Obama's Pastor Options

[Dogmeat]

So if your "Spiritual Advisor" is saying "God Damn America! Da black man Po' from America!"

.... this isn't influencing your politics?

Uh huh.

I can see it now. A tax ONLY for white males ages 18-35 coming,.

[Psykopath]

So if your "Spiritual Advisor" is saying "God Damn America! Da black man Po' from America!"

.... this isn't influencing your politics?

Uh huh.

I can see it now. A tax ONLY for white males ages 18-35 coming,.

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[jwttu]

the comments he said after september 11th remind me of that phelps guy

[Hartmann]

the comments he said after september 11th remind me of that phelps guy

Yeah, it's some similar stuff. Obama better do a good job of distancing himself from this guy...

[Dogmeat]

Why bother? Every fucking minority in the country as well as every stupid white chick is gonna vote for this asshole ... and they think it's white males ages 18-35's fault they're lazy and smoke crack and are broke.

If I was Obama I'd have this asshole as my fucking running mate.

[impala454]

I was looking at this on chron.com: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5628012.html

I'll just paste my comment from there:
It's hard to believe Obama truly rejects what his pastor says when he's been Obama's "spiritual guide for nearly 20 years", married him, and baptized his daughters. If I heard that kind of bigotry out of my pastor I'd be looking for another church. I can't imagine this is the first time in 20 years Obama has heard comments like this out of his pastor.

another comment I saw that I thought was pretty good:

Which societies owned slaves in the world? Let me answer for you. The Vikings, the Tuetons, The Mongols, The Aztecs, The Incans, The American Indians, African Tribes, Arabic Tribes, and Europeans. And let us not forget the Eygyptians enslaved Moses and his tribe. Let us also not forget the slaves brought over from Ireland who had ownership papers by our forefathers. They were white indentured slaves. Many ethnic people have used others throughtout history.
Step into our time,
Forgive the dead.
Refuse to be judged by the preponderance of or lack of that awful awful thing called Melanin. Don't be judged on your melanin. Don't judge on melanin.
Decide on character.
And Character alone.

[rabble]

Wow, you can't attack the man directly so you attack his pastor, thats fucking low.

I hope you never associate with anyone ever, because what they think defines you as a person.

[impala454]

Wow, you can't attack the man directly so you attack his pastor, thats fucking low.

I hope you never associate with anyone ever, because what they think defines you as a person.

WTF are you talking about? In what way did I "attack" his pastor??

And I did "attack" (if that's the word you want to use) obama. I question his rejection of what his pastor said. He's listened to the man's sermons for 20 years and now suddenly because he's a presidential candidate and his pastor's message isn't popular, he rejects it? Not buying it Obama.

[Inferia]

I'm not a church goer, but how seriously do people actually take the words of a sermon? And how much do you actually agree with the sermons?

[impala454]

Have you ever seen a black church sermon?

[Inferia]

I haven't seen any church sermon, maybe except for a chinese one, sorta

[impala454]

Well let me just tell you then, black sermons are definitely taken seriously.

[Inferia]

Isn't that upto to the individual?

[impala454]

Oh, so Obama went for 20 years, had the guy marry him, had him baptize his kids, but didn't believe in what the guy preached? Yeah, sure.

[Dogmeat]

Wow, you can't attack the man directly so you attack his pastor, thats fucking low.

I hope you never associate with anyone ever, because what they think defines you as a person.

I've been railing against obama all along: HE'S A FUCKING COMMUNIST, PASTOR OR NO PASTOR.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Obama is just full of shit, through and through....

The pastor spoke about Obama being an underpriviledged black man.....right....being a millionaire with a wealthy lawyer wife is just SO underpriviledged.

[Dogmeat]

hes not even all the way black...

so thank god he ain't acting like he blakka dan blak cuh he black yall and shit.

[jonathan83]

the thing impala posted about slavery is pretty interesting. black americans need to take a hint from other ethnicities/nationalities and stop blaming the current people for the past. of course there are still racial tensions and problems, but please don't bring up the slavery card.

i dont know why obama doesn't just identify himself as biracial. i mean, that's what he is. there are a lot of people who can identify with that. it's not like he has to choose if he's white or black....he can be just be both/neither/whatever.

[Melanie]

Um, I know my family and I don't agree with the Priest that baptized my brother, me, and my dad and married my parents. But he just so happened to be the priest of the parish.

And a black sermon...psht, he also listened to Reverend Claude Black who is a pretty bad ass old man.

[woody]

who fuckin cares

[impala454]

who fuckin cares

if you don't care, no need to post in the thread or continue reading it.

the thing impala posted about slavery is pretty interesting. black americans need to take a hint from other ethnicities/nationalities and stop blaming the current people for the past. of course there are still racial tensions and problems, but please don't bring up the slavery card.

i dont know why obama doesn't just identify himself as biracial. i mean, that's what he is. there are a lot of people who can identify with that. it's not like he has to choose if he's white or black....he can be just be both/neither/whatever.

yeah, "Forgive The Dead" would be a hell of a catchy bumper sticker

[impala454]

Um, I know my family and I don't agree with the Priest that baptized my brother, me, and my dad and married my parents. But he just so happened to be the priest of the parish.

And a black sermon...psht, he also listened to Reverend Claude Black who is a pretty bad ass old man.

the preacher/priest/minister/whatever isn't supposed to be saying GD in a sermon. He isn't supposed to be preaching bigoted hateful messages. He's supposed to teach the message of God's word to his congregation, and help them in their daily lives as Christians.

Step out of your own little world for 5 minutes and realize that your precious candidate might in fact not be perfect. It's sad that you have to make up some excuse about "not agreeing" with your priest. What message did he preach that you don't agree with?

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I am sorry, but first there was Donnie McClurkin, and now there's this Pastor....

How many times are we gonna give Obama a "Get Out of Hate" Free card?

You can distance yourself all you want from someone, but merely associating and TOLERATING people who spout hatred is just as good as those words coming out of your own mouth. You're doing NOTHING to stop it.

It seems to me that Obama does a VERY good job of snaking out of his little messes, and the American public is SO DESPERATE for something different, that they're willing to say, "Oh, all right!"

In an interview Obama said that this guy's sermons are different from a Klansman speaking at a public rally....in my opinion, the end result is the same despite the methods....HATE HATE HATE. Those people walk out of that sermon thinking one thing...."hate the white man...all white people think they're above us."

He said Hillary has never been called a nigger.....well, guess what....she's been called a BITCH and a CUNT plenty of times....and the word nigger is in no way more derogatory than words like bitch, cunt, faggot, etc. They're all the same.

[Melanie]

no, the people that he surrounds himself may not be perfect. And no one is perfect. He is just a man. Come on now. How many people do you know that are close to you that spew hateful stuff. I know of a few candidates out there that call Barack a 'mallate'... which is just the same as the n word. Now I refuse to talk to those people.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

He doesn't declare his disagreement with people like McClurkin and this other guy UNTIL he's had it come out publicly. I mean, come on...this guy was his "spiritual advisor" and was working on his campaign.

We all have our prejudices....but Obama seems to align himself with people who are VERY vocal about theirs.

I am sorry, but I can't vote for someone who has attached himself to TWO people (that we know of at the moment....doubtless there are more in hiding) who spout anti-gay rhetoric. I may as well vote for McCain. I know Hilary aint perfect, but I don't have people on her campaign ready to have me stoned to death or put in conversion therapy.

I would vote for Nader if it would have any effect, but voting for Nader would be giving the Presidency over to the Republicans.

[Melanie]

If Hillary gets our nomination, I may vote for Kat Swift. She's running under the Green Party.

[THECHICKEN]

no, the people that he surrounds himself may not be perfect. And no one is perfect. He is just a man. Come on now. How many people do you know that are close to you that spew hateful stuff. I know of a few candidates out there that call Barack a 'mallate'... which is just the same as the n word. Now I refuse to talk to those people.

Oh so in other words you chose not to associate with them?

[Mommy]

no, the people that he surrounds himself may not be perfect. And no one is perfect. He is just a man. Come on now. How many people do you know that are close to you that spew hateful stuff. I

ya but those people don't preach to me in church. They are just stupid people my age.

[Hartmann]

My issue is that he stands behind this man. Yes it's respectable but it also shows that you have some sort of alignment with him. In his speech about it he said that he wouldn't abandon the guy just as much as he wouldn't abandon his bigoted grandmother. So is it ok to say racist remarks? To "ignore" such activity is to condone it, at least in my opinion.

The other thing that is on my mind is Obama's thoughts towards the entire Don Imus debacle in which he said that Imus should be fired and he'd never appear on his show again. To me that means Obama believes Imus is a racist or meant those remarks as racist and feels that the network should disassociate itself from him (by firing him). So, is he saying he backs what this pastor says but will never hire him?

[Inferia]

Huckabee on the issue

[impala454]

essentially what Huckabee said:
Having tolerance of an old black man = fine.
Having tolerance for a preacher who let his emotions get away from him = fine.
Bigoted and racially charged speech = not fine.

There is no way anyone can truly know whether Obama agrees with this man's statements. Obviously, as a presidential candidate he is practically required to denounce the statements, or he loses his campaign. The only thing we do know to be 100% true, is that Obama listened too and treated this man as a mentor and advisor for twenty years.

In a more extreme hypothetical, it'd be like saying Hitler was your mentor for twenty years, but you got no beef w/the jews.

[Inferia]

In a more extreme hypothetical, it'd be like saying Hitler was your mentor for twenty years, but you got no beef w/the jews.

I think extreme hypotheticals are not really realistic examples...

[impala454]

It's an analogy. Is it really that difficult to think that Obama could have some racist beliefs?

[Mommy]

I think the public is finally seeing through Obama's BS

http://www.yahoo.com/s/837014

http://www.yahoo.com/s/837015

[impala454]

Gah this is a really tough one on the democrat side. Super bitch Hillary, or black activist Obama*. Please God let McCain win...





















*KIDDING, STFU

[Mommy]

I want McCain to win, but the idea of Hillary as president doesnt scare me that much

[chook]

The past and who we associate with with haunt anyone, reguardless of race. This is probably enough to keep Obama from winning the democrat nom.

[Melanie]

or he could get a bad ass endorsement.

[jwttu]

or he could get a bad ass endorsement.

if you are referring to Bill Richardson then you are crazy, he isnt bad ass in any sense of the word

[chook]

or he could get a bad ass endorsement.

Your endorsement is pretty cool, but I think its not enough

[Melanie]

Your endorsement is pretty cool, but I think its not enough

haha thanks Chuck!

And Bill Richardson is pretty bad ass.

[Dogmeat]

[FORSAKENR320]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sq7mHHncxw...feature=related


this is the sum of american politics

[Dogmeat]

obama is a mindless cunt of epic proportions

[impala454]

some recent comments from this guy...

Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities.

and apparently obama has finally officially disowned the guy
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5739505.html

[chook]

some recent comments from this guy...

and apparently obama has finally officially disowned the guy
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5739505.html

I think it was based on the Tuskeegee Experiment. The experiement was immoral, but Wright is stuck in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Stud..._the_Negro_Male