didn't, you died.


I watched that interesting documentary (i think on the history channel) where Israeli intelligence interrogated the suicide bombers that failed in their missions. Fascinating what kinds of things their led to believe. They actually think the world is pure evil and Allah wants us destroyed.

[pysex]

Loved everything about your post Pysex except for the fact that Islam was founded after Christ.

Oops. Well maybe an earlier form of it.

[Spectatrix]

Oops. Well maybe an earlier form of it.

Nope. Islam started in the 600's.

[pysex]

Nope. Islam started in the 600's.

pffffffft wannabes!

[pysex]

What makes me sick is that it's the popular leaders who pervert the actual teachings of a religion to manipulate what they want and need. Like Saddam equaling himself to God. When you take a society where the individual has no identity, throw in leaders who preach religion and equal themselves to it, you get radicalists who want to make a place for themselves in the world because that's all they have. That's the ultimate weapon they have. Their people are uneducated and isolated. And all they have to believe is what their leaders tell them.


Seperation of church and state. They combine their secular (government) practices with that of their religious beliefs. Look at the chaos.


Do you want to know why Muslims don't like Christians? Because Christianity celebrates the individuals relationship to God. Muslim and Jewish faiths REQUIRE you to go directly through a religious figure. Self is not respected. You are not worthy enough to have a direct relationship to God. Christianity teaches that you can have a relationship with God on your own faith and on what you believe yourself. Back then it was freakin revolutionary.


I like to equal the muslim population in the Middle East to a red ant mound. Stir it up and you get an army of pissed off ants. They attack anything different from them. An innocent worm crosses the mound, disturbs the ground, and is instantly killed. (No i'm not saying America is the innocent worm).

[Mommy]

What makes me sick is that it's the popular leaders who pervert the actual teachings of a religion to manipulate what they want and need. Like Saddam equaling himself to God. When you take a society where the individual has no identity, throw in leaders who preach religion and equal themselves to it, you get radicalists who want to make a place for themselves in the world because that's all they have. That's the ultimate weapon they have. Their people are uneducated and isolated. And all they have to believe is what their leaders tell them.


Seperation of church and state. They combine their secular (government) practices with that of their religious beliefs. Look at the chaos.


Do you want to know why Muslims don't like Christians? Because Christianity celebrates the individuals relationship to God. Muslim and Jewish faiths REQUIRE you to go directly through a religious figure. Self is not respected. You are not worthy enough to have a direct relationship to God. Christianity teaches that you can have a relationship with God on your own faith and on what you believe yourself. Back then it was freakin revolutionary.


I like to equal the muslim population in the Middle East to a red ant mound. Stir it up and you get an army of pissed off ants. They attack anything different from them. An innocent worm crosses the mound, disturbs the ground, and is instantly killed. (No i'm not saying America is the innocent worm).

Im going to stop talking in this thread because you have already said everything im thinking. well said, sir

[Hartmann]

What is really bad is that "we" (read, the west) want to install democratic governments in some of these places, the problem is, the party that's going to be elected is usually the one that is the most "radical". I put it in " because I hate using that word to describe these people.