Employer English-only bill Options

[Spectatrix]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/eng...bill/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican leaders in the House are supporting a bill that would let employers set an English only policy on the job.
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The EEOC has sued the Salvation Army after organization required that their workers learn English.

Rep. Tom Price, R-Georgia, is the lead sponsor of the Common Sense English Act. The bill, introduced in the House on Wednesday, would allow offices and workplaces around the country to require English under any circumstance they prefer.

The measure comes after the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued the Salvation Army over the issue. The charity organization required that their workers learn English within a year and speak English only after that point. The EEOC sued for discrimination.

"What kind of nonsense is that?" said Rep. Price.

"I believe strongly that employers ought to be able to require employees to speak English while engaged in work activities," he said. "And that's all it does. It's very simple."

Price's bill pulled in 31 co-sponsors within hours of being drafted. Among those co-sponsors are other top Republicans in the House, including House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

The Senate has already passed a similar bill, but it has stalled in the Democratic-run House where it was frozen before making it to the floor.

The EEOC insists it is enforcing the current law as written and that regulations are specific. Employers can require English only, but such a policy cannot be in response to any one group, such as Spanish speakers, and it must be for a specific, business-related reason.

"An English only rule must be justified by business necessity," said EEOC regional attorney Elizabeth Grossman. "Safety would be an example."

Price and Republicans behind the bill see more at stake.

"Americans believe that we are a nation united by one language and that our central language protects both our safety and our culture," Price said.

I'm not entirely sure what I think about this... depends on how it's worded. I have no problem with workers speaking Spanish, Chinese, etc. when speaking with each other, but employers should certainly be permitted to require their employees learn English so that they can interact with customers properly.

[impala454]

but employers should certainly be permitted to require their employees learn English so that they can interact with customers properly.

Or other employees. Makes sense to me.

[pysex]

fine with me

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Where I work there are SEVERAL employees who don't know a lick of English. I have no idea how they are able to communicate with our AMERICAN vendors. I sure as hell know they can't communicate with me! If you don't know English and you come up to me at work and start rattling off in Spanish, I am just gonna walk away like you're not even there.

[Jim]

Hear hear. English should be required by all employers for many reasons (safety, allowing the employee to speak with the customer and vendors). Too bad it won't pass. Maybe in Indiana where English is the state language.

[jonathan83]

it's definitely not professional, so i agree with the bill.

[Spectatrix]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I agree with the bill. I just don't want employees getting in trouble if, say, they're joking around talking in Spanish for a bit (to each other). I doubt that would happen, though.

[RitalinJunkie]

Well...I think that languages you speak should be something on the resume (which it is on ever resume I've filled out), and that if you cant speak the language in which business is being done, in this case English (the language of the VAST majority), then you don't have the qualifications for the job. Thats not discrimination IMHO, it's "you aren't qualified for the position". Granted I'm sure someone will start trying to rip that apart as me being a bigot or racist in a couple minutes, but whatever.

[Mommy]

its pretty sad that there is a lawsuit pending against a charitable organization like the Salvation Army.

I think English should be required.

[Testm0nkey]

yeah why sue the salvation army? jesus christ

people who dont speak english arent typically the ones interacting with customers

this will get your panties in a twist techsans - the job i am looking at REQUIRES or "strongly prefers" that i speak spanish

[Spectatrix]

this will get your panties in a twist techsans - the job i am looking at REQUIRES or "strongly prefers" that i speak spanish

Well if the business has a lot of Hispanic customers, then it makes sense for employees to be bilingual.

[jonathan83]

then you better get studying!

[Inferia]

Do we really need a bill for this? If the person doesn't speak English, and you think this will be a problem in the future, then don't hire the person. If speaking English is a non-issue, then what does it matter anyway.

If somehow the job comes with the requirement that one must learn English after a year of obtaining the job, then it should be specified. I don't really see that much of a problem with the employer requiring the person to learn English (perhaps a little weird that you learn it after you get the job), and if the person doesn't, I don't see a person being fired for it.

[Mommy]

yeah why sue the salvation army? jesus christ

people who dont speak english arent typically the ones interacting with customers

this will get your panties in a twist techsans - the job i am looking at REQUIRES or "strongly prefers" that i speak spanish

sabes espanol?

[Testm0nkey]

SI

im not fluent yet but i can converse easily and i know more than enough to get by.

[RitalinJunkie]

the job i am looking at REQUIRES or "strongly prefers" that i speak spanish

It's clearly laid out...ie no problem. What are you looking at doing?

[Oasis]

Do we really need a bill for this? If the person doesn't speak English, and you think this will be a problem in the future, then don't hire the person. If speaking English is a non-issue, then what does it matter anyway.

Uhh, probably because an employer would get hauled off to court and sued for discrimination by those cunts MALDEF

[jonathan83]

SI

im not fluent yet but i can converse easily and i know more than enough to get by.

espero ke si!

and spec, i think social work?

[johnthedrunk]

Do we really need a bill for this? If the person doesn't speak English, and you think this will be a problem in the future, then don't hire the person. If speaking English is a non-issue, then what does it matter anyway.

If somehow the job comes with the requirement that one must learn English after a year of obtaining the job, then it should be specified. I don't really see that much of a problem with the employer requiring the person to learn English (perhaps a little weird that you learn it after you get the job), and if the person doesn't, I don't see a person being fired for it.

but speaking english automatically qualifies you for minimum wage, speaking spanish doesnt. as an employer, i go for the cheap labor, the ones who dont understand they are getting screwed. fuck em, they took the chance coming here

[RitalinJunkie]

Uhh, probably because an employer would get hauled off to court and sued for discrimination by those cunts MALDEF

If that is discrimination, than so is not hiring someone because they did not perform well at their last job. It is an indication that they may have problems with certain situations (IMO this falls under "unable to perform the required tasks").


EDIT:
Actually....that sort of "discrimination" is necessary in order for businesses to function.

[jonathan83]

it's funny how america has all these laws that favor immigrants, while most countries' laws favor their own citizens.

[Jim]

Well...I think that languages you speak should be something on the resume (which it is on ever resume I've filled out), and that if you cant speak the language in which business is being done, in this case English (the language of the VAST majority), then you don't have the qualifications for the job. Thats not discrimination IMHO, it's "you aren't qualified for the position". Granted I'm sure someone will start trying to rip that apart as me being a bigot or racist in a couple minutes, but whatever.

You bigot racist =P

[Oasis]

If that is discrimination, than so is not hiring someone because they did not perform well at their last job. It is an indication that they may have problems with certain situations (IMO this falls under "unable to perform the required tasks").
EDIT:
Actually....that sort of "discrimination" is necessary in order for businesses to function.

It isn't discrimination at all.

But it wasn't discrimination when the Round Rock Independent School District wrote 90 something truancy tickets when a bunch of spics walked out in the middle of class a year or two ago in protest of tougher border laws. They were given tickets because they skipped school.

But of course, fucking MALDEF decided to fight the tickets in court. Not all of them at once, mind you. They were trying to take every single defendant to trial separately. The tickets were finally dismissed and "justice" declared because fucking MALDEF already wasted $90k+ of our tax dollars because of their non profit exemption and it would have endlessly tied up the courts and jurors for months on end.

Trust me, those dickweeds will file a lawsuit for anything they see as unfair in their pea brained minds. I'm sure the NAACP would do the same thing if some black guy could only talk in Ebonics

[Testm0nkey]

lots of businesses have a portion of the business that depends on people who may not speak english. if they were to need to commicate, lets say to the other shipping supervisor at another warehouse theyd need to speak spanish

stop depending on cheap labor while at the same time saying nooooo bad wrong!

[Mommy]

It isn't discrimination at all.

But it wasn't discrimination when the Round Rock Independent School District wrote 90 something truancy tickets when a bunch of spics walked out in the middle of class a year or two ago in protest of tougher border laws. They were given tickets because they skipped school.

But of course, fucking MALDEF decided to fight the tickets in court. Not all of them at once, mind you. They were trying to take every single defendant to trial separately. The tickets were finally dismissed and "justice" declared because fucking MALDEF already wasted $90k+ of our tax dollars because of their non profit exemption and it would have endlessly tied up the courts and jurors for months on end.

Trust me, those dickweeds will file a lawsuit for anything they see as unfair in their pea brained minds. I'm sure the NAACP would do the same thing if some black guy could only talk in Ebonics

Frankly, Im sick of hearig about that... THOUSANDS walked out that day in El Paso. I'm sure other border cities had the same problem. Every single school, elementery through high school was on lockdown that day in El Paso. You couldn't even go to the bathroom without an adult escort. Of course, upper class Austin and surrounding area has to blow things way out of proportion. Learn to deal. Mexicans have taken over Texas.

[Testm0nkey]

black dialect - ebonics is already an official language. you can still speak "jive"


this country is going to become more and more diverse. guess what america, soon it may be time to declare at least two official language like so many other countries. than you guys will even be expected to learn another language!

[Oasis]

black dialect - ebonics is already an official language. you can still speak "jive"

Spanish is an official language.

What's your point?

[Testm0nkey]

i was just saying thats funny. "jive"

[Oasis]

Shut up, jive turkey

[jonathan83]

guess what america, soon it may be time to declare at least two official language like so many other countries.

because we already have one official language??

[Inferia]

because we already have one official language??

[Mommy]

because we already have one official language??

[FORSAKENR320]

its pretty sad that there is a lawsuit pending against a charitable organization like the Salvation Army.

I think English should be required.

to be honest, these people that work at salvation army usually can't be hired anywhere else, they are either dirty, nasty, belligerant, have racks of felonies, theft, or are completely stupid. i've had to work with these people extremely closely, and it doesn't surprise me at all that lawsuit has been filed.

[Mommy]

to be honest, these people that work at salvation army usually can't be hired anywhere else, they are either dirty, nasty, belligerant, have racks of felonies, theft, or are completely stupid. i've had to work with these people extremely closely, and it doesn't surprise me at all that lawsuit has been filed.

that doesn't make any sense for you to say this. The lawsuit was filed against the organization, not because of the type of people that work there or have worked there. It seems as though maybe the SA took steps to employ better people, and that is why they are being sued. What does them employing "dirty" people have to do with this lawsuit? I'm just really lost on the relevancy of your statement to this thread.

And I have volunteered at the Salvation Army in El Paso before. They may be dirty, but a lot of them are really nice people.

[Jim]

It isn't discrimination at all.

But it wasn't discrimination when the Round Rock Independent School District wrote 90 something truancy tickets when a bunch of spics walked out in the middle of class a year or two ago in protest of tougher border laws. They were given tickets because they skipped school.

But of course, fucking MALDEF decided to fight the tickets in court. Not all of them at once, mind you. They were trying to take every single defendant to trial separately. The tickets were finally dismissed and "justice" declared because fucking MALDEF already wasted $90k+ of our tax dollars because of their non profit exemption and it would have endlessly tied up the courts and jurors for months on end.

Trust me, those dickweeds will file a lawsuit for anything they see as unfair in their pea brained minds. I'm sure the NAACP would do the same thing if some black guy could only talk in Ebonics

Paging Seth to this thread.

What does the FRCP say about this?

[FORSAKENR320]

that doesn't make any sense for you to say this. The lawsuit was filed against the organization, not because of the type of people that work there or have worked there. It seems as though maybe the SA took steps to employ better people, and that is why they are being sued. What does them employing "dirty" people have to do with this lawsuit? I'm just really lost on the relevancy of your statement to this thread.

And I have volunteered at the Salvation Army in El Paso before. They may be dirty, but a lot of them are really nice people.

because someone had to complain to bring it to their attention.

[Oasis]

Other countries who have two official languages (such as Canada, assuming Canada is bilingual, someone look that up for me) have them for a reason - there are an equal ratio of important people in the country who speak both English and French.

The keyword is important. Politicians. Entrepreneurs. Business owners. CEO's. Managers. When an equal percentage of commerce, policy making, etc is conducted in two languages, you're at a competitive disadvantage if you've only learned only one. If you're a French business owner and 50% of your distributors are English speaking companies, you're screwed. If you're an English speaking candidate trying to campaign in a province like Quebec who mainly speaks French, you ain't getting many votes


In America, 99% of the movers and shakers speak English.

State-to-state commerce is conducted in English.

All important politicians in this country speak English (Sorry, Texas border towns near Juarez, your mayors might speak Spanish along with 95% of your citizens, but you aren't considered important by any means).

Most workers who only speak Spanish are employed by English speaking business owners. They might have to know enough Spanish to tell the workers where to lay sod, but that isn't what keeps the business afloat. The English speaking business owners are reordering supplies or getting new job contracts with people who speak Spanish.

Take it from anyone who has worked for any large company doing the lowest level grunt job (most of you at one point or another, I assume) - cashier at HEB, stocker at Walmart, tire changer at Discount Tire, lawn mower at a landscaping business, burger flipper at Burger king, custodian at an elementary, whatever. That's what Spanish speaking folks mainly do. They might perform the actual job that makes the company money, but they're expendable. They're just disposable workers who can be replaced relatively easily at any time. There's a reason I can walk into Walmart at any time, apply for a job as a cashier, sit down for a 15 minute interview, and get hired 24 hours later. And there's a reason I walk into Walmart's regional headquarters and apply for a district manager position and it takes three follow up interviews, numerous aptitude screenings and other tests, and have to wait three weeks to hear back. It's a much more important job.

The most important things in this country are all done in English. How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country before we go appointing another official language

[Jim]

Other countries who have two official languages (such as Canada, assuming Canada is bilingual, someone look that up for me) have them for a reason - there are an equal ratio of important people in the country who speak both English and French.

The keyword is important. Politicians. Entrepreneurs. Business owners. CEO's. Managers. When an equal percentage of commerce, policy making, etc is conducted in two languages, you're at a competitive disadvantage if you've only learned only one. If you're a French business owner and 50% of your distributors are English speaking companies, you're screwed. If you're an English speaking candidate trying to campaign in a province like Quebec who mainly speaks French, you ain't getting many votes
In America, 99% of the movers and shakers speak English.

State-to-state commerce is conducted in English.

All important politicians in this country speak English (Sorry, Texas border towns near Juarez, your mayors might speak Spanish along with 95% of your citizens, but you aren't considered important by any means).

Most workers who only speak Spanish are employed by English speaking business owners. They might have to know enough Spanish to tell the workers where to lay sod, but that isn't what keeps the business afloat. The English speaking business owners are reordering supplies or getting new job contracts with people who speak Spanish.

Take it from anyone who has worked for any large company doing the lowest level grunt job (most of you at one point or another, I assume) - cashier at HEB, stocker at Walmart, tire changer at Discount Tire, lawn mower at a landscaping business, burger flipper at Burger king, custodian at an elementary, whatever. That's what Spanish speaking folks mainly do. They might perform the actual job that makes the company money, but they're expendable. They're just disposable workers who can be replaced relatively easily at any time. There's a reason I can walk into Walmart at any time, apply for a job as a cashier, sit down for a 15 minute interview, and get hired 24 hours later. And there's a reason I walk into Walmart's regional headquarters and apply for a district manager position and it takes three follow up interviews, numerous aptitude screenings and other tests, and have to wait three weeks to hear back. It's a much more important job.

The most important things in this country are all done in English. How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country before we go appointing another official language

They gave us the Taco. Isn't that enough?

[jonathan83]

How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country

hey, we NEED those strawberries!

[Testm0nkey]

i dont think canada is equal number french and english speaking?

god you people are racist!


edit: whats wrong with declaring official languages? spanish and english. if its "official" then dumb ass stuff like this, imo, couldnt happen.
there will just be more and more hispanic people in america

[Mommy]

I think a lot of us need to realize that there is a difference between a Spanish-speaking person (can come from many regions of the world) and a border jumping Mexican who is lazy. Not to generalize border jumping Mexicans, but they come from a culture that is very different from ours. I think it's kinda crude to associate all Spanish-speakers as expendable. Actually, I think it is racist. I will be the first to say that I don't get along with very many Mexicans, but I also know that there are a lot out there who are hardworking, WANT TO MOVE UP IN LIFE (thats the important one), and have a concern for society. People from Spain are very different than people from Mexico, etc.

[Oasis]

god you people are racist!

Oh really?

[Mommy]

Yeah, I would have to say your post was pretty racist, heh

[Spectatrix]

i dont think canada is equal number french and english speaking?

It's not, but there are a lot more French speakers there than Spanish speakers here in the US.

(From Wiki)

English and French are the mother tongues of 59.7% and 23.2% of the population respectively,[78] and the languages most spoken at home by 68.3% and 22.3% of the population respectively.[79] 98.5% of Canadians speak English or French (English only: 67.5%, French only: 13.3%, both: 17.7%).[80] English and French Official Language Communities, defined by First Official Language Spoken, constitute 73.0% and 23.6% of the population.

Although the United States has no official language at the federal level, English is the national language.

In 2003, about 215 million, or 82% of the population aged five years and older, spoke only English at home. Spanish, spoken by over 10% of the population at home, is the second most common language and the most widely taught foreign language.[140][141] Immigrants seeking naturalization must know English. Some Americans advocate making English the country's official language, as it is in at least twenty-eight states.

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Dec 13 2007, 03:36 PM

[Mommy]

Im moving to England if we declare two official languages....Im serious on that one.

[Oasis]

Yeah, I would have to say your post was pretty racist, heh

Explain please


And I didn't research whether or not Canada had two official languages or what ratio spoke French or English. Find me a country that has two official languages and the reasoning is probably the same - you're at a competitive disadvantage if you aren't bilingual. Probably 99% of Americans aren't at a competitive disadvantage in any walk of life because they can't speak Spanish

And I'm not talking about international business. If you your company can't speak multiple languages you're fucked. I'm talking specifically about why there is no point in having two languages because a minority (both economically speaking and in terms of population numbers) happens to have a lot of low class blue collar workers living both legally and illegally in our country

[Oasis]

Oh, and to answer the racist claim. Absolutely nothing I said was remotely racist. I can say "fuck spics, I hope they're wiped off the face of the earth" and it wouldn't be racist. An asshole comment, yes, but not racist.

Mexico is a country, not a race of people. I made no mention of Latinos (could probably be construed as a "race"), brown people, anyone else from Central or South America, people from Spain, or anything else. I said Mexicans. And not everyone who lives in Mexico is brown, nor poor, nor a criminal, nor whatever else

Call me whatever you want, but don't call me a racist. Drives me nuts. Or if you do, at least be consistent. Cathryn, how about you call the Frenchmen you seem to love and defend so much racists because they hate Americans. Or, since you seem to hate most Americans, how about you call yourself a racist? America is a country, so I guess it's a race as well....right?

[Mommy]

The keyword is important.

All important politicians in this country speak English (Sorry, Texas border towns near Juarez, your mayors might speak Spanish along with 95% of your citizens, but you aren't considered important by any means).

Most workers who only speak Spanish are employed by English speaking business owners. They might have to know enough Spanish to tell the workers where to lay sod, but that isn't what keeps the business afloat. The English speaking business owners are reordering supplies or getting new job contracts with people who speak Spanish.

Take it from anyone who has worked for any large company doing the lowest level grunt job (most of you at one point or another, I assume) - cashier at HEB, stocker at Walmart, tire changer at Discount Tire, lawn mower at a landscaping business, burger flipper at Burger king, custodian at an elementary, whatever. That's what Spanish speaking folks mainly do. They might perform the actual job that makes the company money, but they're expendable. They're just disposable workers who can be replaced relatively easily at any time. There's a reason I can walk into Walmart at any time, apply for a job as a cashier, sit down for a 15 minute interview, and get hired 24 hours later. And there's a reason I walk into Walmart's regional headquarters and apply for a district manager position and it takes three follow up interviews, numerous aptitude screenings and other tests, and have to wait three weeks to hear back. It's a much more important job.

The most important things in this country are all done in English. How about we let Spanish speaking folks accomplish something that greatly benefits our country before we go appointing another official language

You continually reference Spanish-speaking folks when there are many SPANISH (coming from Spain) people who are business men in America.

You say "appointing another official language" when our country doesn't even have one official language.

You say that these "Spanish speaking" people are expendable when in all actuality, they are not. If a company has a dozen workers and 9 of them are HISPANIC (which I think is the term you are looking for), and they all were to quit within a month of each other, that would hurt the business. A LOT of Hispanic people are harder workers at the "grunt jobs" than are white Americans with snooty attitudes. I mean, think about it... were you that great of an asset all that tire place? Probably not because you didn't even know how to change a flat tire for your gf after you had worked there a month. Put a Mexican who knows tires in that same position, and your "expendable" job becomes a lot less expendable.

And lastly, yes, the mayor of El Paso speaks Spanish. So does the police commissioner. So do the judges. So does just about every person with status in that city. Why? because of where it is located. El Paso and other border cities are MAJOR areas of commerce for our country, so to say that "they aren't important by any means" is complete arrogance and biggotry. Its that snooty Austin attitude that gets a lot of people in trouble. If you went to El Paso today, I guarantee it would be completely different than you remember it from 10-12 years ago when you went there. The city is rapidly growing, has several millionaires living there, has a booming economy, more new restaurants and houses than any other city I have seen in the past 5 years, and is one of the safest cities in Texas. I would live in El Paso for 15 years (despite hating it there) before I would live in San Antonio for 6 months. El Paso is becoming a very pretty city, far prettier, cleaner, and safer than San Antonio. Guess not all Mexicans are complete trash, because El Paso is something like 83% hispanic.

[Mommy]

Oh, and to answer the racist claim. Absolutely nothing I said was remotely racist. I can say "fuck spics, I hope they're wiped off the face of the earth" and it wouldn't be racist. An asshole comment, yes, but not racist.

Mexico is a country, not a race of people. I made no mention of Latinos (could probably be construed as a "race"), brown people, anyone else from Central or South America, people from Spain, or anything else. I said Mexicans. And not everyone who lives in Mexico is brown, nor poor, nor a criminal, nor whatever else

Call me whatever you want, but don't call me a racist. Drives me nuts. Or if you do, at least be consistent. Cathryn, how about you call the Frenchmen you seem to love and defend so much racists because they hate Americans. Or, since you seem to hate most Americans, how about you call yourself a racist? America is a country, so I guess it's a race as well....right?

yeah, but Spanish-speaking folks refers to Hispanic, which some places will seperate out into its own race and other places will write "Caucassion, Hispanic" so technically it is a race. If you had used the word MEXICAN from the beginning, you're right. You wouldn't be a racist....just a biggot.

[Oasis]

yeah, but Spanish-speaking folks refers to Hispanic, which some places will seperate out into its own race and other places will write "Caucassion, Hispanic" so technically it is a race. If you had used the word MEXICAN from the beginning, you're right. You wouldn't be a racist....just a biggot.

I am NOT a fucking biggot

Maybe a bigot, though

[FORSAKENR320]

i see it as less of a problem with spanish... and more of an issue with fucking asians. they NEVER fucking learn to speak english.

[Oasis]

i see it as less of a problem with spanish... and more of an issue with fucking asians. they NEVER fucking learn to speak english.

In a totally unrelated note, has anyone seen my dog Hank?

[Testm0nkey]

like you lost him or has just anyone seen him before?

[jonathan83]

i see it as less of a problem with spanish... and more of an issue with fucking asians. they NEVER fucking learn to speak english.

guess i'm not doing my job

and Will, i think i saw him at little panda, why?

[Oasis]

like you lost him or has just anyone seen him before?

Asians....eating dogs....missing dog....lame joke

[Inferia]

i see it as less of a problem with spanish... and more of an issue with fucking asians. they NEVER fucking learn to speak english.

yeah, serious, why don't they ever learn...

[Spectatrix]

i see it as less of a problem with spanish... and more of an issue with fucking asians. they NEVER fucking learn to speak english.

I've known plenty of Asian immigrant students who spoke perfectly good English. They might have an accent, but they were more or less fluent.

yeah, serious, why don't they ever learn...

[jonathan83]

awww.

actually in general i think eastern asians learn english just fine as they usually take education very seriously.

southern asians are usually lower income, which would put them in the less educated bracket as well.

[Mommy]

I am NOT a fucking biggot

Maybe a bigot, though

whatever. Your comments about Spanish-speaking people are more unintelligent than me accidentally spelling a word wrong (which means NOTHING in this day and age because of spell check. Grammar is more important)

[Mommy]

Asians usually speak English at stores and stuff. They don't ask for a person who can talk to them in their language. Some Mexicans do, even if they speak English.

[GOB]

fuck 'em

[Jim]

A few really good friends of mine are fluent in Chinese and English. I think Asians typically learn the language more than Mexicans do.

[Divergent Realit...]

it probably has something to do with the relative distance from 'home'

[kcroxyoursox]

I have no problems requiring English, so long as it's a consistent measuring system (meaning everyone is measured by the same standards.)

If it's imperative that I know certain safety procedures, give me a test so I can prove myself. If it's imperative that I know how to operate a certain machinery piece, observe me using it and make sure I perform specific tasks. If it's imperative that I speak a certain language, give me a test on it and make sure I answer certain questions correctly.

It's no different than requiring that someone type X words per minute, or have proficiency in certain computer software, or so many years in a certain type of position. I've been given typing tests to prove my efficiency; I've had to create something in a certain program as part of an interview; I've had my references checked up on. I don't consider any of that to be discriminatory or outside the boundaries of what employers should be able to do.

Some jobs require certain job skills/assets, and it's perfectly acceptable to ensure that your candidates really do possess those skills before offering them a position.

[Jim]

I have no problems requiring English, so long as it's a consistent measuring system (meaning everyone is measured by the same standards.)

If it's imperative that I know certain safety procedures, give me a test so I can prove myself. If it's imperative that I know how to operate a certain machinery piece, observe me using it and make sure I perform specific tasks. If it's imperative that I speak a certain language, give me a test on it and make sure I answer certain questions correctly.

It's no different than requiring that someone type X words per minute, or have proficiency in certain computer software, or so many years in a certain type of position. I've been given typing tests to prove my efficiency; I've had to create something in a certain program as part of an interview; I've had my references checked up on. I don't consider any of that to be discriminatory or outside the boundaries of what employers should be able to do.

Some jobs require certain job skills/assets, and it's perfectly acceptable to ensure that your candidates really do possess those skills before offering them a position.

Test to see if someone is proficient in the use of the English Language.

Perform the interview in English.

[pebkac]

Just an FYI, employers CAN make an english-only policy as it stands as long as there's a valid business reason for it. According to the article:

The EEOC insists it is enforcing the current law as written and that regulations are specific. Employers can require English only, but such a policy cannot be in response to any one group, such as Spanish speakers, and it must be for a specific, business-related reason.

Which seems reasonable enough to me.

[pysex]

Just an FYI, employers CAN make an english-only policy as it stands as long as there's a valid business reason for it. According to the article:
Which seems reasonable enough to me.

You mean if like these guys are constructing someone's house and the owner shows up who speaks strictly english and tries to tell the guys to stop leaving their tacos inside the house walls and they go

QUE

NO SPEAKIE ENGLISH

NO COMPRENDO SENOR

Yeah. Make those fuckers speak english plz. This ain't Mexico.

[Mommy]

jaja

[pebkac]

You mean if like these guys are constructing someone's house and the owner shows up who speaks strictly english and tries to tell the guys to stop leaving their tacos inside the house walls and they go

QUE

NO SPEAKIE ENGLISH

NO COMPRENDO SENOR

Yeah. Make those fuckers speak english plz. This ain't Mexico.

Which would be a valid business reason to have an english-only policy.

[Testm0nkey]

i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that

[Mommy]

i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that

hmm never thought about it being a shortened thing. youre probably right. Just like we say "whats up"

[jonathan83]

i cant get over that spanish people, or maybe its just mexicans, answer the phone with "bueno"

just doesnt make sense to me! unless it just came about as a shortened greeting from buenas tardes or some jazz like that

actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

[Jim]

actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

Moshi Moshi

[Testm0nkey]

actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

in german ive heard ya "yes" annnnnnnnnnd i think thats it actually

i remember moshi moshi if thats the proper spelling! it sounds a lot better coming from an asian person

[Mommy]

actually i think english is the only language that says "hello" when we answer the phone, or at least one of the very few. when you think about it, it seems kinda weird that we'd say hello when we answer the phone.

typically only mexicans say bueno. it's not short for buenas tardes or anything like that, it just good/well/alright. in spain it's more common to say dígame or just diga, which is different altogether. i think i even heard that germans answer the phone with their last name. i also know that in brazil they say "halo" which isn't a word at all in their language, they just use it for answering the phone. same for korean. they say yoboseyo, when in fact it's not a word you'd use in any other context except for answering the phone.

yeah, i have heard people say "digame" or "talk to me"

I started answering this phone with "this is Jessica" because of old work habits.

[Jim]

in german ive heard ya "yes" annnnnnnnnnd i think thats it actually

i remember moshi moshi if thats the proper spelling! it sounds a lot better coming from an asian person

Moshi Moshi is the proper spelling =P

[chook]

Moshi Moshi is the proper spelling =P

odenwa desu

[Jim]

odenwa desu

Telephone greeting.

[GOB]

hope this picks up and continues for many years to come

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071224/us_nm/...n_selfdeport_dc


also:

Mexican consular sources in Phoenix say they are seeing a spike in the number of immigrants applying for Mexican citizenship for their U.S.-born children, which will allow them to enroll in schools in Mexico.

[FORSAKENR320]

GOOD


fucking leech mexicans

[chook]

Telephone greeting.

nani desu ka?

[Dogmeat]

anything that combats the stupiditude of illegal aliens not speaking english in England rules! SAN DIEMAS FOOTBALL RULES!!! WOO!!!!!