California Court rules homeschooling illegal Options

[impala454]

http://blogs.chron.com/momhouston/2008/03/...eschooling.html

In a decision that is sending shock waves throughout the homeschooling community, the Second District Court of Appeal in Los Angeles ruled that all California students between the ages of 6 and 18 must attend either a private or public school full time until they graduate or be tutored by a credentialed teacher.

I just love it when government tries to parent other people's kids.

[Billy]

http://blogs.chron.com/momhouston/2008/03/...eschooling.html
I just love it when government tries to parent other people's kids.

For some people, they need to. Especially in California.

[Mommy]

Home school is sometimes used as an excuse to not have to worry about school at all. I agree with it, as long as the government never touches private schools.

[impala454]

For some people, they need to. Especially in California.

That'd be fine... if they were doing it for "some people" and not "all people".

[Billy]

That'd be fine... if they were doing it for "some people" and not "all people".

Don't live in california.

[Seeker]

Home school is sometimes used as an excuse to not have to worry about school at all. I agree with it, as long as the government never touches private schools.

So because a few families abuse homeschool that means the other 95% have to be punished too?

People need to learn that just because they're biased one way or the other doesn't mean that every one else has to agree with you and do the same exact thing.

On a side note I wouldn't even have to point this out had you been homeschooled instead of brain-washed in public school to believe that everyone different from you is wrong.

[Mommy]

Hence why I said "I agree with it" and never said that everyone has to agree with me. Don't pick on me because everyone else has been arguing with you. I'm just here stating what I think.

"On a side note" I didn't go to public schools. I went to private. I have a brother who was home schooled for a year because of his schizophrenia. The private school he went to didn't have the means to accommodate him. My mom finally opted to put him in a public school which has not worked out well at all. I just think that private schools are mostly a good alternative to public.

[Seeker]

You still don't get it. You agreeing with the decision means you agree with depriving honest homeschooling families from doing homeschool, and why on Earth would you want to do that?

[Mommy]

Because I think it's wrong. I realize that normally the Spelling Bee champs are home schooled, but for the most part home schooling is just used as a way to ride the system. Do you want a bunch of dumb people entering the job market? The government isn't doing it because they are losing money (in fact, I would think that they spend less with kids being home schooled). They are most likely doing it because of the quality of education kids are getting in home: shitty.

[Seeker]

From what I recall the trend is that on average a child homeschooled does better in college than a child who went to a public/private school.

If you know of a study that says otherwise then please enlighten us with it.

[Mommy]

Ok, what you're saying is that a home schooled kid does better in college? Ok, break that down. That would only include those kids that actually WENT to college. What is the percentage of kids that are home schooled that don't even make it to college. That is what interests me.

I'm not getting involved in this statistical BS that has started between you, Cathryn and Zach lately. I can find articles, but I'm sure you can find some to support your claim too. It's pointless. I'm allowed to have my opinion, and I'm allowed to feel that my opinion should be enforced. That's what is great about America, Lance. I am not going to get into it with you.

[impala454]

Studies about homeschool vs public vs private aside, I don't think the government has any business in deciding what's best for your child.

[Melanie]

Dude, the kids that I have met that are home schooled are creepy. There is a Home School Lobby Day at the Capitol and the kids walk into our offices try talking to the Legislative Aides. Notice I said try... these kids look down the entire time and have no social skills. Poor kids. And their parents are looking at them like they are G-d's Chosen Ones.

[Psykopath]

Home schooling is great as long as it is done right.
I've met home-schooled kids that have zero social skills and met others that are the life of the party.

But I agree with the general consensus: Government, don't fuck with my kids.

[FORSAKENR320]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2_YKQGE_U...feature=related

america!!!

[THECHICKEN]

The ruling stems from a child welfare case against the Long family, who had been educating their eight children at home. The family hadn't been facing truancy charges, but the court decided to weigh in on homeschooling anyway. Obviously, there will be appeals.

This should be over-ruled by a higher court. Seems blatantly unconstitutional by interfering with a parent's right to raise their children. Completely retarded (normal for them i should say) ruling from california. If the legislature wishes to make sure that home schooled kids are up to par, they can, but the COURT acting as a legislature and making something "illegal" is ridiculous.

[Hartmann]

I was homeschooled for six years. I think I turned out ok.

Letting the government intervene into this is stupid.

[Testm0nkey]

ill agree with some of the sentiments already expressed in this thread - homeschool kids i have met are weirdos and ended up being the high paying career people who end up killing their coworkers or riding grayhound buses around the country raping children

their parents were weirdos/abusive too

[impala454]

ill agree with some of the sentiments already expressed in this thread - homeschool kids i have met are weirdos and ended up being the high paying career people who end up killing their coworkers or riding grayhound buses around the country raping children

their parents were weirdos/abusive too

So was that because they were weirdos in general or because they were homeschooled? There's plenty of weirdos out there in public/private school too.

I'm not really much of an advocate of home schooling, but it should be up to the parents to decide how to raise their child.

[fingercuffs]

The People's Republic of California

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jh...ines-in-berkley

[Inferia]

It seems like there will also be a budget cut for educators in California. I wonder how they're planning to balance all this out. I'm not sure what % is 170k extra students in Californian schools as compared to a 10% decrease in funding, but everything seem rather counter-intuitive. I feel like rulings like this will eventually get over turned. Anyway, other homeschooling news, I thought this article was rather interesting. I feel like some of the stories on it mirrors the Long's story.

In the SFgate article, it stated the judge wrote:

A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare.

I remember we had this conversation briefly in one of my social science classes, and I've always wondered about it. What is the purpose of education in this country? And what should be the purpose of education (general)? I feel like you can't ban homeschooling if you don't have a set definition of education, it just becomes the opinion of the judge that to him the above quote is the purpose of education. Likewise, the article on Muslim parents homeschooling their kids, they obviously have a different definition of education. I guess in the case of the Long's is that essentially they were fired for being poor teachers, so perhaps their biggest mistake is not joining an union.

[chook]

ill agree with some of the sentiments already expressed in this thread - homeschool kids i have met are weirdos and ended up being the high paying career people who end up killing their coworkers or riding grayhound buses around the country raping children

their parents were weirdos/abusive too

Did you meet them in the streets of San Francisco?

[False Dude]

that was an exaggeration and no

but definitely half heads

- testm0