"Environmentalism" isn't a vehicle for promoting a liberal agenda? Yeah...right. Options

[Dogmeat]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/05/05...ence/index.html

Now we can't build the border fence because the jaguars might stay in mexico

[cmac]

that's freakin' awesome.
i must see one of these jaguars.

[impala454]

gay. it's not even like we'd be killing the cats by building the fence. just not allowing them over the border. wtf do they want us to do? put a kitty cat door on the border wall?

[Testm0nkey]

i havent read the article at all but if the cats range goes beyond where the fence would cut them off at then it could very well kill them off. or if it prevents movements of things they feed on. its a little thing called habitat destruction, which is a big factor in the high rate of extinction of various plant and animal species

[impala454]

read the article

[cmac]

i have no opinion on a border fence, but i do know that monkey's right.
it would suck to lose one of the few, if not the only, jaguar species that lives in north america.
i'm sure there's a compromise somewhere.

This post has been edited by cmac: May 6 2008, 09:20 AM

[Hartmann]

i have no opinion on a border fence, but i do know that monkey's right.
it would suck to lose one of the few, if not the only, jaguar species that lives in north america.
i'm sure there's a compromise somewhere.

Artificially increase the population of the jaguars and breed them to guard the border.

[impala454]

i have no opinion on a border fence, but i do know that monkey's right.
it would suck to lose one of the few, if not the only, jaguar species that lives in north america.
i'm sure there's a compromise somewhere.

you guys need to friggin read the article.

this is not "build a fence = jaguar extinction". it's "a dude saw a jaguar in texas for the first time in hundreds of years and building a fence will make it so they don't come over here". they're all still in mexico. the fence just wouldn't let them easily get over here.

[Testm0nkey]

... so it sounds like what i said IS relevant to the article even without reading it!

[Oasis]

i havent read the article at all but if the cats range goes beyond where the fence would cut them off at then it could very well kill them off. or if it prevents movements of things they feed on. its a little thing called habitat destruction, which is a big factor in the high rate of extinction of various plant and animal species

Who cares?

You have a serious problem with looking at things realistically.

Discounting the fact that you never read the goddamned article to begin with, it states that there are no more than 120 jaguars left in that area. Even if building the fence wiped out the population, it wouldn't really make a difference. The "extinction" of 120 animals in an isolated part of the world wouldn't affect anything. I highly doubt jaguars have an predators, and the prey they eat wouldn't really be affected population wise with such a small number of jaguars left. Their "extinction" would make minimal to no difference on their existing habitat

Nothing bothers me more than protecting the extreme minority at the expense of the majority. I really hope PETA doesn't catch wind of this because god knows they'll throw a hellacious hissy fit

[cmac]

so since there's so few of them it's ok with you that we make them go extinct?
it wouldn't affect anything? the loss of a species is an pretty big effect.

[impala454]

... so it sounds like what i said IS relevant to the article even without reading it!

no.

let me quote the article since your stubborn arse won't read it.

Jaguars, an endangered species, have a breeding population in northern Mexico. Scientists believe there are no more than 120 left in the wild there.

It's believed that since 1910, the cats are only visitors north of the border. They have been virtually unstudied here until recently.

But Glenn and other conservationists worry that the possible return of breeding jaguars to the United States could be stopped in its tracks

So according to the actual conservationists the cats aren't "living" here. they're crying about the fence because it could prevent them from returning here. not kill off the population in mexico.

so since there's so few of them it's ok with you that we make them go extinct?
it wouldn't affect anything? the loss of a species is an pretty big effect.

for the love of God according to the article the fence isn't going to make them go extinct. it just wont let them roam into the US. geezus H

[cmac]

if they have the ability to go back and forth across the border, whether or not they're living here or not, and that is taken away from them then it's wrong.
and yes, taking away an animal's natural boundaries, as determined by the animal, can make them go extinct. don't you watch animal planet.

[cmac]

i'm sure these things eat rabbits and deer anyway. it's not like there's a shortage of that on the border.

[Psykopath]

Quick point: the border fence is just like putting a band-aide on a big gash. Quick "fix" for a much larger problem/issue.


*saves this argument for another thread*