Is this reasonable? Options

[pebkac]

So as I posted before, I'm taking Desrosiers for CS 1412. He's a dick.

Each week in lab we have a quiz. And the questions are usually either based on sheer memorization and usually pretty stupid. Last time in lab, the question was to write a program in PEN AND PAPER to use a SortedList (a generic class in C#) to do some stuff. No access to the book or MSDN either. He didn't cover it in lecture, it isn't in the assigned reading, but it was in a set of code samples he gave us (among 10 other samples). When the TA passed the quiz around, I saw a look of puzzlement amongst my fellow students. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who had no clue what to do here. In fact, literally half the lab cheated and looked things up on MSDN while the TA wasn't looking. I didn't, but I don't really blame the students that did.

Each week, the quiz is something more ridiculous than the one before it. And every time the quiz grades come back terrible, he blames us and tells us we need to read more.

Does anyone have any advice for me here? I could talk to Desrosiers, but I honestly don't know that it would do any good. Has anyone had much luck going over their professor's head and talking to the dept chair or anything of that nature?

[Hartmann]

So as I posted before, I'm taking Desrosiers for CS 1412. He's a dick.

Each week in lab we have a quiz. And the questions are usually either based on sheer memorization and usually pretty stupid. Last time in lab, the question was to write a program in PEN AND PAPER to use a SortedList (a generic class in C#) to do some stuff. No access to the book or MSDN either. He didn't cover it in lecture, it isn't in the assigned reading, but it was in a set of code samples he gave us (among 10 other samples). When the TA passed the quiz around, I saw a look of puzzlement amongst my fellow students. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who had no clue what to do here. In fact, literally half the lab cheated and looked things up on MSDN while the TA wasn't looking. I didn't, but I don't really blame the students that did.

Each week, the quiz is something more ridiculous than the one before it. And every time the quiz grades come back terrible, he blames us and tells us we need to read more.

Does anyone have any advice for me here? I could talk to Desrosiers, but I honestly don't know that it would do any good. Has anyone had much luck going over their professor's head and talking to the dept chair or anything of that nature?

Take an example of the quiz and the assigned reading list to them maybe?

[impala454]

D is one of those asshats who has about zero real world experience. Making CS students take quizzes and tests about specific code and such without access to references is downright stupid. If I didn't have internet access or MSDN, or at least some books, I'd be absolutely worthless to my company.

That said, I do feel that pseudocode tests and such are very good.

Honestly, the only professors there I had for CS/EE classes that had good real world experience that brought that to the classroom, was Dr Helm (mostly EE now I think, taught my CS ADP class), and Dr Cooke (duh).

[Hartmann]

D is one of those asshats who has about zero real world experience. Making CS students take quizzes and tests about specific code and such without access to references is downright stupid. If I didn't have internet access or MSDN, or at least some books, I'd be absolutely worthless to my company.

Exactly. I hated this.

In the "real world" we use whatever resources we can find. The ability to gather and sift through information is a great skill.

[Seeker]

I'm glad I got out of there before Desrosiers started teaching in the department

i've heard the horror stories

[impala454]

He started teaching in the department long before you got out of there.

[Seeker]

all i know is i didn't have to take him for 1412/1413 which back then it was 1462/1463

i almost ended up taking him for scientific computing as a senior until i came to my senses, and i thought he was new to the department then cause i had never heard of him

[chook]

Dr D is a former ChemE and a jerk. He applies how you deal with ChemE to CS.

[Dogmeat]

He is a lool.

[koreanp1e]

easy. transfer out of tech and get some real education.

[impala454]

Yeah because there aren't asshole professors at other universities. What a stupid fuckin thing to say.

[Oasis]

easy. transfer out of tech and get some real education.

Judging from your constant assault on the English language, I can tell whatever school you transferred to was stellar academically

[koreanp1e]

I'm sorry. I graduated from Tech and now pursuing grad study else where. Although tech has some good professors, from my personal experience, there are better educational experiences one can have by transferring out of tech and going to other places. I am glad I got out. Simply because I am learning something more exciting than regurgitating materials without clear understanding of first principles, which lots of department at tech do in their academic curricula.

if you aren't happy with what I said, deal with it.
don't weagle off 'ye who don't spak engrish need to shut your hole' card at me.

[impala454]

I'm sorry. I graduated from Tech and now pursuing grad study else where. Although tech has some good professors, from my personal experience, there are better educational experiences one can have by transferring out of tech and going to other places. I am glad I got out. Simply because I am learning something more exciting than regurgitating materials without clear understanding of first principles, which lots of department at tech do in their academic curricula.

if you aren't happy with what I said, deal with it.
don't weagle off 'ye who don't spak engrish need to shut your hole' card at me.

How about you don't get your panties in a wad when you get razzed after dissing Texas Tech on a fucking Texas Tech message board full of Texas Tech students & graduates. mmmk?

[Mommy]

I'm sorry. I graduated from Tech and now pursuing grad study else where. Although tech has some good professors, from my personal experience, there are better educational experiences one can have by transferring out of tech and going to other places. I am glad I got out. Simply because I am learning something more exciting than regurgitating materials without clear understanding of first principles, which lots of department at tech do in their academic curricula.

if you aren't happy with what I said, deal with it.
don't weagle off 'ye who don't spak engrish need to shut your hole' card at me.

elsewhere is 1 word

[cmac]

numbers zero through nine should be spelled out.....





edit: kidding. obviously...

This post has been edited by cmac: Mar 20 2008, 11:02 AM

[Epic]

i got a great education from Texas Tech, from a respectable and nationally recognized philosophy department and a decently ranked English department. Not sure how transfering out and possibly losing credits could have benefited me.

I work in education, and I've come across a reality backed up for a study in every research journal I read. Unless you're entering into a specific science field, medicine, or high-stakes corporate law, where you get your degree is meaningless as long as it is accredited. No point in going $80,000.00 into debt to be a teacher.

[Mommy]

Unless you are seeking what Blue said, college in general is the biggest waste of fucking money ever. You pay $30,000+ to put that you have a degree on your resume.

On a side note, Blue, I thought the Philosophy Dept. at Tech was on nationally recognized on the graduate level?

[Epic]

We are a top 10 master's only program, but we are also distinguished for the program in general, both in student work, faculty work, and other program accomplishments. Thanks in part to certain professors pushing to get students approved to present at regional and national conferences.

[Mommy]

Well, let me say that Dr. Schaller is the absolute worst professor I have ever had in my student experience. I don't know if you ever had Sarah Chant...she taught there as a guest professor (or whatever they are called) for 2 semesters...best professor ever...and they let her go on to Florida State for a permanent position there. Curzer is a good professor. Webb is pretty good too. I didn't really find anyone extraordinarily compelling though besides Chant and perhaps Curzer

[koreanp1e]

elsewhere is 1 word

apparently, you forgot to put '.' at the end of your sentence.

[Epic]

yeah, schaller is a dick, but he's easy to nail to the floor. And don't take this too personally, but you get out of it what you put in. Since you rushed through to finish early, i doubt you got out of the program what I, and others did, so I saw the nuances on how we were accomplished.

[koreanp1e]

How about you don't get your panties in a wad when you get razzed after dissing Texas Tech on a fucking Texas Tech message board full of Texas Tech students & graduates. mmmk?

I can say whatever I want to say about my former school since I got my degree there.
If my honesty hurts you so much, you need to grow up.

[impala454]

Unless you are seeking what Blue said, college in general is the biggest waste of fucking money ever. You pay $30,000+ to put that you have a degree on your resume.

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you telling me you think someone without a degree can go up against someone with one and get hired? We've got salesmen here with "bullshit" degrees like general business or economics or whatever, who pull in six figures easily. Granted not all business majors get jobs like that, but I know guys with business degrees who are making mid 40s two years out of school. Not to mention school loan interest rates are laughably low.

I'm not saying you can't make money without a degree, but it helps a ton, and saying that college in general is a waste of money is just downright stupid. Sure, it's a waste of money if you exit college and don't go get a job.

[Epic]

I think a degree is necessary for most jobs and standards of success these days. I just don't feel it matters what you major in or where you get it as long as you can think, learn quickly, and be willing to relocate haha.

[Mommy]

apparently, you forgot to put '.' at the end of your sentence.

I'm not the one on the intelligence trip to prove that I'm smarter because I go to a school other than Tech

[Mommy]

yeah, schaller is a dick, but he's easy to nail to the floor. And don't take this too personally, but you get out of it what you put in. Since you rushed through to finish early, i doubt you got out of the program what I, and others did, so I saw the nuances on how we were accomplished.

I think you always saw me from the outside and never got to know what my experience was like. I had several offers to do grad there because of my writing. I enjoyed the classes. I learned a lot. I got out of it what I wanted. I put in a lot to my writing, and I got out of it what I wanted... improve my writing and think on a different level. I always would get the idea that you would act like you knew me. You never did. I dont mean that in a bad way, but I only cut the program short by 2 semesters. I didnt rush my philosophy classes. I knew shortcuts in the system for the core classes. You have to remember... I started at Tech when I was 17 so even though I was young, I was still at tech a good while. I mean, I'm only at texas state for 2 semesters. I havent had anyone here telling me that Im not getting anything out of the program.. I took all the classes I needed to. Thats the way I see it.

[impala454]

I can say whatever I want to say about my former school since I got my degree there.

Sure you can say whatever you want and be a dickwad. I didn't say you couldn't. I told you don't get all butt hurt when people take offense and call you out on it when posting it to a basically all Texas Tech message board. We were discussing one professor in one department. You not liking Texas Tech doesn't have shit to do with us discussing Dr. Desrosiers from the CS department.

If my honesty hurts you so much, you need to grow up.

You come onto a message board full of Texas Tech fans, grads, etc, and talk shit about the school and education, and I'm the one that needs to grow up? I'm not hurt at all but what you said, I'm just calling you out on it because it's wrong. It's not our fault you weren't compelled to pay attention in class or needed someone to hold your hand for you to learn anything. I hope at whatever dream school you're at now (which one is that by the way?) you found some professors who will nurture you and really take you step by step through the material so you can learn something.

If you feel the need to flush your Texas Tech education down the toilet, that's fine by me, it just shows you don't know a good value when you see one. My Texas Tech education has done very well for me. I'm four years out of school and just passed the 70k mark. Pretty damned good IMHO coming from a school without a "real" education.

[Mommy]

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you telling me you think someone without a degree can go up against someone with one and get hired? We've got salesmen here with "bullshit" degrees like general business or economics or whatever, who pull in six figures easily. Granted not all business majors get jobs like that, but I know guys with business degrees who are making mid 40s two years out of school. Not to mention school loan interest rates are laughably low.

I'm not saying you can't make money without a degree, but it helps a ton, and saying that college in general is a waste of money is just downright stupid. Sure, it's a waste of money if you exit college and don't go get a job.

again, you're not understanding what Im saying. I never said that degree vs no degree. I said a degree is a waste of money except to write it on a resume. I dont think that anyone in a public state university is challenged to their full potential when 1) the state makes you learn shit you should have learned in high school and 2) there is a severe lacking i real world trainging. Major classes are too theoretical and not enough hands on. Thats just MY OPINION. Im not asking you to agree. Neither does it mean that I skated the program (like Blue has been assuming) so I didnt get the "full affect of college"...whatever that means

[Epic]

jessica, i guess i "misheard" your comments and thought you were saying your experience in the philosophy department was a negative one, if that helps understand the perspective of my post.

[Mommy]

Oh no. I had Curzer and Chant for most of my upper level classes. Webb too, and I liked him...just didn't find him extraordinary. My experience was good. I didn't like my fist impression of Kim or Nathan so I dropped their classes. Schaller and I got into it all the time, but after having him one semester, I knew better than to take him again. Then there was some other guest professor from Oxford that I had. I didn't like him much, but I learned a lot from his class. My bitter feelings toward college have always been toward the cost of school and how I feel I don't really think I got what I paid for. Same would go for any school. Looking back, I think I should have gone into the military. I have thought that for years. So, yes, I have bitter sentiments toward school (yet here I am back in school...stupid, i know), but not toward the programs I was in.

[impala454]

again, you're not understanding what Im saying. I never said that degree vs no degree. I said a degree is a waste of money except to write it on a resume. I dont think that anyone in a public state university is challenged to their full potential when 1) the state makes you learn shit you should have learned in high school and 2) there is a severe lacking i real world trainging. Major classes are too theoretical and not enough hands on. Thats just MY OPINION. Im not asking you to agree. Neither does it mean that I skated the program (like Blue has been assuming) so I didnt get the "full affect of college"...whatever that means

I dunno how I'm misunderstanding "college in general is the biggest fucking waste of money ever". You put the disclaimer "unless you're getting what blue said" which he said specific "sciences fields or corporate law."

[Mommy]

I dunno how I'm misunderstanding "college is the biggest fucking waste of money ever". You put the disclaimer "unless you're getting what blue said" which he said specific "sciences fields or corporate law."

Ok...seriously. You need to take some logic courses. I'm not meaning that in a mean way either. I just don't think you can think on a level that others can. You read things way too literally and you never read past that.

Let me explain

College is a waste of money because most fields require graduate work and beyond to fair well in salary... The obvious exceptions to that would be computer science, engineering, and possibly architecture. Oh and nursing. Therefore, in essence, most of us spent tens of thousands of dollars to take 90 hours of stuff we should have learned in high school (which is free) and only 30 hours of stuff that actually pertains to what we want to do. That's $1000 per course for our "future".... Now, if one were to major in lets just say...psychology. The average psychology major coming out of school makes less than $26,000 a year. That's horse shit. Now, is that degree a stepping stone? Yes. But it shouldn't be like that. We shouldn't have to pay $30,000 for a stepping stone to other things we are going to have to pay even more for (grad school) or low salaries we are going to have to settle for (something to write on your resume for an entry-level job that had high schools done their jobs we would have been able to do coming out of high school).

[Divergent Realit...]

architecture requires grad work, unless you want to be a cad monkey in a cubicle the rest of your life.

[impala454]

Ok...seriously. You need to take some logic courses. I'm not meaning that in a mean way either. I just don't think you can think on a level that others can. You read things way too literally and you never read past that.

Please everyone dispense with these stupid bullshit comments. "you need to learn to read" "you need to learn logic". You made a statement, "in general college is a fucking waste of money" with the exception blue mentioned about science fields. there is absolutely nothing figurative about that statement. there's no implications, other than college is a fucking waste of money. don't back out of what you said, or come back on me and act like I'm stupid or some shit and that I don't understand what you said. all you have to do is further extend your comments and admit that what you said about college being worthless is dumb, or in the least, incomplete as far as what you failed to communicate. insulting my intelligence doesn't make your comment make any more sense. Nor does any "logics course" in existence (if those even exist). maybe read your own shit and think about it before you hit the submit button.

Let me explain

College is a waste of money because most fields require graduate work and beyond to fair well in salary... The obvious exceptions to that would be computer science, engineering, and possibly architecture.

This is completely subjective and depends on what your definition of a good salary is. Like I said before, I know several people who make well into the 40s, 2-3 years out of school, with bachelors business degrees. IMHO this is a good salary. Sure, they started off at $26-28k, but you gotta prove your worth before you get paid. In ALL fields. Your definition of what a good salary may differ I dunno.

Therefore, in essence, most of us spent tens of thousands of dollars to take 90 hours of stuff we should have learned in high school

I agree with you here, but it doesn't = college being worthless. I think there's something to be said for taking some of those classes. 90 hours though? Naw... I think I had about 24 or so at most. Two english, two history, one govt, and 2-3 others.

(which is free)

You'll find out as soon as you buy a house just how "free" public schools are.

and only 30 hours of stuff that actually pertains to what we want to do.

This isn't anywhere near right either. 30 hours is how much you need for something like a minor.

That's $1000 per course for our "future".... Now, if one were to major in lets just say...psychology. The average psychology major coming out of school makes less than $26,000 a year. That's horse shit.

Why is it horse shit? What should a psychology major be paid coming out of school? $40k? $50k? $100k? What job would you do to earn that much money? I am the owner of a ________ company, tell me why I should pay you $X right out of college with a psychology degree.

Now, is that degree a stepping stone? Yes. But it shouldn't be like that. We shouldn't have to pay $30,000 for a stepping stone to other things we are going to have to pay even more for (grad school) or low salaries we are going to have to settle for (something to write on your resume for an entry-level job that had high schools done their jobs we would have been able to do coming out of high school).

Oh, so now it really comes out. You're just pissy that you didnt make booku cash right out of school, so it must be the college in general's fault, not yours. This really should be moved to the "Pussification of America" thread. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few degrees where this happens (even in engineering, just on a lesser scale). If you sit down, shut up, take your low paying job right of school, and make something of yourself, you will end up making much more, and the $30k you borrowed from the govt at 3% interest will end up being the best investment you ever made. ALL degrees are stepping stones/door openers/etc, not the end all be all of your career. Hell, after your first couple years, nobody gives a shit what degree you got or where it was from. All they care about from that point on is your experience.

[Mommy]

As stated before... no one can break a quote down like Impala.

[Epic]

one update

18 hours for a minor

30 hours for a major

[jwttu]

one update

18 hours for a minor

30 hours for a major

my minor was 21 hrs

[Epic]

i'm talking standard/average

[impala454]

As stated before... no one can break a quote down like Impala.

[Mommy]

Please everyone dispense with these stupid bullshit comments. "you need to learn to read" "you need to learn logic". You made a statement, "in general college is a fucking waste of money" with the exception blue mentioned about science fields. there is absolutely nothing figurative about that statement. there's no implications, other than college is a fucking waste of money. don't back out of what you said, or come back on me and act like I'm stupid or some shit and that I don't understand what you said. all you have to do is further extend your comments and admit that what you said about college being worthless is dumb, or in the least, incomplete as far as what you failed to communicate. insulting my intelligence doesn't make your comment make any more sense. Nor does any "logics course" in existence (if those even exist). maybe read your own shit and think about it before you hit the submit button.

logic courses do exist. I didn't back out of my statement. I stand by it. Undergrad is a waste of money

This is completely subjective and depends on what your definition of a good salary is. Like I said before, I know several people who make well into the 40s, 2-3 years out of school, with bachelors business degrees. IMHO this is a good salary. Sure, they started off at $26-28k, but you gotta prove your worth before you get paid. In ALL fields. Your definition of what a good salary may differ I dunno.

business can yield some good earnings. Most accounting majors have to have a master's though. It just depends on what kind of business you want to go into.

I agree with you here, but it doesn't = college being worthless. I think there's something to be said for taking some of those classes. 90 hours though? Naw... I think I had about 24 or so at most. Two english, two history, one govt, and 2-3 others.

The standard is 30 hours for a bachelors in arts and sciences majors...maybe 36 at max. You have to have 120 hours for those majors to graduate. The 90 hours consist of English, history, science, physical fitness, multicultural studies, foreign language, etc. I know it's different for engineering because you aren't required to take foreign language studies, but there are still at least 60 hours outside of math and your major that you have to take.

You'll find out as soon as you buy a house just how "free" public schools are.

I'm fully aware of how the school system acquires funding, thank you. Not everyone is a homeowner, though

This isn't anywhere near right either. 30 hours is how much you need for something like a minor.

Wrong... but I did forgot about minors. Minors are 18 hours (at least in arts and sciences)... subtract 18 from 90 hours... still a lot of BS

Why is it horse shit? What should a psychology major be paid coming out of school? $40k? $50k? $100k? What job would you do to earn that much money? I am the owner of a ________ company, tell me why I should pay you $X right out of college with a psychology degree.

because most people going into college are 18-19 years old and don't know that they are picking a degree that will get them no more pay than before they went to school. They aren't told that they will need a phd in that field to make money. They just think "ooo I get to pick apart people's minds"... We need to inform these people what the real world past college is like.

Oh, so now it really comes out. You're just pissy that you didnt make booku cash right out of school, so it must be the college in general's fault, not yours. This really should be moved to the "Pussification of America" thread. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are very few degrees where this happens (even in engineering, just on a lesser scale). If you sit down, shut up, take your low paying job right of school, and make something of yourself, you will end up making much more, and the $30k you borrowed from the govt at 3% interest will end up being the best investment you ever made. ALL degrees are stepping stones/door openers/etc, not the end all be all of your career. Hell, after your first couple years, nobody gives a shit what degree you got or where it was from. All they care about from that point on is your experience.

Ok, you don't know where I have worked and what I have done so quit talking like you know me. First off, I don't care about money like that. I just think its BS how much money we pay for very little having to do with our major. I'm not pissy that I don't have a job right now (need I remind you that Im pregnant and in school so a job on top of that would be a lot for me). Im not worried about the job market when I graduate. I will find what I an and work my way up just like everyone else (even those without degrees mind you.) I'm pissy that it cost me the exhorbitant amount of money that it did to acquire 2 bachelor degrees in four years.

my minor was 21 hrs

your minor was probably more because one of your classes required for it needed a pre-req

[impala454]

Straight from the 2007-2008 TTU Course Catalog:
Core Curriculum Requirements:
A. Communication: 9 hrs
-Written English: 6 hrs
-Oral (heheh): 3 hrs
B. Math: 3 hrs
C. Natural Science: 8 hrs
D. Tech & Applied Science: 3 hrs (new to me)
E. Humanities: 3 hrs
F. Visual & Perf Arts: 3 hrs
G. Social & Behavioral Sciences: 15 hrs
-US History: 6 hrs
-Poli Sci (US & TX): 6 hrs
-Individual or Group Behavior: 3 rs

minimum hrs for graduation:
CS: 123
BA various majors: 120
Architecture: 131

here's the catalog if anyone cares to look around: http://www.depts.ttu.edu/officialpublicati...2008Catalog.pdf

[Mommy]

Straight from the 2007-2008 TTU Course Catalog:
Core Curriculum Requirements:
A. Communication: 9 hrs
-Written English: 6 hrs
-Oral (heheh): 3 hrs
B. Math: 3 hrs
C. Natural Science: 8 hrs
D. Tech & Applied Science: 3 hrs (new to me)
E. Humanities: 3 hrs
F. Visual & Perf Arts: 3 hrs
G. Social & Behavioral Sciences: 15 hrs
-US History: 6 hrs
-Poli Sci (US & TX): 6 hrs
-Individual or Group Behavior: 3 rs

minimum hrs for graduation:
CS: 123
BA various majors: 120
Architecture: 131

here's the catalog if anyone cares to look around: http://www.depts.ttu.edu/officialpublicati...2008Catalog.pdf

exactly... I said for engineering it was over 60 hours of BS... that's 68 hours right there. Tech and applied sciences has always been a requirement. You may just not have noticed because you were CS and your classes applied towards that. So i guess 65 hours of BS for you. Arts and sciences need a minimum of 11 hours of foreign language also. Most have to take 12 or more though


Believe me, I know that handbook inside and out. You need 40 hours of jr/sr work to graduate. At least 120 for to graduate. I took high level core classes (like I substituted a music technology junior level class for the general class that you take for tech and applied sciences that is only fr level) that way I would meet the 40 hours faster. I made sure some of my major classes applied toward core classes. That way, at the end, I had finished all the requirements except meeting the 120 hours and I took a bunch of fun BS classes.

[impala454]

I didn't back out of my statement. I stand by it. Undergrad is a waste of money

That wasn't your statement. Your statement was that college is a waste of money. But yeah you're right, a one time investment of government money at an infanitessimal interest rate that starts out making you at least $25-30k/yr, increasing in return for the next 40 years is a waste of money. .

Most accounting majors have to have a master's though.

Is catherine sitting at your computer? What ass did you pull this idea out of?

The standard is 30 hours for a bachelors in arts and sciences majors...maybe 36 at max. You have to have 120 hours for those majors to graduate. The 90 hours consist of English, history, science, physical fitness, multicultural studies, foreign language, etc. I know it's different for engineering because you aren't required to take foreign language studies, but there are still at least 60 hours outside of math and your major that you have to take.

There is not a single degree plan in that catalog where you take 90 hrs of bullshit. Find it for me and show me the degree plan if you think this is true. No, not all of your classes will say:
CS 1234
CS 1235
CS 1236
But just because it doesnt say that doesn't mean that class doesn't pertain to your major, or a well rounded education in general. Most lay people wouldn't think physics has much to do with computer science. Well they'd be wrong. No need to go into why because it's beyond the scope of this thread.

I'm fully aware of how the school system acquires funding, thank you.

Then why would you assume public schools are "free"?

Not everyone is a homeowner, though

Unless you're living in a cardboard box, way out in the sticks, or are a senior citizen, you're living under the roof of someone who pays school taxes.

Wrong... but I did forgot about minors. Minors are 18 hours (at least in arts and sciences)...

You got me there.

subtract 18 from 90 hours... still a lot of BS

This would really depend on the major. If you have some kind of general Arts & Sciences degree, sure you might have a lot of extra general BS... it's a generalized degree. But just because I have 55 hours of "official" CS courses does not mean that 120 - 55 = 65 hrs of BS. Tons of non-CS courses which had very close ties to my major were taken.

because most people going into college are 18-19 years old and don't know that they are picking a degree that will get them no more pay than before they went to school. They aren't told that they will need a phd in that field to make money. They just think "ooo I get to pick apart people's minds"... We need to inform these people what the real world past college is like.

This is very true, and indicative of help needed at the high school & entry level college counselor level. Not to mention the BS that instructors often feed students of how much they should make upon graduation. Perceptions of making lots of money though, do not make college a waste of money.

Ok, you don't know where I have worked and what I have done so quit talking like you know me.

I didn't claim to know you, all I'm doing is reading what you have to say. If you had started off somewhere making good money you wouldn't have bitched about it two sentences above.

First off, I don't care about money like that.

If you don't, why are we having this conversation? Three sentences above you're complaining about your bachelors in psychology not making any money right out of school.

I just think its BS how much money we pay for very little having to do with our major. I'm not pissy that I don't have a job right now (need I remind you that Im pregnant and in school so a job on top of that would be a lot for me). Im not worried about the job market when I graduate. I will find what I an and work my way up just like everyone else (even those without degrees mind you.) I'm pissy that it cost me the exhorbitant amount of money that it did to acquire 2 bachelor degrees in four years.

Well how much should college cost?

your minor was probably more because one of your classes required for it needed a pre-req

Naw you were correct. It was 18 hrs. Most CS will get the math minor because we already have to take 15 hrs of math, so one extra class gets us an "easy" minor.

exactly... I said for engineering it was over 60 hours of BS... that's 68 hours right there. Tech and applied sciences has always been a requirement. You may just not have noticed because you were CS and your classes applied towards that. So i guess 65 hours of BS for you. Arts and sciences need a minimum of 11 hours of foreign language also. Most have to take 12 or more though

This a very wrong assumption. You really need to look at the actual course requirements for each major before you assume that a course is a "BS" course. See the 3rd quote above. Also, while I may have mis-remembered the Tech & AS requirement, I'm not exactly sure how you knew the ins and outs of the requirements of my degree plan from 1998. You were in jr high or something at the time.

whew... a double post quote (note the times, eh, eh? )... nice way to finish off the short week

[Mommy]

That wasn't your statement. Your statement was that college is a waste of money. But yeah you're right, a one time investment of government money at an infanitessimal interest rate that starts out making you at least $25-30k/yr, increasing in return for the next 40 years is a waste of money. .


Is catherine sitting at your computer? What ass did you pull this idea out of?


There is not a single degree plan in that catalog where you take 90 hrs of bullshit. Find it for me and show me the degree plan if you think this is true. No, not all of your classes will say:
CS 1234
CS 1235
CS 1236
But just because it doesnt say that doesn't mean that class doesn't pertain to your major, or a well rounded education in general. Most lay people wouldn't think physics has much to do with computer science. Well they'd be wrong. No need to go into why because it's beyond the scope of this thread.


Then why would you assume public schools are "free"?


Unless you're living in a cardboard box, way out in the sticks, or are a senior citizen, you're living under the roof of someone who pays school taxes.


You got me there.


This would really depend on the major. If you have some kind of general Arts & Sciences degree, sure you might have a lot of extra general BS... it's a generalized degree. But just because I have 55 hours of "official" CS courses does not mean that 120 - 55 = 65 hrs of BS. Tons of non-CS courses which had very close ties to my major were taken.


This is very true, and indicative of help needed at the high school & entry level college counselor level. Not to mention the BS that instructors often feed students of how much they should make upon graduation. Perceptions of making lots of money though, do not make college a waste of money.


I didn't claim to know you, all I'm doing is reading what you have to say. If you had started off somewhere making good money you wouldn't have bitched about it two sentences above.


If you don't, why are we having this conversation? Three sentences above you're complaining about your bachelors in psychology not making any money right out of school.


Well how much should college cost?


Naw you were correct. It was 18 hrs. Most CS will get the math minor because we already have to take 15 hrs of math, so one extra class gets us an "easy" minor.


This a very wrong assumption. You really need to look at the actual course requirements for each major before you assume that a course is a "BS" course. See the 3rd quote above. Also, while I may have mis-remembered the Tech & AS requirement, I'm not exactly sure how you knew the ins and outs of the requirements of my degree plan from 1998. You were in jr high or something at the time.

whew... a double post quote (note the times, eh, eh? )... nice way to finish off the short week

I cant keep up with your quoting. you win because it takes me to long to break down yours. haha

[jwttu]

fyi impala , alot of accounting majors do go and get their masters so that can get get their CPA certification. And to sit for the CPA exam it takes more hours than a bachelors requires.

[Mommy]

exactly, hence why they offer a bachelor and masters in one program at Tech. Its the accounting 150 hour program and you leave with your bachelors and masters

[woody]

wtf did this thread turn into?

[jwttu]

wtf did this thread turn into?

like every other thread on this site, completely off-topic

it usually involves impala saying that he knows everything and that we are wrong

[Mommy]

he compared me to Cathryn...and I still don't understand why

Not saying that's a bad thing, but I just don't get it.

[Psykopath]

like every other thread on this site, completely off-topic

it usually involves impala saying that he knows everything and that we are wrong

this

[chook]

Chuck, go do some real work and not make the CS dept look like a bunch of slackers!

My 2 cents on it before the long winded back and forth. Imapla says that a degree is important because of the positions it makes available. Jessica says that its a waste (some degrees) because it doesn't matter till the higher degrees.

Honestly, I think my EE degree is harder than a grad degree in phil/psy. I have an ok GPA for my department, took the Mcat and studied the day before and got top 90 percentile, but am pretty much fucked for med school because of the gpa. I have a great job, and am in Long Beach at the Westin right now. I can say everyone's experience is different in college, just like our opinions. I will agree with KP that there are alot of assholes in engineering at Tech as well as people who don't teach. I have to say though, I met a bangin korean girl at my coworkers Korean BBQ.

[woody]

the difficulty of a degree is different for everyone. if i majored in biology i was have sucked cause i have no interest in it.

does it help getting a job? depends on what career field you get into.
will it get you more pay? probably
will it help you move up more quickly? probably

[James]

I wanna make $26-30k a year. Help me!

Maybe I'll finish one of my master's degrees this summer so I can hit that bracket. That'd be nice.

[Epic]

yeah, i make around $42 a year with a masters degree...that hardly seems worth it?

[Mommy]

yeah, i make around $42 a year with a masters degree...that hardly seems worth it?

are you asking or being sarcastic... I can't tell


I would like to make $33k a year when I finish this second degree. That would be nice. Probably won't happen though, but man I would be set even with that. Don't know when I will be able to start working though if I graduate in May and the baby is due almost exactly 2 months later. Great timing. NOT

[Divergent Realit...]

this

tldr

[Oasis]

apparently, you forgot to put '.' at the end of your sentence.

Pregnant chicks don't have periods. Idiot.

[FORSAKENR320]

Pregnant chicks don't have periods. Idiot.

GOOD PLAY SIR, I TIP MY HAT FOR YOU

[Mommy]

haha

[chook]

l like that one!

[impala454]

Chuck, go do some real work and not make the CS dept look like a bunch of slackers!

Bah! My work comes in waves... feast or famine it seems.

it usually involves impala saying that he knows everything and that we are wrong

So do you believe college is a waste of money?

[Mommy]

I guess I see it this way: I always wish I could have joined the military when I was 18, gone to school for free under the GI bill, and had a job to support myself while going to school. That way, I would have finished school debt free, had a job the whole time, and had a job the second I finished school. I would much rather have served the govt for a few years, learned some discipline and hard work than have spent ungodly amounts of money on school. Sure, I could have worked during school (and I sometimes did) but to support myself 100% and pay for school with a job, I couldn't have done that. Hell, I tried working full time and going to school full time when I went to UT. I failed miserably. That could be because I didn't ever want to drive to class though cuz it took an hour, but still. I wanted to work more so that's the road I took. Yeah, I made a few bad choices financially, but nothing too bad. I still have an awesome credit score because I always pay my bills. Its just sad when young people have to rely on student loans and credit cards to pay for school and living expenses. That's what I did..and a lot of my friends did. Its kinda depressing. Ever since i was 19 I have thought "gee this would have been a lot simpler had I just joined the fucking military"

[impala454]

I know what you're saying, but the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Oasis]

I always wish I could have joined the military when I was 18

I just can't picture you as a dyke

[Mommy]

I know what you're saying, but the grass is always greener on the other side.

yeah...but that side is a lot greener (money is green haha)

[Oasis]

yeah...but that side is a lot greener (money is green haha)

Get on aim plz

[Mommy]

fine but only because you asked nicely

[jwttu]

Bah! My work comes in waves... feast or famine it seems.
So do you believe college is a waste of money?

I'm referring to the fact that you acted like you know everything about every major. You were dead wrong on accounting.

[impala454]

I'm referring to the fact that you acted like you know everything about every major.

I didn't "act" like anything. If you took something a certain way its your own damn fault.

You were dead wrong on accounting.

I simply thought her blanket statement saying that all accounting majors have to get a masters to make any money was wrong. Show me how you're going to prove to me that accounting majors "have" to get a masters to make any money. My sister has a bachelors only and makes like $45k/yr. Will you make more with a masters? well duh. Do you have to get a masters? No.

[Mommy]

I didn't "act" like anything. If you took something a certain way its your own damn fault.


I simply thought her blanket statement saying that all accounting majors have to get a masters to make any money was wrong. Show me how you're going to prove to me that accounting majors "have" to get a masters to make any money. My sister has a bachelors only and makes like $45k/yr. Will you make more with a masters? well duh. Do you have to get a masters? No.

im pretty sure all those finishing school in accounting have to have masters to become a CPA now

[impala454]

So what makes you think you have to become a CPA to make money w/accounting?

[Mommy]

I never said that. I was just saying if one wants to be a CPA, they have to have a masters. i was just commenting.

[impala454]

You were responding to me where I said I don't believe accounting majors have to have a masters to make money.

[Mommy]

as stated before, I was commenting. I know what can be done with a bachelors in accounting. please dont argue with me over whether or not i was responding or commenting. kinda stupid and pointless

[Seeker]

kiss and make up

[impala454]

as stated before, I was commenting. I know what can be done with a bachelors in accounting. please dont argue with me over whether or not i was responding or commenting. kinda stupid and pointless

You quoted me... I dunno how I'm not supposed to consider that a response.

[Mommy]

I quote people and I comment.... so that its just not a random saying here or there. Maybe its because it was quicker than scrolling to the bottom of the page and hitting "add reply". Either way, don't you think that if i thought you could do nothing with a bachelors in accounting, i would still be arguing that way? Im not. Therefore, I was simply COMMENTING AND IT MINUTELY DEALT WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.


CHRIST ALMIGHTY

[impala454]

Sorry I'm not a mind reader

[Mommy]

Sorry I'm not a mind reader

you don't have to be a mind reader. Don't be so nit picky and then argue about what people mean when they explain themselves. That would cut down on people being so annoyed with you on here. Christ

[Epic]

being nitpicky is getting upset because someone can't tell the difference between your "comments" and "responses"

we all argue semantics on here

[FORSAKENR320]

DUUUURRRRRRRRRRR

[chook]

DUUUURRRRRRRRRRR

you ever going back to college?

[FORSAKENR320]

you ever going back to college?

my car broke

tensioner box died, threw my timing belt, bent my valve stems, possibly fucked up my engine head.....

$1700-$2500 in repairs


but yes, i will if i get approved for this college loan i'm applying for

[Oasis]

satan

[chook]

my car broke

tensioner box died, threw my timing belt, bent my valve stems, possibly fucked up my engine head.....

$1700-$2500 in repairs
but yes, i will if i get approved for this college loan i'm applying for

damn.

[Divergent Realit...]

my car broke

tensioner box died, threw my timing belt, bent my valve stems, possibly fucked up my engine head.....

$1700-$2500 in repairs
but yes, i will if i get approved for this college loan i'm applying for

at that rate trade in for a different car

[FORSAKENR320]

at that rate trade in for a different car

don't wanna downgrade, and don't want payments. am $900 from the thing being paid off. once it's fixed and paid for, i can spend less time working and more time to get into fulltime school

[Billy]

Though I disagree with a lot of what he said, I think Impala did pretty well this thread.