State of the Union Options

[impala454]

Is tonight at 8pm. All you Bush haters get your DVRs ready so you can slice up every frame and make some funny youtube videos!

[Psykopath]

Is tonight at 8pm. All you Bush haters get your DVRs ready so you can slice up every frame and make some funny youtube videos!

8 years of the same old comedy gets boring.

But I'm watching it anyway. *shrugs*

[Hartmann]

"As long as we continue to trust the people, our nation will prosper", what he dropped off the end was "yet I'm going to keep monitoring everyone 'cause I don't trust nonofya!"

[impala454]

I dunno about comedy, I think all state of the unions are pretty boring myself, including that one last night.

[Melanie]

am i the only person that got super pissed when he mentioned education and brought up pell grants for k-12 students? i thought i was going to choke someone

[impala454]

what's wrong w/that?

[Melanie]

what's wrong w/that?

how about we actually put money to our public school system insead of givng grants to children in struggling school districts to atend fbi schools or charter schools. no, we will just make those school districts suffer

[impala454]

you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto

[Melanie]

you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto

so you just fail the education system? that is ridiculous to say. instead of taking the underfunded students out of the school system and puttng them in private schools, why don't we actualy fund the schools?

i'm just saying, i was furious when i heard that. it won't happen, but for someone to say that i got mad

[pebkac]

you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto

It's not an on/off switch. You can less-ghetto the ghetto.

(I think we should do more of this making up words in NPR)

[impala454]

I didn't say "fail the education system". I said you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto. Do you think if you throw billions to some bottom barrel schools it's going to make the students want to learn? Is it going to improve their neighborhoods and give these kids some kind of incentive to better themselves and look forward to college?

It's the typical democrat plan to throw more money into the government. Tax me more and give it to a school so they can buy a few new laptops that nobody cares about. School systems have such great track records for spending don't they? I welcome any plan that puts that money back in the taxpayer's hands so they can have the opportunity to send their kids somewhere else. Hell if nothing else it will give the schools an incentive to improve the education they provide so they can keep their jobs.

It's not an on/off switch. You can less-ghetto the ghetto.

(I think we should do more of this making up words in NPR)

So what do you do to less-ghetto the ghetto then? Give money to the local schools? Yeah that'll fix up the neighborhood, houses, get the poor lazy people jobs, etc etc.

[Melanie]

and the answer is to put these kids into private schools with our tax dollars. right.

[Spectatrix]

The answer is to abolish public schools altogether, but that's an argument for another time...

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Hmmmmm.....yeah, that State of the Union crap was on.....I decided to watch Zodiac instead.

[2wolUTT]

Ladies and gentlemen, Conway Twitty.

[Psykopath]

The answer is to abolish public schools altogether, but that's an argument for another time...

What about people that can't afford private school then?


*stirs the pot*

[Spectatrix]

Fund the parents, not the schools. I.e. some kind of voucher system. Opens up school choice, performance is judged by parents rather than meaningless standardized test scores.

No, I don't have a detailed plan for how that would work, but I think the current state of things isn't working. And throwing more money at poorly-performing schools has little impact.

[FORSAKENR320]

no one likes my solution.... the ghetto will never go away because it breeds like racism... it's passed down from parent to child.... the only way to kill the ghetto is the same way you kill a snake... cut the head off of it


take away all the younger impressionable kids and put them in better homes, let the adults die out, and their influence on the children goes with it.

impractical, yes. violation of privacy and civil liberties, yes. effective... yes

[Spectatrix]

take away all the younger impressionable kids and put them in better homes, let the adults die out, and their influence on the children goes with it.

impractical, yes. violation of privacy and civil liberties, yes. effective... yes

I have similar ideas that I'm so terribly conflicted about. Mandatory can't-fuck-with-it contraception. Vasectomies for boys (can be reversed), hormonal implants or IUDs for girls. Once you've passed some minimum success threshold (obtaining at least an associate's degree, for instance), you can petition to have the contraception revered/removed and procreate.

[Spectatrix]

And no, I'm not seriously suggesting that (though it's tempting.... so tempting). Obvious major violation of privacy, liberty, etc. like Brandon said. I just want to avoid an Idiocracy-like situation. Is that so much to ask?

[impala454]

and the answer is to put these kids into private schools with our tax dollars. right.

No, the answer was to put the taxpayers money back in their own hands and give them the choice. And you didn't answer my question, which was, how do you think throwing money at some poor school will improve a kid's overall quality of life and improve the whole neighborhood and desire to learn and make something of themselves? Are you going to have some super mega nice school in the middle of a poor ghetto neighborhood? What good will that do besides waste my tax dollars? Money can't make people want to learn.

no one likes my solution.... the ghetto will never go away because it breeds like racism... it's passed down from parent to child.... the only way to kill the ghetto is the same way you kill a snake... cut the head off of it
take away all the younger impressionable kids and put them in better homes, let the adults die out, and their influence on the children goes with it.

impractical, yes. violation of privacy and civil liberties, yes. effective... yes

It sounds bad, but yeah I agree 100%

[Jim]

No, the answer was to put the taxpayers money back in their own hands and give them the choice. And you didn't answer my question, which was, how do you think throwing money at some poor school will improve a kid's overall quality of life and improve the whole neighborhood and desire to learn and make something of themselves? Are you going to have some super mega nice school in the middle of a poor ghetto neighborhood? What good will that do besides waste my tax dollars? Money can't make people want to learn.
It sounds bad, but yeah I agree 100%

Like... accidentally send someone to hit Britney Spears with a car, break her leg and "accidentally" cut her tubes for some made up operation for breaking legs?

[Dogmeat]

am i the only person that got super pissed when he mentioned education and brought up pell grants for k-12 students? i thought i was going to choke someone

Why?

If the school my kid is in is complete horse shit because the lawyers have completley tied the educators hands when it comes to dealing with complete fuckup kids who ruin the learning environment for other kids, I'm all for having aid in pulling my kid out of that school and putting them in a better and/or private school.

Face it, our public education system is a complete joke the way it is right now.

[FORSAKENR320]

I have similar ideas that I'm so terribly conflicted about. Mandatory can't-fuck-with-it contraception. Vasectomies for boys (can be reversed), hormonal implants or IUDs for girls. Once you've passed some minimum success threshold (obtaining at least an associate's degree, for instance), you can petition to have the contraception revered/removed and procreate.

IF EVERYBODY HAD AN ASSOSIATES DEGREE... then mcdonalds would require one for minimum wage....


you'd end up making college abou as importan as a high school diploma

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Honestly, the job market is becoming pretty saturated with Bachelors degrees.

[Billy]

no one likes my solution.... the ghetto will never go away because it breeds like racism... it's passed down from parent to child.... the only way to kill the ghetto is the same way you kill a snake... cut the head off of it
take away all the younger impressionable kids and put them in better homes, let the adults die out, and their influence on the children goes with it.

impractical, yes. violation of privacy and civil liberties, yes. effective... yes

Austrailia tried something similar back in the 20's and it only made things worse. They're apologizing for it now.

[impala454]

I can't disagree but I think it'd be more accurate to say that the job market has become saturated with easy, useless, pointless, worthless Bachelor's degrees. There hasn't exactly been a boom of Engineering degrees vs Business.

[Spectatrix]

IF EVERYBODY HAD AN ASSOSIATES DEGREE... then mcdonalds would require one for minimum wage....
you'd end up making college abou as importan as a high school diploma

That was just a possible example. Perhaps the qualification for un-sterilization would be something like having a steady jobs, household making >25k/yr. Again, just examples. I just don't want the uneducated retards having a billiondy babies like they do know. Durrr, I'm too dumb to know how to use condoms, so I'll have 7 kids with my baby daddy, work part-time at Burger King, and be on welfare!

Austrailia tried something similar back in the 20's and it only made things worse. They're apologizing for it now.

Have any reference for this? I'd like to read up on it.

[impala454]

China limits amounts of children per family, I don't see why we couldn't do that here.

[Spectatrix]

Well we don't really have a general overpopulation problem so much as a "stupid people have too many kids" problem.

[impala454]

Well we don't really have a general overpopulation problem..

exactly

[THECHICKEN]

IF EVERYBODY HAD AN ASSOSIATES DEGREE... then mcdonalds would require one for minimum wage....
you'd end up making college abou as importan as a high school diploma

Not true, for the most part those jobs are already manned by kids STUDYING to get bachelors. Janitors and Security gaurds on the other hand...

[Testm0nkey]

I didn't say "fail the education system". I said you're never gonna un-ghetto the ghetto. Do you think if you throw billions to some bottom barrel schools it's going to make the students want to learn? Is it going to improve their neighborhoods and give these kids some kind of incentive to better themselves and look forward to college?

yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions

[Jim]

yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions

Proof is in the pudding.

[FORSAKENR320]

Proof is in the pudding.

cathryn has some good pudding, i have heard....

[impala454]

yes its actually been shown to do that and doesnt cost billions

Yeah like the Robin Hood act worked so well too right? Money does not buy ambition.

[Melanie]

have you even educated yourself on nclb? it is just like robin hood act, but with sprinkles.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

have you even educated yourself on nclb? it is just like robin hood act, but with sprinkles.

I like sprinkles....chocolate ones, especially

[pebkac]

Yeah like the Robin Hood act worked so well too right? Money does not buy ambition.

Say it with me... "self fulfilling prophecy." Which do you think is going to get better teachers... a school in a rich area that pays well or a school in a poor area that pays terribly? The underpaid and overworked teachers that work in these schools have the mentality that the kids are nothing and can't succeed at anything.

Better paid and better qualified teachers are less likely to have this mentality.

So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education.

[Hartmann]

So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education.

I don't think that's ambition though. I think it's "not sucking at your job because you're bored".

[Spectatrix]

So yes, when well spent, money can buy ambition in terms of education.

Key phrase here.

[Melanie]

counselors and teachers in the lower income school districts tell students to go get jobs rather than try for higher education.

[Hartmann]

Look, yes, more money needs to be spent in poorer areas to help boost the education there but it doesn't just lie on the government to solve people's problems.

I went to a middle class high school and there were plenty of kids who went into the military, got jobs, or became parents immediately after graduating. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with being blue collar. Not having a college education does not make you stupid. Neither of my parents have 4 year degrees, in fact, my dad was a drop out. Now he makes six figures doing a job he enjoys. Wanna know how he got there? He worked his ass off and wasn't handed stuff because people felt sorry for him.

Handouts aren't the answer. There is a lot to be said for a loving home that encourages their children. Should a child who has a crackwhore mom be burdened by her decisions, no, but they also shouldn't be coddled into thinking they deserve something.

[pebkac]

Handouts aren't the answer. There is a lot to be said for a loving home that encourages their children. Should a child who has a crackwhore mom be burdened by her decisions, no, but they also shouldn't be coddled into thinking they deserve something.

Of course. Because if they were coddled into thinking they deserve something, then they would be in a rich school.

[Hartmann]

Of course. Because if they were coddled into thinking they deserve something, then they would be in a rich school.

While I agree that rich kids have the same problem, the issue with the lower and middle classes thinking they deserve something is that they expect the government to give it to them. The government isn't around to provide everything for us, it's around to provide the security for us to provide for ourselves.

[impala454]

have you even educated yourself on nclb? it is just like robin hood act, but with sprinkles.

No I don't know what NCLB is. All I know is the robin hood act took money from some schools and gave it to poor schools. There was zero money getting back to the taxpayer's hands. In fact, it was money taken from the taxpayer's hands and spent on a school other than the district where they paid the taxes! Which is major BS IMHO.

[impala454]

counselors and teachers in the lower income school districts tell students to go get jobs rather than try for higher education.

So did you go to college because some counselor told you you should? Or did you go because you had the ambition and desire to go to college? And where did you get that ambition? Was it because you had a nice locker and a shiny new book in school?

[Melanie]

i went to college becausei grew up with the mentality that i had to go to college. but if i had stayed in the barrio like my parents did growing up, i definitely would have had a different outlook on my future. everyone would be different though if they jad a drastically different upbringing. i guess i am "blessed" that i grew up for the first 10 years of my life in the barrio of west side san antonio, gang lines and all. my parents moved us out of the ghetto, struggled to do so but knew they didn't want my brother and i growing up like that and moved us to thr more ipscale area where going to college is emphasized. we never had that to look up to in the barrio.

[Mommy]

ya and i grew up in el paso in el barrio. i love you melanie, but i completely disagree with you. doesnt matter where you grew up, you can still be motivated to go to school and get a degree.

[Melanie]

jessica honey, it's different. you went to a decent high school. o have done research on the high schools in el pso while working for congressman rodriguez and it wasn't that bad as compared to a houston westfield or san antonio lanier or fox tech.

i know i am in the minority here on techsans. so i guess i will just top beating a dead horse

[impala454]

i went to college becausei grew up with the mentality that i had to go to college. but if i had stayed in the barrio like my parents did growing up, i definitely would have had a different outlook on my future.

Bingo, so how would throwing hordes of taxpayer money at your school have changed this situation?

[FORSAKENR320]

i went to college becausei grew up with the mentality that i had to go to college. but if i had stayed in the barrio like my parents did growing up, i definitely would have had a different outlook on my future. everyone would be different though if they jad a drastically different upbringing. i guess i am "blessed" that i grew up for the first 10 years of my life in the barrio of west side san antonio, gang lines and all. my parents moved us out of the ghetto, struggled to do so but knew they didn't want my brother and i growing up like that and moved us to thr more ipscale area where going to college is emphasized. we never had that to look up to in the barrio.

agreed. same thing that happened to me, except i was in the laotian gang wars in amarillo

[FORSAKENR320]

Bingo, so how would throwing hordes of taxpayer money at your school have changed this situation?

it really is odd being on the same side as you, just so you know.

but i agree, it's not the finances, it's the motivation

[pebkac]

it really is odd being on the same side as you, just so you know.

but i agree, it's not the finances, it's the motivation

Which begs the next question: Why is there no motivation in low-income areas?

[FORSAKENR320]

Which begs the next question: Why is there no motivation in low-income areas?

parent taught. if your family is bitter about "failing" at their higher goals, what positive example will they set for the children?

i feel the situation is completely opposite from what early Britain peasents faced. they lacked the opportunity to excel, when you have no chance, you sorta just accept your place in life. (until all hell breaks loose and a riot happens) but how can you ever expect a child to reach for the stars if you never teach them to look up?



i firmly believe that all americans are given equal opportunity. but you have to have the initiative to take advantage of that opportunity

[Melanie]

what was more boring than this was the love fest last night. the republican debates had more fireworks

[Hartmann]

Which begs the next question: Why is there no motivation in low-income areas?

Who's to say there is no motivation?

Plenty of successful (need to define that one) people have come of out low income areas. My girlfriend teaches at a school with plenty of rich white kids but she also has classes with an overwhelming number of latino and black students all from low income families. Two of her poorest students (it's listed as a modification for her ) are two of her best students. They have this drive to get away from where they grew up and make something of themselves. I think the motivation is the poverty itself.

what was more boring than this was the love fest last night. the republican debates had more fireworks

Hillary was making herself "likable"... Her diatribe on healthcare probably put the most socialist liberal to sleep.

[Melanie]

i just didn't like the pr-ness feel

[Spectatrix]

The drive to go to college is (almost unarguably) a motivation issue. That motivation can be generated internally (a drive to get out poverty, for instance) or externally (parents, teachers, coaches, etc.) The more positive factors a student has around them, I think the better a chance they have at doing well and going on to college or at least trade school, but the poorest students in the crappiest areas with the crappiest influences can still get up that drive, just as a rich white kid from an encouraging, college-educated family can fail to succeed.

Case in point: my step-brother is a year older than me, has gone to Tech and withdrawn several times (I think he got on academic suspension last time around), is in massive credit card debt, and has changed jobs twice in the last six months. Granted, he's doing better work than flipping burgers, but until this latest job, he was working in places with little advancement potential. Whether his latest job will be better remains to be seen, but I think probably so. He's very smart, as much as I am (he was doing mechanical engineering too, actually started before I did) but just didn't want to do the college thing. Maybe eventually, but not now.

Anywho, funneling money into poor-performing schools seems like a noble, but I think it's usually an exercise in futility. It can help attract better teachers, but the really good ones are still going to want to go to nicer schools, even if the pay is a little lower (there are exceptions, of course). And even if the school gets staffed by superb teachers, you still have the problem of down-and-out students de-motivating each other and reinforcing each others' shortcomings. Yeah, some will rise above that, but not most.

I would much rather give parents the opportunity to move their children to a better school without breaking the bank. Whether than means providing "grants" to parents of school age children who want to move them, or putting ALL schools under private control with grants, vouchers, or tax breaks for parents to put their kids wherever they want, or some other solution I've not yet thought of... I dunno. I just know that the public school system is largely failing our youth and I would never place a child of mine in one. Of course I'm probably going to homeschool them, so the whole thing is moot for me.

[Mommy]

jessica honey, it's different. you went to a decent high school. o have done research on the high schools in el pso while working for congressman rodriguez and it wasn't that bad as compared to a houston westfield or san antonio lanier or fox tech.

i know i am in the minority here on techsans. so i guess i will just top beating a dead horse

I dont care what congressman you worked for. Bowie High School was rough shit. So was Parkland, Andres, Irvin (had the high pregnancy rate out of any high school in the nation for a few years)... You can make yourself out to be a victim like anyone in a rough spot, but rough is rough is rough. People get past the rough and move on up. I worked for low-income school districts. I know how it goes. I know that if they don't serve breakfast at the school year round (including in summers) the kids won't eat. There is a point when you stop the WAHHHHH and get with the program. Kids in rough schools and from rough backgrounds have gone places before.

[Melanie]

wait, now if memory serves me correctly, didn't you go to a private school? not that it matters in this conversation, but i am just trying to figure out if i got it mixed up.

and of course there will always b the small number of kids that go to college from these areas. i am just stating that them being encouraged to go with psat, sat,, act notices blah blah blah is not common. the ratio definitely shows it too. look at how many kids go to college from the various school districts. and the number of military recruiters in the ghettos. it's like predatory lenders. they are everywhere.

[Dogmeat]

Honestly, the job market is becoming pretty saturated with Bachelors degrees.

Yup.

You can't even find a job let alone a good job with a BS in shit like psychology and sociology these days.

Hell government agencies won't even hire people to hand out wellfare checks anymore without a master's in most of those disciplines.

I've pretty well come to the conclusion it's basically the same thing with engineering degrees in this day and age. The type of job I would have done 20 years ago with a BSME has been completley replaced by computer software that does it all for you.

If I ever wanna have a "real" engineering job I'm definatley gonna have to go back and get a master's or a PhD .... I would if I could afford it right now

[Jim]

wait, now if memory serves me correctly, didn't you go to a private school? not that it matters in this conversation, but i am just trying to figure out if i got it mixed up.

and of course there will always b the small number of kids that go to college from these areas. i am just stating that them being encouraged to go with psat, sat,, act notices blah blah blah is not common. the ratio definitely shows it too. look at how many kids go to college from the various school districts. and the number of military recruiters in the ghettos. it's like predatory lenders. they are everywhere.

If my memory serves correctly, she was TAMS.

[Spectatrix]

wait, now if memory serves me correctly, didn't you go to a private school? not that it matters in this conversation, but i am just trying to figure out if i got it mixed up.

Private school from kindergarten to 2nd grade, homeschooled from 3rd to 10th, TAMS (Texas Academy of Mathematics and Science) for 11th & 12th.

[jonathan83]

Private school from kindergarten to 2nd grade, homeschooled from 3rd to 10th, TAMS (Texas Academy of Mathematics and Science) for 11th & 12th.

it's a little scary that you either 1. remember this amount of detail from jessica's life or 2. actually searched through old threads to actually find it

[Spectatrix]

it's a little scary that you either 1. remember this amount of detail from jessica's life or 2. actually searched through old threads to actually find it

Oh I thought Melanie was asking about me.

You're probably right, though, that she was asking about Jessica.

[Dogmeat]

jessica went to the Vivid School of Entertainment from the time she was 11 until she was 17

[blaarg]

i firmly believe that all americans are given equal opportunity. but you have to have the initiative to take advantage of that opportunity

Wow. I firmly believe that this statement is insane. There is no way someone born without a father present in the streets of Compton has the same opportunity as a son/daughter of a CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation. Yet alone racist, sexist, etc... sentiments that are still pervasive today...

Also, someone on the boards went to TAMS?!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[Testm0nkey]

whats with the argument that only educated people making over a certain amount of money should have kids? there are a few examples of people here on techsans that say they are doing alright and i fear for their possible future children! education and money are far from what makes good and stable parents.

and i like all these people theorizing like they know what they are talking about or will actually ever work to change the situation. (with the exception of melanie, jessica, pebkac, and stephen because they have hands on experience or are in relationships with people who do)

and you actually can get very good jobs with just a BS/BA in psychology. im contemplating not going to grad school right away because i have a job opportunity that im not sure if i can pass up.

[blaarg]

yeah I would say parents who are super-educated and super-rich make just as shitty parents (never around) as the other end of the spectrum...

[Spectatrix]

Also, someone on the boards went to TAMS?!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Yeah, class of 2001. Why?

Hieu (Tygriss) went to TAMS too, but many years before me.

My boyfriend went to TAMS too (same years as me), but he's not on the boards.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Feb 3 2008, 07:50 PM

[Mommy]

wait, now if memory serves me correctly, didn't you go to a private school? not that it matters in this conversation, but i am just trying to figure out if i got it mixed up.

and of course there will always b the small number of kids that go to college from these areas. i am just stating that them being encouraged to go with psat, sat,, act notices blah blah blah is not common. the ratio definitely shows it too. look at how many kids go to college from the various school districts. and the number of military recruiters in the ghettos. it's like predatory lenders. they are everywhere.

yeah, I went to private school. What the hell does that have to do with anything? I still grew up in a rough area. No offense, but other than San Antonio being trashy and ugly, its not much worse than El Paso... it just has more people (only 500,000 more according to the links below...but El Paso has a lot more border jumpers than SA does). If you don't believe me... look here:
El Paso
San Antonio
Look at the percentage below poverty level and the percentage with bachelors degree or higher. El Paso is far worse than San Antonio in both areas.
Im not saying I had it bad, because I didn't. I grew up in a loving home, and my mom worked her ass off to send me to a private school (because I was white... which if you know anything about El Paso you know there is a lot of racial tension there... ESPECIALLY between the blacks and mexicans). But I can almost guarantee that we *BOTH YOU AND ME* grew up with a pretty good upbringing compared to others. You can't put yourself in the situation of some of these other kids. I worked in a school with 85% of the kids at the school having at least one parent incarcerated. Breakfast was served every day because otherwise the kids wouldnt eat. I worked with the 5 year olds. They would come to school with beat marks. They would come to school crying because the cops showed up at their house the night before to take a parent away. That's hardship. It doesn't matter if you are from the projects. It doesn't matter what school you went to. It matters what kind of home you grew up in. If the parents love their kids enough to push them to be a model citizen, then the kids will most likely grow up to want to do that.

[Melanie]

not really sure what data you go by, but san antonio has more than 1.3 million more residents than el paso in our metro area.

also not sure if any of y'all read the report that just came out by Education Trust, but you should. even within school districts, the quality of teachers vary by socio economic status of students and subsequently the communities.

[impala454]

I don't need to read a report to know that

[Mommy]

not really sure what data you go by, but san antonio has more than 1.3 million more residents than el paso in our metro area.

also not sure if any of y'all read the report that just came out by Education Trust, but you should. even within school districts, the quality of teachers vary by socio economic status of students and subsequently the communities.

Ok, I will agree to that, BUT coming from someone who has actually worked in low-income school districs, there are teachers there that do a whole lot for those kids. The teacher I worked with in particular had kindergarten kids reading, learning the Presidents of the U.S., learning the states, learning how to predict weather changes. It was ridiculous what she was teaching these kids...kids who were lucky to have 1 parent. All Im saying is you talk down the quality of education for low-income students, but our whole education system is flawed. I've met rich daddy girls in college who are less intelligent than those kids I taught.

And I'm just going by what the U.S. census page says. El Paso has about a million people, but that site says we only have like 600k or something... And the point of that wasnt to show population size, but rather socio-economic status of the two cities because you seem to think you're from the worst place in Texas or something. San Antonio is absolute trash. I wouldn't live there if someone put a gun to my head, but it's not because of the socio-economic status. Its because your city doesnt care about keeping it clean. Its ugly as shit there.

[Melanie]

San Antonio is a whole bunch of stuff, we have higher socio-economic status areas and we have the bottom of it. I never said it was dirty. I said that there are districts that really really need help. I think San Antonio is amazing, that's why I moved back here, to also make a difference in the areas that need help.

[Testm0nkey]

wait, you alls school growing up didnt serve breakfast all the time??? mmmmm rock biscuits

[Mommy]

San Antonio is a whole bunch of stuff, we have higher socio-economic status areas and we have the bottom of it. I never said it was dirty. I said that there are districts that really really need help. I think San Antonio is amazing, that's why I moved back here, to also make a difference in the areas that need help.

yeah, you didnt say it was dirty... I did

[FORSAKENR320]

wait, you alls school growing up didnt serve breakfast all the time??? mmmmm rock biscuits

and wierd bubbly eggs... looked like little squares of fried asian skin/fat

[Melanie]

I just remember the funky pizza and enchilada wednesday

[FORSAKENR320]

I just remember the funky pizza and enchilada wednesday

AS YES... THE SOGGY BRICK AND SPAGHETTI-O COVERED TORTILLA!