Topless protest (someone changed my title, link NSFW Options

[chook]

(NSFW Link)

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/DJQuQEH/Top...-campaign-party

[Timbo]

You know, I watch this, and I begin to experience the reticent, niggling judgmental side that exists in all of us to some degree. And I keep thinking, what the hell Americans. Can somebody please explain to be a reasonable concern that exists with topless women? And I'm even referring to its "effects" on children. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why seemingly scores of janissary Americans hold that a naked boob somehow merits the same scale of outrage reserved for mass genocide.

Not looking for "welp, that's the way it is" or "yeah, people are stupid >:|" comments or any of that nature. I'm actually rather curious why this is somehow a problem. You can also cite Puritanism, if you like, but I'm talking more modern. I dunno, feels like a country waiting to bloody well grow up.

Nice tits, though.

ITALIA

[Dogmeat]

people who go to protests should kill themselves.

[Psykopath]

people who go to protests should kill themselves.

Because protesting is unAmerican, right?

[Dogmeat]

Because protesting is unAmerican, right?

No, it's just fucking stupid

"RAH RAH RAH! ROAR ROAR ROAR! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRR!!!!!!"

....

*time goes on* ....

....... nothing happens...

Oooooooooooooooooooooook .....

Protests, protesting, is mob mentality at it's finest. It's a bunch of people who probably don't have clue fucking one what is +REALLY+ happening having their emotions dicatated to them by fear-mongering politicians.

It's pretty rediculous if you asked me.

[Timbo]

Nah, we just do it wrong. Gotta take a lesson from the French and start overturning some cars.

Setting fires optional.

T

[Psykopath]

No, it's just fucking stupid

"RAH RAH RAH! ROAR ROAR ROAR! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRR!!!!!!"

....

*time goes on* ....

....... nothing happens...

Oooooooooooooooooooooook .....

Protests, protesting, is mob mentality at it's finest. It's a bunch of people who probably don't have clue fucking one what is +REALLY+ happening having their emotions dicatated to them by fear-mongering politicians.

It's pretty rediculous if you asked me.

Protesting of the modern era in America is, for the most part, a mob-mentality/trust-fund hippie venture...this is true.

But protesting as a means of political action is in no way stupid.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 1 2008, 07:14 PM

[Spectatrix]

I think protesting is a less effective means of accomplishing political goals than other options. If protesters merely contacted their congressmen and representatives instead, I feel they would be far more effective.

[Psykopath]

I think protesting is a less effective means of accomplishing political goals than other options. If protesters merely contacted their congressmen and representatives instead, I feel they would be far more effective.

Think that would've worked during the Civil Rights era?

[FORSAKENR320]

i love the smell of rape and looting in the morning

[Spectatrix]

Think that would've worked during the Civil Rights era?

I mean in the modern era. Obviously there are circumstances under which protesting is more effective.

[chook]

You know, I watch this, and I begin to experience the reticent, niggling judgmental side that exists in all of us to some degree. And I keep thinking, what the hell Americans. Can somebody please explain to be a reasonable concern that exists with topless women? And I'm even referring to its "effects" on children. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why seemingly scores of janissary Americans hold that a naked boob somehow merits the same scale of outrage reserved for mass genocide.

Not looking for "welp, that's the way it is" or "yeah, people are stupid >:|" comments or any of that nature. I'm actually rather curious why this is somehow a problem. You can also cite Puritanism, if you like, but I'm talking more modern. I dunno, feels like a country waiting to bloody well grow up.

Nice tits, though.

ITALIA

so you don't like tits?

[Timbo]

so you don't like tits?

Methinks the young laddypooh needs reading glasses in his old age

[Dogmeat]

Protesting of the modern era in America is, for the most part, a mob-mentality/trust-fund hippie venture...this is true.

But protesting as a means of political action is in no way stupid.

I can't think of one gain protests, protesters, and protesting has ever made.

Except for getting a bunch of fucking hippies shot or run over by bulldozers or some shit ...

[Psykopath]

I can't think of one gain protests, protesters, and protesting has ever made.

Except for getting a bunch of fucking hippies shot or run over by bulldozers or some shit ...

you...you are joking, right?

[Dogmeat]

you...you are joking, right?

no, I'm not.

what has protesting in the last 30 years accomplished that wouldn't have happened anyways without the protests?

What has the government done as a result of protests that actually had some effect on our lives?

[The Fanatic]

Vietnam?

[rabble]

What the fuck...You people are fucking idiots.

[FORSAKENR320]

Vietnam?

what did those protests change?

[Dogmeat]

Vietnam?

Protesting did not stop the Vietnam war.

If you recall, Nixon capitlized on it to get elected, then nothing happened.

It ended as it would have regardless of all the protests.

[FORSAKENR320]

Protesting did not stop the Vietnam war.

If you recall, Nixon capitlized on it to get elected, then nothing happened.

It ended as it would have regardless of all the protests.

protesting DID change one thing.... it gave a group of granola eating pretentious faggots a fashion statement to live by today.....

bunch of dumb fuck trustafarian fashion statement hippies who hate capitalism but will only drink Starbucks coffee and use Mac computers

[Spectatrix]

Starbucks sucks.

But Macs are alright.

[Dogmeat]

Starbucks sucks.

But Macs are alright.

Yeah as soon as they switched over to a BSD-based operating system and stopped using the cherished Motorola processors

And yet they still sick

Seriously, Apple computers are like Volkswagens ... everyone is like 'OoooOOOooOOhhhh! AaaAAAaAAAhhhh!!! Wonderous TECHNOLOGY!!!" but the fact remains that if they were really that great everyone would be driving one

[Psykopath]

Protesting did not stop the Vietnam war.

If you recall, Nixon capitlized on it to get elected, then nothing happened.

It ended as it would have regardless of all the protests.

You think the protesting didn't have even the slightest impact on that war?

Wow...well, ok then...How about Civil Rights protests? Those change anything?

[Dogmeat]

You think the protesting didn't have even the slightest impact on that war?

Wow...well, ok then...How about Civil Rights protests? Those change anything?

The civil rights protests, meaning the million man march and the like, probably did.

However, that was also basically the mother of all protests.

A bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off whining about how horrible life is for something to do hasn't really ever changed a god damned thing, has it?

[Psykopath]

The civil rights protests, meaning the million man march and the like, probably did.

However, that was also basically the mother of all protests.

A bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off whining about how horrible life is for something to do hasn't really ever changed a god damned thing, has it?

*sigh*
Tell you what.

You win.

Let's go protest against protesting.
Fuck the First Amendment in general! I don't agree with what those hippie tree-huggers have to say, so they shouldn't be free to say it. Now if they want to talk GOOD about war, eliminating alternative fuels and ONLY focusing on the finite wonder oil, executing the mentally retarded, or whatever extremist right-wing bullshit you shove up you cock by the hour...then that's A-OK~!! But ANYTHING that challenges MY personal views is not only WRONG, but it should be outright banned for hurting the "common" good.

[Dogmeat]

*sigh*
Tell you what.

You win.

Let's go protest against protesting.
Fuck the First Amendment in general! I don't agree with what those hippie tree-huggers have to say, so they shouldn't be free to say it. Now if they want to talk GOOD about war, eliminating alternative fuels and ONLY focusing on the finite wonder oil, executing the mentally retarded, or whatever extremist right-wing bullshit you shove up you cock by the hour...then that's A-OK~!! But ANYTHING that challenges MY personal views is not only WRONG, but it should be outright banned for hurting the "common" good.

Zach, I've never once stated, or implied, "Fuck the First Amendment in general!"

I have however, said that protesting in and of itself is largley ineffective, and overall, pretty fucking stupid IMO.

I understand it's a first amendment right. That's fine, and I've never implied that it isn't. Just because it's a first amendment right, and probably even ... I don't know what's the other amendment that allows public gatherings and shit? I can't remember the number of that one. Anyways, I've never implied that it should be banned.

Please, show me where i've said protesting should be banned.

I've said I think it's fucking retarded, but did I say ban it? Nope, never.

[Psykopath]

Zach, I've never once stated, or implied, "Fuck the First Amendment in general!"

I have however, said that protesting in and of itself is largley ineffective, and overall, pretty fucking stupid IMO.

I understand it's a first amendment right. That's fine, and I've never implied that it isn't. Just because it's a first amendment right, and probably even ... I don't know what's the other amendment that allows public gatherings and shit? I can't remember the number of that one. Anyways, I've never implied that it should be banned.

Please, show me where i've said protesting should be banned.

I've said I think it's fucking retarded, but did I say ban it? Nope, never.

Sorry. I just get tiffed when people blatantly disrespect basic rights.

And when you said it hasn't accomplished anything...yeah, couldn't believe my eyes for a bit.

But it's cool.

Now, back to talking about Christine and cumsluts sextits!

[Dogmeat]

Sorry. I just get tiffed when people blatantly disrespect basic rights.

And when you said it hasn't accomplished anything...yeah, couldn't believe my eyes for a bit.

But it's cool.

Now, back to talking about Christine and cumsluts sextits!

OH SNAP!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE FIRST POLITICAL RPG'ER TO GET HIT WITH THE "USE EMOTIONAL LOGIC IN AN INTERNET POLITICAL ARGUMENT AND LOSE - Cuddle with Cathryn until you eat Tofu and barf it up -10 modifier to charisma!" PENALTY!!!!!!!!

haha

but seriously, what has protesting seriously accomplished? I want to see what a direct result of fat bitches with their shirts off, trust fund babies griping about how horrible the same system that is propping them up is, etc ..

The protests in Tienneman Square accomplished nothing, etc...

If protests worked, we wouldn't have terrorism would we?

Seriously, I don't see where it's accomplished much ...

[chook]

Yeah as soon as they switched over to a BSD-based operating system and stopped using the cherished Motorola processors

And yet they still sick

Seriously, Apple computers are like Volkswagens ... everyone is like 'OoooOOOooOOhhhh! AaaAAAaAAAhhhh!!! Wonderous TECHNOLOGY!!!" but the fact remains that if they were really that great everyone would be driving one

I remember some mac fiend telling me how its a RISC based processor along time ago, and blah blah blah.


I was really hoping For Sextits or something!

[Dogmeat]

I remember some mac fiend telling me how its a RISC based processor along time ago, and blah blah blah.
I was really hoping For Sextits or something!

the 386 could have been considered a "RISC" processor back then ...

heh ..

The motorola chips of the 90's used something like 5 times as much memory to perform the same instructions as the intel chips did ..

I'm not sure what happened when they switched over to the PPC chips (weren't those IBM?) as I really stopped caring at that point ...

[Psykopath]

OH SNAP!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE FIRST POLITICAL RPG'ER TO GET HIT WITH THE "USE EMOTIONAL LOGIC IN AN INTERNET POLITICAL ARGUMENT AND LOSE - Cuddle with Cathryn until you eat Tofu and barf it up -10 modifier to charisma!" PENALTY!!!!!!!!

haha

but seriously, what has protesting seriously accomplished? I want to see what a direct result of fat bitches with their shirts off, trust fund babies griping about how horrible the same system that is propping them up is, etc ..

The protests in Tienneman Square accomplished nothing, etc...

If protests worked, we wouldn't have terrorism would we?

Seriously, I don't see where it's accomplished much ...

It's accomplished plenty. See: civil rights as the BIGGEST example (which you seem to off and on ignore).
Seriously.

[impala454]

the 386 could have been considered a "RISC" processor back then ...

heh ..

The motorola chips of the 90's used something like 5 times as much memory to perform the same instructions as the intel chips did ..

I'm not sure what happened when they switched over to the PPC chips (weren't those IBM?) as I really stopped caring at that point ...

yeah its all intel now. so much for powerpc and all the other "different" hardware they tried to use.

[impala454]

It's accomplished plenty. See: civil rights as the BIGGEST example (which you seem to off and on ignore).
Seriously.

Definitely true. Now what else?

[Psykopath]

Definitely true. Now what else?

Vietnam War.
The protests DID have an affect on this war, regardless of Dogmeat believes.
They helped bring to light growing public oppostion to the conflict, something politicians were unknowingly or knowingly blind to. (Same could be said for some of the Anti-Iraq protests)


To Dogmeat and Impala:
You both see protesting as ineffective.

What is the alternative method(s) of political action that you would both suggest?

[chook]

Definitely true. Now what else?

some people could say that homosexuals pushing for equal rights is the same as the 60's civil rights movement.

[The Fanatic]

Starbucks coffee is horrible. I drink my coffee black and theirs always tastes bitter and burnt to me (shrugs).

[FORSAKENR320]

impala, dogmeat, what zach is trying to say is that protesting done right and effectively is a very good means to show the higher powers they need to rethink something.


zach, what i think impala and dogmeat are trying to say is that protesting done like it is normally done, with a bunch of dumbasses who know nothing about the basis of the protest in question showing up to make a scene and play hacky-sack is by and large completely ineffective



like communism, protesting looks really good on paper. put into practice, it's usually only half-assed, at best

[impala454]

impala, dogmeat, what zach is trying to say is that protesting done right and effectively is a very good means to show the higher powers they need to rethink something.
zach, what i think impala and dogmeat are trying to say is that protesting done like it is normally done, with a bunch of dumbasses who know nothing about the basis of the protest in question showing up to make a scene and play hacky-sack is by and large completely ineffective
like communism, protesting looks really good on paper. put into practice, it's usually only half-assed, at best

thanks man I think you pretty much wrapped that up.

What is the alternative method(s) of political action that you would both suggest?

IMHO protesting is less effective than writing in or calling your representatives. The problem is, people want instant personal gratification. They want to be in the limelight so they can say it was specifically them who made the difference. That just doesn't happen in our system of government. Twenty people protesting outside a senator's office isn't going to change his decision about some legislation. If you look at the two successful protesting examples in this thread, they involved millions of people over a pretty good span of time. But IMHO what made those successful isn't the fact that they protested, but the fact that they had very large numbers.

[Oasis]

Protest The Hero is awesome. Not sure how relevant that is to the argument though

[Dogmeat]

It's accomplished plenty. See: civil rights as the BIGGEST example (which you seem to off and on ignore).
Seriously.

I conceded several posts above that events such as the Million Man March got Washington's attention.

This is the only example that has been provided hence far.

I've stated that I think protesting in and of itself (as I stated exactly above) was largley ineffective and stupid.

So again I ask, how does a bunch of idiot college kids and fat bitches with their shirts off griping about shit they've been scared into beleiving solve any kind of political problem?

[Oasis]

Fine

A few years back, a bunch of spics held protests at local high schools over the planned border closing. Many were arrested and given truancy tickets for walking out of school. The subsequent protests defending the kids (or, as I like to call them, criminals) who were arrested were so large and disruptive that the county dropped the truancy charges.

So yeah, protesting works. Rarely, but sometimes

[Psykopath]

Protesting is a means of action when other avenues (writing, calling your representative for example) have been ignored or pushed aside. It provides a more public display of grievances in order to draw attention to certain issues in the hopes of, yes, more swift action.

Yes, a lot of protesting that goes on is by a bunch of dimwit pot smoking losers that probably consider it a social hangout moreso than supporting whatever cause it is about.

Protesting is an institution of a democratic system that I support 100%. Whether it is effective all the time or not, simply being able to protest any injustice is a great freedom that should not be shunned.

[impala454]

Protesting is a means of action when other avenues (writing, calling your representative for example) have been ignored or pushed aside.

Totally agreed, but how many protesters out there do you think really wrote their congressman? The problem is someone finds ten other people who think the way they do, and think they're going to make some difference by staging a protest. It's all about the numbers IMHO. They way to truly change something and make a difference is to organize and have enough numbers to either influence your representatives or get the ones you want in office elected (i.e. ACLU, NRA, NAACP, etc)

[Psykopath]

Totally agreed, but how many protesters out there do you think really wrote their congressman? The problem is someone finds ten other people who think the way they do, and think they're going to make some difference by staging a protest. It's all about the numbers IMHO. They way to truly change something and make a difference is to organize and have enough numbers to either influence your representatives or get the ones you want in office elected (i.e. ACLU, NRA, NAACP, etc)

I'm not talking about those nickel-and-dime drum-circle protests. =P

And I fully agree with the second bolded part.

[Hartmann]

Vietnam War.
The protests DID have an affect on this war, regardless of Dogmeat believes.
They helped bring to light growing public oppostion to the conflict, something politicians were unknowingly or knowingly blind to. (Same could be said for some of the Anti-Iraq protests)
To Dogmeat and Impala:
You both see protesting as ineffective.

What is the alternative method(s) of political action that you would both suggest?

I see most protesting as ineffective for most issues. The reason it worked during Vietnam is because you had an entire age group completely against the war because they didn't want to go.

I'm not sure the Civil Rights protesting had any positive effects besides MLK's speeches. Instead the rioting and protesting in Detroit and places of the like created more chaos and made the African American population look bad as a whole (IMO).

Personally, the silent protests and people who take action have more of an impact than those who loudly protest and proclaim something as wrong.

[Dogmeat]

I am going to ruffel many feathers here ..

Los Angeles, 1992.

Would you call that a protest, or an act of terrorism?

Whatever it was, it got the local judicial system to re-try two of the officers and convict them based on popular beleif ...

[Spectatrix]

I am going to ruffel many feathers here ..

I'll say. What atrocious spelling! I'm quite offended!

[Dogmeat]

I'll say. What atrocious spelling! I'm quite offended!

You should cuddle with me so that I may absorb some spelling skills ....

[Psykopath]

I see most protesting as ineffective for most issues. The reason it worked during Vietnam is because you had an entire age group completely against the war because they didn't want to go.

I'm not sure the Civil Rights protesting had any positive effects besides MLK's speeches. Instead the rioting and protesting in Detroit and places of the like created more chaos and made the African American population look bad as a whole (IMO).

Personally, the silent protests and people who take action have more of an impact than those who loudly protest and proclaim something as wrong.

exactly...it's still a form of protest, which is what I'm arguing for.

[Dogmeat]

exactly...it's still a form of protest, which is what I'm arguing for.

But what is a silent protest? Explain this to me.

[Psykopath]

But what is a silent protest? Explain this to me.

A gathering of people for a common cause that attempt to bring notice to their particular issue by numbers and non-violent civil disobedience.
See "sit-ins" as a similar example.

[Dogmeat]

A gathering of people for a common cause that attempt to bring notice to their particular issue by numbers and non-violent civil disobedience.
See "sit-ins" as a similar example.

Ok, so what has this form of protest accomplished?

[Hartmann]

A gathering of people for a common cause that attempt to bring notice to their particular issue by numbers and non-violent civil disobedience.
See "sit-ins" as a similar example.

But silent protests can be people taking action quietly, such as those who choose to not carry their groceries in plastic bags, instead bringing their own to the grocery store. They don't tell people they have to or yell at them or hold up signs, they lead by example. People take notice.

[impala454]

yeah silent protest != hippies sitting around refusing to leave, or some jackass camping out in front of some tree so it doesn't get bulldozed.

[FORSAKENR320]

Ok, so what has this form of protest accomplished?

this keeps the common goal of the protest insight, instead of everyone developing mob mentality and resorting to looting. the second someone starts looting or breaking down the basic laws of society (don't rape, kill, or steal) the protest has lost it's purpose, and will not sway anyone's opinion in the high powers.

silent protesting and passive aggressive actions such as sit ins are the basis of success during the civil rights movements

[Psykopath]

Ok, so what has this form of protest accomplished?

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?

yeah silent protest != hippies sitting around refusing to leave

Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

[Dogmeat]

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?
Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

If it's so obvious what silent protesting is and what it's accomplished you should be able to explain this to me off the top of your head quite easily. I'm not the one with the political science degree, you are. I'm assuming this shouldn't be a stretch for you by any means.

[Dogmeat]

But silent protests can be people taking action quietly, such as those who choose to not carry their groceries in plastic bags, instead bringing their own to the grocery store. They don't tell people they have to or yell at them or hold up signs, they lead by example. People take notice.

So is this silent action or protest ....?

[Psykopath]

If it's so obvious what silent protesting is and what it's accomplished you should be able to explain this to me off the top of your head quite easily. I'm not the one with the political science degree, you are. I'm assuming this shouldn't be a stretch for you by any means.

Silent protest:

Students in a classroom are opposed to an overly strict absentee policy. They all skip class by standing outside the classroom, with the obvious intent being that they won't return to the classroom unless the policy is changed.

Students are opposed to Bush speaking at their campus.
They go to the rally wearing, let's say...shirts with the Democratic donkey on them and are quiet as church mice, never once applauding or anything.

Little stuff, like that.

[Dogmeat]

Silent protest:

Students in a classroom are opposed to an overly strict absentee policy. They all skip class by standing outside the classroom, with the obvious intent being that they won't return to the classroom unless the policy is changed.

Students are opposed to Bush speaking at their campus.
They go to the rally wearing, let's say...shirts with the Democratic donkey on them and are quiet as church mice, never once applauding or anything.

Little stuff, like that.

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

[Psykopath]

Ok, so what was the goal of these silent protests and did they accomplish these goals?

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.


Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 4 2008, 11:01 PM

[chook]

Dammit, Zach did you change the title of the topic? I wouldn't mind changing it if Spex sent a message to me directly like we were supposed to do things.

[Psykopath]

Dammit, Zach did you change the title of the topic? I wouldn't mind changing it if Spex sent a message to me directly like we were supposed to do things.

Wasn't me.

[impala454]

Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

I already agreed with you on the example of black people's protesting working. I clearly stated an example of the type of protest I was referring to.

[impala454]

1.) Yes, we got the professor to understand that a severe illness or an unforeseen emergency can cause someone to miss class and that a "zero-tolerance" policy on attendance is a bit too harsh.

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.

2.) Yes, the group accomplishes its goal of showing Bush that not everyone supports him.
Goals can be big or they can be small. Doesn't really matter, protesting is a form of political participation.

Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

[Psykopath]

So protest is an effective means of change in our country because you and some classmates stood outside like little babies crying about how the professor treats you. Reminds me of some little toddler who misbehaves until mommy buys him the toy he wants. My guess is your professor caved bc he didnt feel like dealing with it and wanted yall to quit actin like little kids and get the hell in the classroom. That's not making change, it's throwing a tantrum so you can get what you want.
Show someone you don't support them by going and listening to them speak and *gasp* not cheering. Damn that is genius! I'm sure Bush was terribly distraught and practically ready to throw in the towel on his career as a politician after that!

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.
Hell, hundreds of thousands marched against shrub's war, and he still didn't care.


Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

[pysex]

oh my dear lord


why is this 4 pages of dogmeat/impala vs. zach....



protests have an influence when they're done right...

otherwise they're just stupid

bunch of asshats dancing around in the streets

[Dogmeat]

All I stated that started this whole thing was that I didn't think protesting was effective and was stupid. I fail to see how a bunch of fat bitches with their shirts off ranting about something is effective and NOT stupid.

This effectivley makes me a fascist I guess

[impala454]

The "we" was an in general statement.
Never said it was me or that it was real. But hey, assumptions rock for you, that's cool.

Mmmk... "Hey guys, we went to the ball game." Oh, but I didn't really go, I just made that up, you're a dumbass for assuming I was really talking about me and an experience I had.

And hey, like I said: protests come in all shapes and sizes. The hypothetical (guess I should have stated this in the beginning, but I thought it was assumed...oh well) goal was accomplished: show that not everyone agrees with the president.

Your hypothetical protest didn't accomplish anything. Unless you think there are people stupid enough to have the notion that "everyone agrees with the president". And even if there were people stupid enough to believe that, someone going to the president's speech with a democrat shirt on won't change anything.

Meh, I tire of this. You and Aaron feel protesting is not effective. That's fine, your opinion. It obviously has been, and will be again should the circumstances call for it. I'm just glad I live in a country were protesting, for better or worse, is allowed.

We've had two examples of successful protesting, and in those cases I'd call it more of a movement as per the number of people involved. The protesting Aaron and I are talking about are the other 99% of protests that occur. Some dipshits picketing outside abortion clinics harassing people as they go in, people taking off work to camp out at Bush's house because they're against the war. They're fruitless wastes of time and money. There's too many people out there nowadays who do nothing but speak out against something they don't like, rather than speak out for something. I suppose its easiest for a weak mind to be against something rather than for the opposite thing.

[Mommy]

I don't really see where silent protest does much either... Unless it's already a very controversial issue with other things going on as well. With the example of MLK JR., there were other things going on at that time that contributed to his success.

In your example, Zach, students protesting like that would just piss administration off. When young people do things like that, it just looks ignorant. Be at class. It's not hard. *shrug* thats my thoughts.

[Billy]

This is ridiculous...read a god damned history book covering the last 50 years in America.
Are you really this fucking dense or is it just the e-Dogmeat thing?
Yeah, damn those hippies, like those in the south.
They should have been happy in the back of the bus or eating at home instead of restaurants!

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

[impala454]

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

Like I've said before, once you see a person start attacking the debaters instead of the words or the topic, it's pretty obvious you've expended your arguments or don't have any worthy rebuttals. At least Psykopath will either agree to disagree or tell you he's tired of the topic. Shows your level of intelligence IMHO.

[Dogmeat]

How can you argue on techsans when 50% of the people you're arguing with don't know how to read a sentence and understand what the text means put together?

Unless you're just throwing shit out there and watching to see what the morons do. It's usually funny but I think I'm just starting to feel sad for people.

I've read what he's wrote just fine, I think he just assumed I was insinuating something I wasn't.

[Psykopath]

oh my dear lord
why is this 4 pages of dogmeat/impala vs. zach....
protests have an influence when they're done right...

otherwise they're just stupid

bunch of asshats dancing around in the streets

This.




God damn, Impala/Dogmeat...you two have made me hate the fucking internet.

Well, at least there's still porn!



And yeah, damn...4 pages. WTF, were we all really this bored?
So... Impala: Sticky-noted anymore cars?
Dogmeat: felt up any promiscuous Mormon vaginal goo-pockets lately?

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 5 2008, 03:16 PM

[impala454]

we need to do something outside the rest of the damn day... we just threw the football outside and its 10 degrees COOLER because the damn HVAC in our building is broken and has the effing heater on when it's 70 outside.

[FORSAKENR320]

oh my dear lord
why is this 4 pages of dogmeat/impala vs. zach....
protests have an influence when they're done right...

otherwise they're just stupid

bunch of asshats dancing around in the streets

thats what i said... everyone agreed... then they went right back to argueing....

[Psykopath]

thats what i said... everyone agreed... then they went right back to arguing....

But isn't that why Techsans exists ?

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 5 2008, 04:29 PM

[impala454]

would get pretty boring if everyone agreed.

"Topic"
"Hey check this out, I think blah blah blah"
"OMG me too"
"yeah definitely"
"cool"
"mmk catchyalater"

[FORSAKENR320]

But isn't that why Techsans exists ?

get on aim you nigger

[Dogmeat]

get on aim you nigger

How dare you, a white male ages 18-35, use the word NIGGER!

I take offense to this word!

I hereby proclaim that you must never use this word again and must now refer to those you once would refer to as "Nigger" as "Proud, Strong Black Man".

REPENT! JESUS WILL WARM YOUR PLANET IF YOU DONT!!!!

[Psykopath]

Fuck me, Amadeus.

[Dogmeat]

Fuck me, Amadeus.

You don't have poofy enough hair or enough cocaine for that to happen.

[Psykopath]

Fuck me, Amadeus.

.

[Dogmeat]

Pies....

[pysex]

diarrhea pocket

[impala454]

How dare you, a white male ages 18-35, use the word NIGGER!

I take offense to this word!

I hereby proclaim that you must never use this word again and must now refer to those you once would refer to as "Nigger" as "Proud, Strong Black Man".

REPENT! JESUS WILL WARM YOUR PLANET IF YOU DONT!!!!

"OK OK OK I'm sorry, will you hand me the oar, N-word Jim?"

diarrhea pocket

fruit good cake awesome, fruitcake piece of crap