 IEDs killing tank crews... |
| IEDs killing tank crews... |
 Jul 5 2006, 10:08 AM
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I have a hard time understanding how guys are getting killed in M1A2 tanks by IEDs. The only way it seems that this is possible is they were either sitting outside the armor or the fuel tank was hit and fire spread through the tank. The first seems more plausible. Just confuses me...
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Jul 5 2006, 10:28 AM
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haven't even heard about this...do you have a link to an article where it says m1 abrams?
I have a buddy there right now in EOD and goes out on IED calls daily (duh). he's a master sgt so he kinda knows wtf he's talking about. I'll ask him what the dealio is. seems implausible though, upon first hearing about it. |
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| Guest_CANNONBALL_* |
Jul 5 2006, 10:40 AM
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got word that a triple stacked 155mm IED hit a tank killing several crewman.
many others are killed by a single 155mm ripping the treads off, then the crew 'unbottons' to fight back and get hit with snipers. |
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Jul 5 2006, 10:51 AM
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 The Transient Aggie Group: Members Posts: 546 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 21 |
QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 10:40 AM) got word that a triple stacked 155mm IED hit a tank killing several crewman. many others are killed by a single 155mm ripping the treads off, then the crew 'unbottons' to fight back and get hit with snipers. QUOTE (wikipedia) On November 27, 2004 an Abrams tank was badly damaged and its driver killed from shrapnel wounds when an extremely powerful improvised explosive device (IED) consisting of three M109A6 155 mm shells with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg detonated next to the tank. The other three crew members were able to escape, a testament to the armor of the M1A2. seems only 1 reported death? --------------------  A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. |
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Jul 5 2006, 11:37 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
There was one just last month: http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2006/n...0608-13201.html
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Jul 5 2006, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE Sorry for not replying sooner but I was a little busy (IEDs = 0/BombBoy =3). But yeah, there have been catastrophics on tanks in the past. Haven't heard of any recently and it depends on a person's definition of catastrophic: tank burned up, crew got out; tank disabled, etc...... The one thing I do know is that patterns will get you killed no matter what you roll in over here.
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Jul 5 2006, 01:08 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
When he says "patterns" does he mean patterned blasts, as in the lay out of the IED?
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Jul 5 2006, 01:18 PM
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no he means routes...times...the badguys being able to lay out a trap for you. apparently he says people (both contractors and the mil) are getting lazy or complacent and taking the same routes every time.
I'm awaiting a more specific answer on types of IEDs. I know they are stacking several arty rounds, but am curious as to if they are making shape charges for armor too. |
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Jul 5 2006, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 5 2006, 02:18 PM) no he means routes...times...the badguys being able to lay out a trap for you. apparently he says people (both contractors and the mil) are getting lazy or complacent and taking the same routes every time. I'm awaiting a more specific answer on types of IEDs. I know they are stacking several arty rounds, but am curious as to if they are making shape charges for armor too. I heard they were making cone shaped charges to funnel the blast in a more concentrated area. -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2006, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jul 5 2006, 01:35 PM) I heard they were making cone shaped charges to funnel the blast in a more concentrated area. = shaped charges. -------------------- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. |
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Jul 6 2006, 05:02 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (nickluto @ Jul 6 2006, 11:28 AM) = shaped charges. He asked, I answered... 2 e-troll points for you. -------------------- |
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Jul 6 2006, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Jul 6 2006, 05:02 PM) He asked, I answered... 2 e-troll points for you. QUOTE (CANNONBALL) I'm awaiting a more specific answer on types of IEDs. I know they are stacking several arty rounds, but am curious as to if they are making shape charges for armor too.
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Jul 6 2006, 06:41 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
Jon made an inquisitive statement as to whether or not they were making shaped IEDS.
I replied that yes, they are making shaped IEDs...cone-shaped IEDs. You're a bored guy I suppose. Silly internetz. This post has been edited by Psykopath: Jul 6 2006, 06:42 PM -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2006, 08:23 AM
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what in the hell? I'm pretty familiar with making shape charges for door knocking. google misznay-schardin effect for the theory behind them.
my inquiry was a thinking aloud one...I wonder if they are using big ass shape charges for armor. I know they have them for regular IEDs. I'm talking about big honkin ones that would gnarl a tank. now everybody hug! |
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Jul 7 2006, 10:53 AM
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Well then, if that's the case, wouldn't shaping them like a cone dampen the effect? I would think you would want a nice parabolic shape with the focus of the parabola dead on the tank?
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Jul 7 2006, 11:27 AM
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for the love of god...
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Jul 7 2006, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (James @ Jul 7 2006, 10:53 AM) Well then, if that's the case, wouldn't shaping them like a cone dampen the effect? I would think you would want a nice parabolic shape with the focus of the parabola dead on the tank? James, I am not sure you understand how shaped charges work... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Jul 7 2006, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Hartmann @ Jul 7 2006, 01:00 PM) James, I am not sure you understand how shaped charges work... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misznay-Schardin_effect That's what I based it on. The fact that the focus of a parabola is where all the energy would go made it seem ideal. Oh well. -------------------- Spam? Isn't that something poor people eat?
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Jul 7 2006, 12:21 PM
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dude, you're making them out of trash and other crap laying around. mission dictated, field-expedient charges...not some contractor-made hooyah like a frag grenade.
I've made them from gallon milk jugs, oil funnels, travellers soap containers, and crap like that. it's more the directional shape of the deal than exact physics of lines and shit. I think you're getting a bit too MadMath on it... |
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Jul 7 2006, 12:24 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
Yeah
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Jul 7 2006, 12:47 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,403 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
All they're trying to do is get as much heat, force, etc. into one spot so that they can penetrate the hull of the vehicle, once that's done, all hell breaks loose inside.
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