 SWAT kicks-in wrong door, homeowner opens fire |
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| SWAT kicks-in wrong door, homeowner opens fire |
 Dec 18 2007, 12:55 PM
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http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/...man-shoots.html
QUOTE A Minneapolis police SWAT team kicked in the wrong door yesterday during an early morning raid, prompting the man of the house to grab his gun and open fire on the officers who entered the house. "He took out his shotgun and he said if they are bad guys I'll shoot, I'll scare them away," Dao Khang, the brother of the homeowner, Vang Khang, tells the Star Tribune. "He fired first, he told me it was two shots." Dao Khang says his brother was trying to protect his wife and six children. No one from the family was hit during the exchange of gunfire. Vang hit two officers, but the Pioneer Press says they were protected by ballistic vests and helmets. Police haven't decided whether they'll try to charge Khang with a crime. KMSP-TV says the Khang family is consulting with a civil attorney.  I know kicking in the wrong door is not that uncommon but they are actually thinking about charging this guy? Give me a break. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Dec 18 2007, 12:59 PM
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I would have done the same damn thing. Ridiculous
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Dec 18 2007, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE Police haven't decided whether they'll try to charge Khang with a crime. in other words QUOTE Police haven't figured out what they can charge Khang with.
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Dec 18 2007, 01:21 PM
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This happens ALL THE TIME, you would think the fucking Swat team would do a little research first and make sure they have the correct house. You would think they'd do a little covert surveillance before barging in.
In Georgia this happens almost every day because of the "no knock" rule. Instead of knocking they barge in and start shooting the place up and as usual they have the wrong address. Several elderly people have been killed trying to defend their homes from Swat teams mistaken as burglars. There are numerous lawsuits against Swat teams and police forces in Atlanta. |
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Dec 18 2007, 01:24 PM
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 GORILLA FLUFFER  Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Watchman @ Dec 18 2007, 01:21 PM)  This happens ALL THE TIME, you would think the fucking Swat team would do a little research first and make sure they have the correct house. You would think they'd do a little covert surveillance before barging in. In Georgia this happens almost every day because of the "no knock" rule. Instead of knocking they barge in and start shooting the place up and as usual they have the wrong address. Several elderly people have been killed trying to defend their homes from Swat teams mistaken as burglars. There are numerous lawsuits against Swat teams and police forces in Atlanta. black people always have something to hide. --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Dec 18 2007, 01:36 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Watchman @ Dec 18 2007, 01:21 PM) This happens ALL THE TIME, you would think the fucking Swat team would do a little research first and make sure they have the correct house. You would think they'd do a little covert surveillance before barging in. In Georgia this happens almost every day because of the "no knock" rule. Instead of knocking they barge in and start shooting the place up and as usual they have the wrong address. Several elderly people have been killed trying to defend their homes from Swat teams mistaken as burglars. There are numerous lawsuits against Swat teams and police forces in Atlanta. More melodrama at its finest... happens "almost every day"? Please. "As usual" barge in and start shooting up the place? Gimme a break. Every day from now on I want to see you paste the story about which house got wrongly barged into and shot up by the police. Sure this was bad, and sure it happens, but it most definitely does not happen "almost every day" (in Georgia no less). |
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Dec 19 2007, 03:54 PM
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wow that would suck ass.
however...this goes back to what I was saying when that tech kid was killed...people need to have a positive ID of their target. that's why they make surefire lights. I mean...swat operators don't really dress in ragamuffin gear. and they are pretty proud of labeling all their shit "swat"... I sure hope I never accidentally light up a swat team. nigger's lucky he didn't get dead. |
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Dec 19 2007, 04:02 PM
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 New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
Yeah, but at the same time, they bust down your door. I would be scared. I wouldnt shoot because i dont own a gun, but probably the first thought in my head would be "some bad guys made some swat outfits"
is that silly? |
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Dec 19 2007, 04:05 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Dec 19 2007, 04:02 PM) Is that silly? I don't think it's silly at all. Moral of the story, some jackass busts your door down it's open season. |
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Dec 19 2007, 04:33 PM
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GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 19 2007, 03:54 PM) wow that would suck ass. however...this goes back to what I was saying when that tech kid was killed...people need to have a positive ID of their target. that's why they make surefire lights. I mean...swat operators don't really dress in ragamuffin gear. and they are pretty proud of labeling all their shit "swat"... I sure hope I never accidentally light up a swat team. nigger's lucky he didn't get dead. in that situation theres not much hope... either you fire first, or they put a bullet in you and they apologise at your funeral. ( i understand thats an over generalization, i know that swat doens't usually fire until a threat is already assessed or they've been fired upon.) but i understand what you're saying. someone busts in, my first reaction is to get armed. by that simple action, i just became a threat, and given them all the excuse they need to make me swiss cheese. so the only safe choice in that action is to sit there like a sheep and trust that the person barging in IS he authorities. and thats just not a choice i'm willing to take. fucked if you do, fucked if you don't -------------------- QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Dec 20 2007, 12:54 AM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
can i accidentally shoot some cops too and not be expected to face the consequences either?
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Dec 20 2007, 01:12 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Uh, that's exactly what's happening in this case.
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Dec 20 2007, 01:12 AM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
uhhh i know
im responding to people going WHAT hes going to be charged?! i am saying if i were to accidentally shoot some cops i would probably get beaten to death by them ergo, yes he should get charged -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Dec 20 2007, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Dec 20 2007, 12:54 AM) can i accidentally shoot some cops too and not be expected to face the consequences either? no Defense of your Home ok? --------------------  |
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Dec 20 2007, 01:15 AM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
they are still cops and you technically shot at police officers. you would fair better in court after beating to death 68 prostitutes
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Dec 20 2007, 01:39 AM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
If Im a good citizen and some cops beat down the door, i would think they are fake cops...as I said earlier.
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Dec 20 2007, 01:43 AM
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 Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
wow, Cathryn.
just fucking wow. He was protecting his home and family against what he thought was a late night robbery/home invasion. Those dumbfuck SWAT members went charging into the wrong house, a man defended his family against an unknown (at the time) threat, and it's his fault and he should be prosecuted??!!?? -------------------- |
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Dec 20 2007, 01:44 AM
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New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
Im sure it was also dark in there.
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Dec 20 2007, 09:21 AM
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I understand what everyone is saying about protecting their home, but I still can't help but think if I see a squad of dudes decked out like this:
 I PERSONALLY would be reluctant to fire. As soon as I got positive ID on their pig markings, I'd throw my shit on the deck and start whining about being unarmed. Who knows if some moron lied and narc'd you out to the cops? Or if you fit the description of some high-threat suspect? And if you're returning fire, wouldn't that be somewhat incriminating? I know that is not the case here, I'm just saying I don't put shit past the cops. I trust them about as far as I can throw them... When confronted by the po-po I go into self-preservation bitch mode. Those dumb fuckers will shoot your black ass. |
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Dec 20 2007, 10:06 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
It's just a no-win situation like Forsaken said. If you arm yourself and it just so happens to be the cops breaking in, it'll just be a bunch of apologies at your funeral. I think this guy simply got very lucky.
About the lights thing... I know we went through this a while back, but man I had to get up in the middle of the night, and noticed the living room lamp I usually leave on was off (guess I forgot or something). I tell you want, flipping on that lamp blinded the hell outta me. If someone had broken in, I'd have been a sitting duck. |
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Dec 20 2007, 10:13 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Make it dark, then imagine 3-4 ultra bright flashlights coming out, it would be pretty difficult to grab your flashlight and light them up and ID them before they blew you away bc you have a weapon pointed in their general direction.
 Now if there really was 6-7 guys, and they yelled "Police!" at the top of their lungs many times, I might give em the benefit of the doubt and drop the gun and yell my surrender at them, but still. |
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Dec 20 2007, 10:16 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 3,402 Joined: 23-February 06 From: PDX/TXL Member No.: 35 |
I think part of the problem is that this guy was not a great English speaker and he may not have understood what was going on.
Yeah, you don't shoot cops, but when people are coming through your doors, it's kind of like "empty the clip and let God sort them out". I think we should petition the city where this happened so that the cops can get some more time on a range. I don't necessarily think this guy should be charged because I am trying to understand the crime? In cases of unlawful search and seizure the cops aren't charged. This is a case of the wrong house where the owner used his right to defend his home, both parties were in the wrong. If it goes to trial, this guy will get off. -------------------- "There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: that of the fashionable non-conformist." |
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Dec 20 2007, 10:54 AM
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impala, you need to get you a pistol (or scattergun) with a light rail and a surefire for that kind of situation.
surefires will blind the hell out of someone/thing, and give you positive ID while having the weapon at the ready. |
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Dec 20 2007, 10:58 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Isn't that even worse though? (not disagreeing to be an ass, just want to understand). Because then I have to actually point the pistol at the cop to ID him?
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Dec 20 2007, 11:23 AM
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your concern is viable. there are two schools of thought on this and at first I was all about the crosswrist technique. but I am still "pointing" my gun at the suspect.
the more I thought about something going bump in the night and how bewildered I'd be, the more it made sense to have it all together in one hooyah. I guess it boils down to preference. |
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Dec 20 2007, 12:43 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
Yeah.. basically any time your place gets broken into at night, there's risk no matter what you do.
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Dec 20 2007, 01:34 PM
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GORILLA FLUFFER Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (cupcake @ Dec 20 2007, 11:23 AM) your concern is viable. there are two schools of thought on this and at first I was all about the crosswrist technique. but I am still "pointing" my gun at the suspect. the more I thought about something going bump in the night and how bewildered I'd be, the more it made sense to have it all together in one hooyah. I guess it boils down to preference. when i feel there is honestly something odd in my house, i have cross wrist, but i carry my knife and sig, and usually tighten up my profile so my arms are sticking 4 ft in front of me. it costs damn near $300 for either a flashlight or lazer for my sig though, damn unique railing system.... -------------------- QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Dec 20 2007, 05:20 PM
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 monogamous gays & stem cells Group: Members Posts: 3,789 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 8 |
jesus, surefire lights are expensive
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Dec 21 2007, 10:24 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 1,795 Joined: 29-September 06 Member No.: 327 |
yeah but they are weapons that disorient just by themselves. brighter than the sun of 4 hells...
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