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[jonathan83]

Wow, Wiki's a great resource. Seems like most of the presidential families are related to each other somehow.

yeah but that doesn't mean anything. i think if you find 2 random people in the US, chances are they're 4th cousins..or something like that.

[Spectatrix]

Yeah, I know. I still think it's funny, though.

But hell, I barely see/talk to my first cousins, much less all the others (in fact, all of my second cousins I either don't know or hate with a fiery passion).

[Testm0nkey]

i dont think i have cousins? i guess that saves me from some family turmoil

[Spectatrix]

Oh, you almost certainly have cousins of some kind or another. Maybe not first cousins, but some kind down the line.

On a side note, I would always get irked when people would refer to my mom's cousin as my "Aunt" Kathy. I think people were surprised to hear a young kid say "she's not my aunt, she's my first cousin once removed".

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Nov 13 2007, 08:46 PM

[jonathan83]

i dont think i have cousins? i guess that saves me from some family turmoil

yeah you might not have 1st cousins. but for example, your mom's or dad's 1st cousins would be your 2nd cousins, etc.

maybe some of us on techsans are cousins! actually, everyone is related to each other to a certain degree...somewhere down the line.

[Spectatrix]

yeah you might not have 1st cousins. but for example, your mom's or dad's 1st cousins would be your 2nd cousins, etc.

maybe some of us on techsans are cousins! actually, everyone is related to each other to a certain degree...somewhere down the line.

Actually her mom and dad's 1st cousins would be her 1st cousins, once removed. The kids of their 1st cousins would be her 2nd cousins. Gotta match up generations or else it's once, twice, thrice removed, etc.

[THECHICKEN]

Actually her mom and dad's 1st cousins would be her 1st cousins, once removed. The kids of their 1st cousins would be her 2nd cousins. Gotta match up generations or else it's once, twice, thrice removed, etc.

you just gave me a horrible flashback to my Wills and Estates mid-term....

[jonathan83]

i never understood the whole "once removed" stuff.

[THECHICKEN]

i never understood the whole "once removed" stuff.

once removed means one below you (like your sons generation... but however many cousins over)

so a 2nd cousin once removed would be: Your great grand parents have a 2 kids... one becomes your grand parent the other doesn't. The kid that didn't become your grandparent has a kid (that is your fathers generation), they in turn have a kid (your generation), and then they have a kid (one below you)... and thats your 2nd cousin once removed

confused? yeah, its so much easier in a chart

[jonathan83]

ahhh that makes sense.

i always thought the cousin of my mom would be my 2nd cousin...and then the kid of my mom's cousin would be my 3rd cousin.

but this way makes more sense...

[Jim]

you just gave me a horrible flashback to my Wills and Estates mid-term....

Wills and Estates should be subtitled.

Wills and Estates: Nap Time!

Everyone I know in Law School that's done W&E says it's the most boring class, ever. And I asked people with different prof's, so yah. Either the profs are boring or the subject matter is boring.

[Spectatrix]

once removed means one below you (like your sons generation... but however many cousins over)

so a 2nd cousin once removed would be: Your great grand parents have a 2 kids... one becomes your grand parent the other doesn't. The kid that didn't become your grandparent has a kid (that is your fathers generation), they in turn have a kid (your generation), and then they have a kid (one below you)... and thats your 2nd cousin once removed

confused? yeah, its so much easier in a chart

One generation above or below.

Chart!

[THECHICKEN]

One generation above or below.

Chart!

Actually removed means down.... from what we were taught for the different systems of inheritence through hiers. and thats not a very good chart, ours had one person to start from, and told you what the persons were called three generations out etc.

[pebkac]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm.../CousinTree.svg

Here's a little bit easier to read chart.

Essentially, your second cousin is your cousin's cousin. A cousin once removed is a cousin one generation above or below you.

This post has been edited by pebkac: Nov 14 2007, 09:26 AM

[THECHICKEN]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm.../CousinTree.svg

Here's a little bit easier to read chart.

Essentially, your second cousin is your cousin's cousin. A cousin once removed is a cousin one generation above or below you.

If im not mistaken... you'd just call that ... an uncle (if above)

So that when you say "once removed" you know what the term means (as in going below)

Maybe i caught something wrong, but usually once removed up would just be called a "second uncle" for example, and not "2nd cousin, once removed"

and 2nd grandfather, etc. no "removed" until below you.

your charts only showed "cousins" which i don't know why you'd do it that way

[pebkac]

If im not mistaken... you'd just call that ... an uncle (if above)

So that when you say "once removed" you know what the term means (as in going below)

Maybe i caught something wrong, but usually once removed up would just be called a "second uncle" for example, and not "2nd cousin, once removed"

and 2nd grandfather, etc. no "removed" until below you.

your charts only showed "cousins" which i don't know why you'd do it that way

Well, I got it from the wikipedia article on cousins.

And for your first cousin, their parent is their aunt/uncle. Never heard of a second grandfather or uncle though.

[THECHICKEN]

Well, I got it from the wikipedia article on cousins.

And for your first cousin, their parent is their aunt/uncle. Never heard of a second grandfather or uncle though.

Yeah, nevermind, i was looking at chart wrong (in my book)

Goes both ways... disregard

god i hate consanguinity

http://ethics.nv.gov/Consanguinity%20Chart...explanation.pdf

[Spectatrix]

Yeah, there are like three different charts in the wiki article. I like the one I posted the best, though.

What's extra-great is when you get into double and half cousins!

[Psykopath]

Let me dumb it down for everyone:

We're all inbred swine. Now, all of you go play the banjo, squeal like piggys, and put your purty mouths to good use!

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Nov 14 2007, 10:30 AM

[THECHICKEN]

yeah, i would so make out with a 3rd cousin after lookin at that chart! its not that close

lolawlrofl rofles and pwncakes

(yeah, ima make you move it, we're semi on topic about "family dynasties" with the consanguinity talk)

[Spectatrix]

(yeah, ima make you move it, we're semi on topic about "family dynasties" with the consanguinity talk)

[pebkac]

Yeah, nevermind, i was looking at chart wrong (in my book)

Goes both ways... disregard

god i hate consanguinity

http://ethics.nv.gov/Consanguinity%20Chart...explanation.pdf

And apparently, our system is one of the simplest. My boyfriend was explaining some ways of doing things in other cultures and it's a lot more complicated.

This post has been edited by pebkac: Nov 14 2007, 10:53 AM

[Spectatrix]

And apparently, our system is one of the simplest. My boyfriend was explaining some ways of doing things in other cultures and it's a lot more complicated.

Like parallel cousins being referred to as "brother" and "sister" while cross cousins aren't?

[Spectatrix]

Apparently we use Eskimo kinship in the US! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_kinship

Others include...
Hawaiian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_kinship (different, but simple)
Iroquois: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_kinship (not bad)
Crow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_kinship (pretty fucked up)
Omaha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_kinship (totally fucked up!)
Sudanese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_kinship (apparently extremely complicated)