Petition for "open carry" in Texas Options

[impala454]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5851852.html

FORT WORTH — Despite the Lone Star State's love affair with the gun, there's at least one firearms restriction that some Texans want lifted.

Texas is just one of six states in which handguns can't be worn in plain view. The other 44 states, in the parlance of gun advocates, are known as "open-carry" states.

More than 3,500 people have signed an online petition asking Gov. Rick Perry and the Legislature to permit Texans to wear their handguns without concealing them.

The Texas Citizens Defense League supports the petition, which requests that people who legally buy handguns be allowed to carry them openly, except in places prohibited by law.

I guess it wouldn't bother me, so long as you still had to have a license to carry. I've been to gun ranges quite a bit now and see a lot of careless people. I think this would deter crime quite a bit, but I also think there'd be a lot of accidents.

What do you guys think of this?

[FORSAKENR320]

i am for and against it. i don't mind open carry, but i still want the people to have a "concealed handgun license" i want the people who are gonna wear it to at least crank the $200-$300 into it. this will deter the group of people i DON"T want walking around with the guns, the poor niggers who will be trying to use them as fashion statements. thats my main complaint, people who aren't trained in them trying to look like badasses

[Dogmeat]

SHiT NIGGA! US BE THE NIGGA! HOOD! GOTTA HAVE WE SUM ALL DIS ... GUN! HOOD NIGGA SHiT!

[The Fanatic]

I'm against it...



This is not the old west...

[Psykopath]

I think I am both for and against it as well, though not in a racist way like Brandon...

You'd have people of all colors carrying guns untrained just to look tough. Hell, some people might be willing to fork over the $200-$300 fee just for that alone.

Then you'd have the people willing to take the time to train and such that could carry them as well, though that would definitely be a minority.

[Seeker]

I'm against it...
This is not the old west...

are you for guns at all?

[FORSAKENR320]

I think I am both for and against it as well, though not in a racist way like Brandon...

You'd have people of all colors carrying guns untrained just to look tough. Hell, some people might be willing to fork over the $200-$300 fee just for that alone.

Then you'd have the people willing to take the time to train and such that could carry them as well, though that would definitely be a minority.

NOT SAYING IT IN A RACIST WAY

white people and mexicans will do the same thing, people who are gonna buy a gun and wear it in the open like that as fashion statements are definately niggers, regardless of color. and it won't stop everyone, but look at how well that $200-$300 licensing has done to stop you and me from getting them. it'll stop most, not all, but the majority of the people you don't want with guns won't pay it.

[FORSAKENR320]

i will admit, if i can open carry and conceal carry, i will definately do so with the Keltec plr-16




it's considered by law a Long-Ranged-Pistol

[The Fanatic]

are you for guns at all?

I believe that responsible and sane individuals have the right to own and use firearms.


But I am personally against guns, i've never fired one in my life.

This post has been edited by The Fanatic: Jun 23 2008, 07:21 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

I believe that responsible and sane individuals have the right to own and use firearms.
But I am personally against guns, i've never fired one in my life.

this needs to change

next time we go to the range, we need to take you

[Seeker]

sweet, now i know when shit hits the fan i can always steal the fanatic's food, or kill him and eat him

[Dogmeat]

I believe that responsible and sane individuals have the right to own and use firearms.
But I am personally against guns, i've never fired one in my life.

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[Mommy]

I'm against it. Not only for the fashion statement argument, but also because I think it will give criminals who don't have access to a weapon, access to a gun. They see Mr. Joe Bob with a gun at his waste, run over, grab it, and shoot up the place. Then again, I am for most gun control laws. I don't like guns too much at all.

[Dogmeat]

I'm against it. Not only for the fashion statement argument, but also because I think it will give criminals who don't have access to a weapon, access to a gun. They see Mr. Joe Bob with a gun at his waste, run over, grab it, and shoot up the place. Then again, I am for most gun control laws. I don't like guns too much at all.

______ANYONE_____ can get a gun in this country, criminal or not. It's so easy to get a gun in this country I don't see why we don't start making 4-year olds take mandatory gun saftey classes. Seriously.

[Mommy]

Just because they can get access to a gun, doesn't make a difference. I still don't like open carry.

[Epic]

so many stupid people cloud the gun control issue for me

like my brother, who is a deputy, was on vacation and took his off-duty .38 with him. he took off his pants to jump in the pool, and tucked his pistol into his pants folded up on the table. later that day, his friend, grabs the gun while drunk, apparently thinks it is fake despite its weight, and shoots his sister in the face killing her and leaving her 3 kids without a mother.

shitty shitty, this was in dallas just last month

[Dogmeat]

so many stupid people cloud the gun control issue for me

like my brother, who is a deputy, was on vacation and took his off-duty .38 with him. he took off his pants to jump in the pool, and tucked his pistol into his pants folded up on the table. later that day, his friend, grabs the gun while drunk, apparently thinks it is fake despite its weight, and shoots his sister in the face killing her and leaving her 3 kids without a mother.

shitty shitty, this was in dallas just last month

This is why I think public torture should be legal.

Publicly display this man having his testicles seared off with a hot poker and make it widley known what crimme he committed, then perhaps maybe people will start to get the point.

[Seeker]

Just because they can get access to a gun, doesn't make a difference. I still don't like open carry.

That's a great argument... "I just don't like it". If you were on a debate team you'd be a master-debater.

[Mommy]

That's a great argument... "I just don't like it". If you were on a debate team you'd be a master-debater.

I have reasoning: I don't want MY children to be exposed to guns and gun violence. If kids see something on t.v., sometimes they want to act it out. This just provides access to a gun. "ooo looky. that guy has something shiny. I want to play cops and robbers"... There. Reasoning.

[Dogmeat]

I have reasoning: I don't want MY children to be exposed to guns and gun violence. If kids see something on t.v., sometimes they want to act it out. This just provides access to a gun. "ooo looky. that guy has something shiny. I want to play cops and robbers"... There. Reasoning.

Well, if the fucking liberals hadn't bastardized life for the rest of us because they can't control their homosexual cock-lust, our children would be watching cowboys and indian movies like they did back int he 50's and the white guy would always win by killing off as many minorities as possible, and the niggers wouldn't talk back!

And there wouldn't be any problems with guns!

I'm telling you all this horse shit with guns started about the time they started letting black people vote

GAH!

FUCKING LIBERALS!

[Mommy]

Well, if the fucking liberals hadn't bastardized life for the rest of us because they can't control their homosexual cock-lust, our children would be watching cowboys and indian movies like they did back int he 50's and the white guy would always win by killing off as many minorities as possible, and the niggers wouldn't talk back!

And there wouldn't be any problems with guns!

I'm telling you all this horse shit with guns started about the time they started letting black people vote

GAH!

FUCKING LIBERALS!

...

I don't know how to respond to something so....

[impala454]

dogmeat you had me nearly cryin laughin w/that one

[impala454]

dogmeat you had me nearly cryin laughin w/that one

[FORSAKENR320]

yea, i love how idiots keep thinking that by simply making it "illegal" to carry a gun in hosptials and stuff is gonna stop someone from carrying it in there if they want to..... god there wa a youtube video making fun of that, where a criminal tried to rob a convieniece store, the clerk pointed to the "no guns sign" and the criminal walked out, sulking

[Mommy]

I guess my reasoning is more for kids than anything. I just don't want my kids around guns at all. It probably will end up being something my husband and I have to discuss a lot though. He inherited a bunch of rifles from his grandfather, and I think he wants to eventually bring them to our house. Currently, they are at his grandma's house. I think he feels differently about the whole gun thing than I do. I just want our kids to be free of guns like I was growing up. Yeah, I lived in a rough area, but my parents never owned a gun. They didn't want me or my brother to find it when we were little and think it was a toy. Kids have grabby hands. They might see someone walk into a store displaying their pistol at their hip and run up and grab it. Doesn't matter how great of a parent you are. Kids are unpredictable.

[FORSAKENR320]

I guess my reasoning is more for kids than anything. I just don't want my kids around guns at all. It probably will end up being something my husband and I have to discuss a lot though. He inherited a bunch of rifles from his grandfather, and I think he wants to eventually bring them to our house. Currently, they are at his grandma's house. I think he feels differently about the whole gun thing than I do. I just want our kids to be free of guns like I was growing up. Yeah, I lived in a rough area, but my parents never owned a gun. They didn't want me or my brother to find it when we were little and think it was a toy. Kids have grabby hands. They might see someone walk into a store displaying their pistol at their hip and run up and grab it. Doesn't matter how great of a parent you are. Kids are unpredictable.

well, i can agree with your concern, but my arguement to that is just how many gun related incident happened in the 50's and such? i think the safety issue among kids began when parents started refusing to educate their children on firearms. THEN it becomes a forbidden toy, and thats what makes it dangerous. children should not be hidden from the world, it makes them blind to danger. as a parent you shoudl educate your children on the reality of life in a safe and controlled way, and that to me is how guns should be taught to children. you must teach them they are instruments of death, and not toys. thats the parents responsibility. the true failure of a parent will be when that child IS exposed to a firearm, at a friends house, or some such (because you WILL NEVER GET RID OF GUNS!) and your uneducated child decided to experiment with it.

point being, the gun is not the problem, the parent is the problem.

[Mommy]

well, i can agree with your concern, but my arguement to that is just how many gun related incident happened in the 50's and such? i think the safety issue among kids began when parents started refusing to educate their children on firearms. THEN it becomes a forbidden toy, and thats what makes it dangerous. children should not be hidden from the world, it makes them blind to danger. as a parent you shoudl educate your children on the reality of life in a safe and controlled way, and that to me is how guns should be taught to children. you must teach them they are instruments of death, and not toys. thats the parents responsibility. the true failure of a parent will be when that child IS exposed to a firearm, at a friends house, or some such (because you WILL NEVER GET RID OF GUNS!) and your uneducated child decided to experiment with it.

point being, the gun is not the problem, the parent is the problem.

Yeah, I see your point too. Maybe my opinion would be different if my brother was more normal. He would do things without thinking all the time. I'm sure when I have my own kids, and they are "normal" I will see that it's not as big of a concern.

[FORSAKENR320]

Yeah, I see your point too. Maybe my opinion would be different if my brother was more normal. He would do things without thinking all the time. I'm sure when I have my own kids, and they are "normal" I will see that it's not as big of a concern.

yea... it's a hard cookie, and not a subject many parents WANT to talk to their kids about. but isn't that the current failure of society? parents not wanting to actually do the teaching to their kids? it's always tv's fault, or the teachers fault, or the music..... but, thats the parents whole reason for being parents.

and the reality is, i will not have a house without a gun, due to personal experience of my mother being raped and robbed in our own house when i was 5. so, thats the conundrum.


either let my family take the abuse if an incident DOES happen, pray that the house is only robbed. or if the wife IS raped, that they don't kill her and the kids....... or at least give the wife a fighting chance when i am not there to protect her.

obviously you can see my reluctance to just throw my family on the mercy of "good" society.... to me there is no choice. there WILL be a gun close for my wife. and she WILL HAVE to know how to use it. and because of that, i will HAVE to teach my children

[impala454]

I kinda have come to the conclusion that this wouldn't bother me if it were for one thing. That is ego. People get into shouting matches much easier nowadays, road rage, check out lines, etc, etc. How many times will this happen:

1. guy B cuts in front of guy A in line
2. guy A gets pissed and they get into a shouting match
3. guy B moves his hand in the general direction of his gun
4. guy A sees this and puts his hand on his gun
5. guy B sees this and unsnaps his holster
6. guys C, D, E, and F see them both and unsnap their holsters
7. use your imagination for what happens next

[Jim]

I kinda have come to the conclusion that this wouldn't bother me if it were for one thing. That is ego. People get into shouting matches much easier nowadays, road rage, check out lines, etc, etc. How many times will this happen:

1. guy B cuts in front of guy A in line
2. guy A gets pissed and they get into a shouting match
3. guy B moves his hand in the general direction of his gun
4. guy A sees this and puts his hand on his gun
5. guy B sees this and unsnaps his holster
6. guys C, D, E, and F see them both and unsnap their holsters
7. use your imagination for what happens next

Bingo. Chuck, the more you speak, the less I think you're a douche. Have you changed or have I changed?

[impala454]

oh i'm sure we'll find something to disagree about

[Jim]

oh i'm sure we'll find something to disagree about

No we won't!

I think, really, it's because I don't care as much anymore? Your opinionz aren't any less valid than mine, so who cares if you don't agree with me. As long as we all like video games.

[FORSAKENR320]

I kinda have come to the conclusion that this wouldn't bother me if it were for one thing. That is ego. People get into shouting matches much easier nowadays, road rage, check out lines, etc, etc. How many times will this happen:

1. guy B cuts in front of guy A in line
2. guy A gets pissed and they get into a shouting match
3. guy B moves his hand in the general direction of his gun
4. guy A sees this and puts his hand on his gun
5. guy B sees this and unsnaps his holster
6. guys C, D, E, and F see them both and unsnap their holsters
7. use your imagination for what happens next

nothing. because you're too tuned into the spaghetti western style movies.

i have heard alot about how there hasn't been any shootings western style in texas, and found this in 5 seconds of search::

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1552567/posts

[impala454]

that's referring to concealed carry, and it makes sense. it has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario I just gave.

[FORSAKENR320]

that's referring to concealed carry, and it makes sense. it has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario I just gave.

thats because the scenario you gave is flawed and biased. you started this "scenerio" after the problem has already occured.

i deal with alot of hostile situations, and yes, on several occassions someone has been armed. and never once have i seen what you're trying to imply, and what i was doing to those people is way more provocation that a little arguement.


the people willing to pay for their open carry or concealed carry are not the trouble makers the majority of the time. as you've blatently stated in previous threads, if a criminal wants a gun, and wants to carry it, they are gonna do it regardless of the law. why has your stance done a complete 180 now?

[impala454]

thats because the scenario you gave is flawed and biased. you started this "scenerio" after the problem has already occured.

i deal with alot of hostile situations, and yes, on several occassions someone has been armed. and never once have i seen what you're trying to imply, and what i was doing to those people is way more provocation that a little arguement.

but people werent openly carrying. that's the difference. if I'm concealing my weapon, the other person likely has no clue that I have one. if it's clearly visible on my hip though, and I make any movement (whether intentional or not) towards that weapon, the other person is going to fear for their life, and that creates a much different situation than a couple people with concealed weapons.

the people willing to pay for their open carry or concealed carry are not the trouble makers the majority of the time. as you've blatently stated in previous threads, if a criminal wants a gun, and wants to carry it, they are gonna do it regardless of the law. why has your stance done a complete 180 now?

my stance hasn't changed at all. I still think people should be able to get concealed carry licenses, and I still agree with you that if criminals want guns they're going to get them.

I like the idea of open carry, but I honestly just think it would end up creating more problems than it's worth.

[nickluto]

Hey idiots, this already exists in 44 states. Allowing open carry isn't going to bring about the apocalypse or radically change the nature of gun-violence like you all think.

[Dogmeat]

i think you should have to undergoe a psych evaluation before being allowed to purchase a gun ...

[impala454]

Hey idiots, this already exists in 44 states. Allowing open carry isn't going to bring about the apocalypse or radically change the nature of gun-violence like you all think.

yeah but how many of those states' citizens actually practice it? are these just old laws on the books or more recent changes?