Half of NYU students polled would give up their voting rights, for $1 million Options

[Hartmann]

http://media.www.nyunews.com/media/storage...e-3099547.shtml

I think this points out a much more glaring problem in our country. That living in the here and now and grasping at money is the way to do things. The idea that our children will inherit our problems seems to skip right over our generation.

[The Fanatic]

"In God We Trust"

[Epic]

everybody has their price.

not vote in 2008 in exchange for the equivalent of a year's tuition at NYU? I could do a lot more good with the money than a vote.

i know i know "if everyone felt like you then it wouldn't even matter that we have elections"

Rewind to 2000. it already doesn't matter. Besides they are all, in my opinion, generally the same people with very few key differences in ACTION between reps and dems.

bu then again, i think i could have sex with anyone or anything if the money was right, i know that i can be bought.

[Billy]

I would take it.

[Dogmeat]

http://media.www.nyunews.com/media/storage...e-3099547.shtml

I think this points out a much more glaring problem in our country. That living in the here and now and grasping at money is the way to do things. The idea that our children will inherit our problems seems to skip right over our generation.

You could buy a politician with $1,000,000 and get one hell of a lot more done that way then you EVER could voting for them in your entire fucking lifetime....

I'd do it.

[Psykopath]

Wow.

I hate my generation.

No sum of money would bribe me out of one of the basic principals of democracy.

[Dogmeat]

Wow.

I hate my generation.

No sum of money would bribe me out of one of the basic principals of democracy.

You should be saying you hate your parents generation, we're the ones that have inherited the bullshit mess of a government we have now that they've been successivley porking out for the last 30 years.

If voting actually accomplished anything I'd never give up the right, but you're insane to think that $1,000,000 won't get more done politiically by paying lobbyists or buying yourself a represenative than merley voting for one will.

[Psykopath]

You should be saying you hate your parents generation, we're the ones that have inherited the bullshit mess of a government we have now that they've been successivley porking out for the last 30 years.

If voting actually accomplished anything I'd never give up the right, but you're insane to think that $1,000,000 won't get more done politiically by paying lobbyists or buying yourself a represenative than merley voting for one will.

I stand by my statement.

And yes, I also hate what has become of politics in the United States.

[Billy]

On the ballot, I can pick one stranger that lives off of my tax dollars, or I can pick another. If I could trade a life time of picking who is going to exploit me for a million dollars, I will take the million dollars.

[Dogmeat]

Ya know, honestly .... when I think of this in terms of the lives that have been lost to protect this right, there's no way I'd take it.

Yeah .... I'd turn it down too.

I wouldn't even think twice about it just because my pride and integrety is worth way more than that, and those lives were worth infinatley more than that even ...

Uhg. Now that I think about it, I can't believe I said I'd take it.

I bet my grand dad rolled over in his grave when he "head" me type that hahaha

[Billy]

Oh yeah, I mean, ugh.. I wouldn't take it either...yeah...what was I thinking...

[Dogmeat]

Oh yeah, I mean, ugh.. I wouldn't take it either...yeah...what was I thinking...

I'm being serious

[Billy]

You flip flopper.

[Dogmeat]

You flip flopper.

No. I am a flop-flipper ... there's a difference.

Flops are things that are bad, and negative.

Hence, since I am a flop-flipper, it means I turn these things to the positive again and am truly enlightened

[blaarg]

Wow.

I hate my generation.

No sum of money would bribe me out of one of the basic principals of democracy.

Oh come on, this is an easy decision, you take the money. If you honestly feel that we live in a true democracy governed by the people and your vote/opinion matters that much, that is another story, but the truth is we don't live in this utopian democratic society (how else could we still be in Iraq when the publics support is overwhelmingly against it?)...

Also, if you think that other generations wouldn't do the same thing, you would be sorely mistaken (I'm sure a lot of our great great grandparents would have given up their right to vote to find Gold out West!). Greed has been prevalent regardless of what century you live in...

And on the whole "all the people died to give me that right" I would image that the soldiers who are indirectly protecting our right to vote would/would have personally give(n) up their voting rights in return for a guaranteed safe passage home...everyone has their price...

[Psykopath]

Oh come on, this is an easy decision, you take the money. If you honestly feel that we live in a true democracy governed by the people and your vote/opinion matters that much, that is another story, but the truth is we don't live in this utopian democratic society (how else could we still be in Iraq when the publics support is overwhelmingly against it?)...

Also, if you think that other generations wouldn't do the same thing, you would be sorely mistaken (I'm sure a lot of our great great grandparents would have given up their right to vote to find Gold out West!). Greed has been prevalent regardless of what century you live in...

And on the whole "all the people died to give me that right" I would image that the soldiers who are indirectly protecting our right to vote would/would have personally give(n) up their voting rights in return for a guaranteed safe passage home...everyone has their price...

Well fucking excuse me for not being some greedy, disrespectful little shit that has no principles and/or cares nothing for the principles of democracy.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Nov 21 2007, 01:54 AM

[FORSAKENR320]

Well fucking excuse me for not being some greedy, disrespectful little shit that has no principles and/or cares nothing for the principles of democracy.

i'd take the money



what difference does it make? the apocalypse is gonna happen. the asshole you vote into office is prolly the most guaranteed to survive. all politics are for the last 30 years have been a choice of which candidate sucks the least.

[Psykopath]

Voting doesn't just involve Person A and Person B.

[Epic]

not greedy,
not disrespectul
not a little shit
i have principles
and I've never known a true democracy so fuck the principles we pretend.

and yet, I still feel that elections are rigged, and that there is little difference between candidates.

[Spectatrix]

I'm with Zach on this one.

Yes, the system is flawed.
Yes, the elections might be rigged.
Yes, the candidates all seem to run together after a while.

But opting out entirely solves nothing.

[Epic]

i just prefer to spend my time DOING service and good than to vote for the idea of it. Since I don't have the money to give to charities, i volunteer about 10 hours a week, sometimes more if there are big events going on here in the community.

and i voted in the 2004 election, even though i knew in texas it wouldn't matter other than being another vote because Bush would carry the state.

i feel that my freedom can be exercised in many ways other than voting, so don't feed me the "thousands of people died fighting tyranny" (so that we could be run over others) excuse. They also died so that we could exploit others for financial gain, but you don't see many people still heralding that right as part of being a patriotic american.

And let's not forget that this fight to vote has been inconsistent here. How many years did we deny blacks the right to vote? the full vote? women? How come 16 year old with jobs have to pay taxes but can't vote? It isn't the great and mighty privilege, and it was a system designed by and for the straight white wealthy men to control the system and the system hasn't changed.

[pysex]

keep in mind that the people that have lost their lives in previous wars (i'm talking about world wars) were fighting for a different world...a world that changed

life was different then and people had more respect for politics and democracy



now the only thing that is important is who is tila tequila going to pick to be her one night love slave or which laguna beach girl is going to get pregnant

we're greedy, selfish, and arrogant and it will be the end of us

[Inferia]

I'd take the money, simply because I can't vote anyway...

[Spectatrix]

I'd take the money, simply because I can't vote anyway...

Yes, but what if you could? Would you still take the money?

[blaarg]

we're greedy, selfish, and arrogant and it will be the end of us

If by we you mean the entire world past or present, I would agree with this...
I don't think that us Americans are any different than anybody else around the world, ask a starving African, and I guarantee that he would take the money!

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And Epic is right, think about how much more good you could do with 1000000 dollars than a single vote. You have to weigh the pros and cons. Well I cast a single vote in a sea of millions for a candidate I like but could ptentially end up making some of the worst decisions under his/her presidency that I don't agree with, or I could vaccinate thousands of needy Africans for malaria...

Whether one decides to use all or part of his money to do this is irrelevant, I think that helping/saving one person easily outweighs my right to vote... I would find it rather difficult to believe if (in another hypothetical) someone was dying and it was proposed that you could save this person's life, but you only have to give up the right to vote you would say "no, my belief in "democratic" principles and my participation in this process is way too important for me..."

And I don't understand why you (Psycopath) wouldn't agree with the above statement(s) because in another thread you were championing an effort of good deeds outweighing an ideological message. This is, in essence, the same thing...

[Psykopath]

NONE of you have any fucking clue what you're saying.

You're all nickel and diming this shit. Thinking of a few and not the many. What if EVERYONE gave up their right to vote in favor of money, a car, Jessica Simpson BJs, etc?! What then? Everyone is satiated for a bit but then when people want change...OH SHIT SON, sorry no choice for you. Like the tyranny or have a civil war.

But then again many of you seem to be all young adult emo "there is no choice" wah wah any way.

And many of you seem to forget that "voting" doesn't just occur every 4 years to pick a President. Ever heard of voting on issues? I know, many of you have probably never voted on a bond election, amendment referendum, etc.

And I don't understand why you (Psycopath) wouldn't agree with the above statement(s) because in another thread you were championing an effort of good deeds outweighing an ideological message. This is, in essence, the same thing...

Holy shit...this little gem just caught my eye.
Where in the blue hell did I ever say I'd rather cast a vote than volunteer/do community service?

I'm for both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Nov 21 2007, 02:21 PM

[blaarg]

Where in the blue hell did I ever say I'd rather cast a vote than volunteer/do community service?

I'm for both. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Don't you think that if you had more money you could do more good in the world?

[Testm0nkey]

people with the most money arent typically the people who do the most good works

you can make a huge difference being in poverty. you dont need a lot of money to do a lot of good. money is a very small factor in that

[blaarg]

You're all nickel and diming this shit. Thinking of a few and not the many. What if EVERYONE gave up their right to vote in favor of money, a car, Jessica Simpson BJs, etc?! What then? Everyone is satiated for a bit but then when people want change...OH SHIT SON, sorry no choice for you. Like the tyranny or have a civil war.

Yes if the offer was extended towards everybody all hell would break loose, anarchy, blah blah blah...

But I was under the impression that it is solely on a single individual basis. If someone approached you and you alone, and said "here's a million dollars, you can have it if you give up the right to vote." I would say yes and you would say no. And all I'm arguing is a lot more good could come from 1000000 dollars than a single vote. Why do you think otherwise?

[blaarg]

people with the most money arent typically the people who do the most good works

you can make a huge difference being in poverty. you dont need a lot of money to do a lot of good. money is a very small factor in that

I disagree. I think that money isn't the only factor but is a substantial one.

Let me rephrase...you have two very kind hearted humanitarian beings. One has a lot of money, the other doesn't. I would say that the one who is more able financially to help out would be able to reach more people...

[Psykopath]

I disagree. I think that money isn't the only factor but is a substantial one.

Let me rephrase...you have two very kind hearted humanitarian beings. One has a lot of money, the other doesn't. I would say that the one who is more able financially to help out would be able to reach more people...

*ahem*
Mother Teresa...

'nuff said.

And all I'm arguing is a lot more good could come from 1000000 dollars than a single vote. Why do you think otherwise?

Because I still value that principle of having a voice in the democratic process.

But hey, Democracy is soooooooooo last year, amirite?

[FORSAKENR320]

people with the most money arent typically the people who do the most good works

you can make a huge difference being in poverty. you dont need a lot of money to do a lot of good. money is a very small factor in that

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since when have you seen a poverty stricken person donate 60 million out of their own pocket to fight aids? sorry... but that 60 million goes alot further than volunteering on the weekend.

and i don't know how much contact you have with "poverty stricken" but most of the people i know in that situation have a lot more to worry about for themselves than for others. you may be thinking of the lower middle class as "poverty" there sugar tits

[blaarg]

*ahem*
Mother Teresa...

'nuff said.
Because I still value that principle of having a voice in the democratic process.

But hey, Democracy is soooooooooo last year, amirite?

you're right that is why I said money is a substantial factor, not the only one...

yes there are exceptions where people spend their whole lives helping others, but I would imagine that both you and I are not these type of people. We're the types (I'm assuming you as well from what you have said) who like to volunteer our time and give a small percentage of what we have to helping others.

I guess you value your voice in democracy more than the potential of helping out more people that you currently are. Again, I find this to possibly be true up to a point (again using the example that if hypothetically someone was dying but you could save them if you gave up the right to vote...I know its an impossibility but I am trying to make a point).

[Testm0nkey]

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since when have you seen a poverty stricken person donate 60 million out of their own pocket to fight aids? sorry... but that 60 million goes alot further than volunteering on the weekend.

and i don't know how much contact you have with "poverty stricken" but most of the people i know in that situation have a lot more to worry about for themselves than for others. you may be thinking of the lower middle class as "poverty" there sugar tits

you are disgusting


AND i wasnt saying people who are in poverty do the most good i was saying you could be in poverty and still contribute significantly to helping others. you can do an amazing amount of good simply donating your time. that is the most imporant part imo

[blaarg]

you are disgusting
AND i wasnt saying people who are in poverty do the most good i was saying you could be in poverty and still contribute significantly to helping others. you can do an amazing amount of good simply donating your time. that is the most imporant part imo

yes donating time is significant, but no amount of time donated will pay for vaccinations/medical supplies/food supplies for needy people (I guess unless you spend the time raising money, but if you had money you could cut out the middle man)...

[Testm0nkey]

i still dont believe that. i think actually working hand in hand with people in need, them seeing you be there and see you caring about what you are doing is worth way more than writing a blank check for a nameless organization.
it definitely seems like thats true

[FORSAKENR320]

i still dont believe that. i think actually working hand in hand with people in need, them seeing you be there and see you caring about what you are doing is worth way more than writing a blank check for a nameless organization.
it definitely seems like thats true

good intentions alone don't cure diseases

[Psykopath]

good intentions alone don't cure diseases

neither does money alone. Or do you believe tossing money at a problem will solve it?

[FORSAKENR320]

neither does money alone. Or do you believe tossing money at a problem will solve it?

works with strippers

[Psykopath]

works with strippers

that just solves their crack problem

[FORSAKENR320]

that just solves their crack problem

but it solves a problem

[Dogmeat]

Cows and sheep are opp-o-sites!
Opp-o-sites! Opp-o-sites!
Cows and sheep are opp-o-sites!
This I do declare!!!

[Mommy]

Cows and sheep are opp-o-sites!
Opp-o-sites! Opp-o-sites!
Cows and sheep are opp-o-sites!
This I do declare!!!

I just dont get how they are opposites!

[Dogmeat]

I just dont get how they are opposites!

That's because you're a girl, and boys don't make any sense to girls