Overweight people live longer Options

[pebkac]

[Seeker]

good for you fatty mcfatterton

[pysex]

and with smoking at an all time high, ingesting shitty made fake foods, china, gonnaherpasyphillaids, clowns, africa, and the apparent global climate emergency...THE EARTH WILL BE DEAD IN APPROXIMATELY 3 YEARS.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

The mortality is lower from those, but it's higher with things like atherosclerosis, hypertension, heart disease, diabetes, etc etc...

[chook]

Those are just relative rates. There are people who are sick that are underweight and smokers are skinnier. I have a BMI of about 14-16, and don't consider myself underweight.

[Mommy]

normal weight people still live the longest i would venture to say

[woody]

you only say that cause you're 'normal weight'

[pebkac]

normal weight people still live the longest i would venture to say

Well, according to the chart, overweight people live longer than normal weight people.

But then again, the government's body mass index has been criticized for a while. IIRC, it doesn't take into account whether the body mass is fat or muscle. Thus I would assume that bulkier people who exercise a lot would be more likely to fall into that category. But that's just conjecture on my part.

[Spectatrix]

No, according to the chart, fewer overweight people die of the listed causes. It says nothing about the age of death for any of the groups.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

Ugh....I just lost a whole damned rant about this issue....

basically, in summation, most folks who workout only do so for cosmetic reasons, so they look pretty but are actually as unhealthy as the common Joe who is sitting his fat ass on the couch.

Weight can be deceptive, because the fat person can be healthy while the buff person can be unhealthy, and vice versa. It's not weight that should be focused on, it's high body fat percentage (as that seems to have the strongest correlation with disease and poor health)....but the most accurate test for that is the water tank method, and most people don't like it. BMI is just bad bad bad....its inaccurate.

[pebkac]

No, according to the chart, fewer overweight people die of the listed causes. It says nothing about the age of death for any of the groups.

Well, it stands to reason that if fewer of them are dying, it's because they're living longer.

[pysex]

you can be a skinny beanpole and have high cholesterol and die of a heart attack before fat joe on the couch

the only way you can be 100% healthy is to do EVERYTHING right and that's pretty much fucking impossible so accept the fact that no matter how you look you will die of something!!!

YAY!!!

[Spectatrix]

Well, it stands to reason that if fewer of them are dying, it's because they're living longer.

Just saying, more skinny people might get those diseases, but they might get them later in life and die older. I don't know that that's the case, just that you can't make the jump from this chart to life expectancy.

[Epic]

the chart is simplistic and the summary is misleading

fat people die less???

EVERYONE DIES JUST ONCE AND EVERYONE DIES.

seriously

[FORSAKENR320]

jesus died twice


he tried to comeback, but i shot him during a hunting accident

[Mommy]

Well, according to the chart, overweight people live longer than normal weight people.

But then again, the government's body mass index has been criticized for a while. IIRC, it doesn't take into account whether the body mass is fat or muscle. Thus I would assume that bulkier people who exercise a lot would be more likely to fall into that category. But that's just conjecture on my part.

That chart says nothing about normal weight.... it only compares overweight to underweight and severely obese. So basically, the chubby kids will live longer than the anorexics and whales.

[Mommy]

Am I the only person here that realizes that the chart says nothing about people who have a BMI between 18.5 and 25, which is what is considered to be healthy? Jesus Christ...Im dumb but even I see this. The person that wrote the line at the top of the chart is a fucking idiot. You cannot compare underweight and overweight, and use those results to say that overweight people live longer than normal weight

[pebkac]

Am I the only person here that realizes that the chart says nothing about people who have a BMI between 18.5 and 25, which is what is considered to be healthy? Jesus Christ...Im dumb but even I see this. The person that wrote the line at the top of the chart is a fucking idiot. You cannot compare underweight and overweight, and use those results to say that overweight people live longer than normal weight

Look at the bottom. The first few words are in bold letters.

"Thousands of excess deaths in 2004, compared with normal weight."

The chart uses normal people as a baseline.

This post has been edited by pebkac: Nov 8 2007, 03:51 PM

[False Dude]

The article to go with the chart. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/health/0...amp;oref=slogin

Linking, for the first time, causes of death to specific weights, they report that overweight people have a lower death rate because they are much less likely to die from a grab bag of diseases that includes Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, infections and lung disease. And that lower risk is not counteracted by increased risks of dying from any other disease, including cancer, diabetes or heart disease.

The new study began several years ago when the investigators used national data to look at death risks according to body weight. They concluded that, compared with people of normal weight, the overweight had a decreased death risk and the underweight and obese had increased risk.

“Health extends far beyond mortality rates,” said Dr. JoAnn Manson, chief of preventive medicine at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston.

[Oasis]

basically, in summation, most folks who workout only do so for cosmetic reasons, so they look pretty but are actually as unhealthy as the common Joe who is sitting his fat ass on the couch.

That's the dumbest fucking statement I've ever read in four years of posting on here.

Six months ago I was a mess. Drinking every night, eating fast food every meal, rarely working out, sitting on my ass watching too much tv, etc. My blood pressure and cholesterol were too high for someone my weight (190) and age. I looked like shit

Since then I've started eating better, drinking less, working out and running more, and generally being more active. I now run 3-4 miles every evening with relative ease and can do about 15 reps on bench at 200 pounds. My blood pressure is now slightly below normal, and my cholesterol has gone down a bit (heard this isn't exactly an overnight process). My diet is much better and I drink whisky about once a week or less. I have more endurance, I'm stronger, I'm quicker, and I look a helluva lot better. Of course I did it for cosmetic reasons. The better shape I'm in, the more self confidence I have. Nothing wrong with that.

I guaranfuckingtee you that I'm healthier than someone who sits on their ass and plays video games all day. I know this for a fact because I skate and play basketball with a bunch of guys. Earlier this summer I was getting schooled. Now I'm schooling them.

The only person who would say something as colossally stupid as that is someone who is overweight and is trying to justify being a lazy worthless fatass. Keep telling yourself that porky. It isn't true, but maybe you'll eventually believe it is and it'll make everything ok

[griseyeux]

That's the dumbest fucking statement I've ever read in four years of posting on here.

Six months ago I was a mess. Drinking every night, eating fast food every meal, rarely working out, sitting on my ass watching too much tv, etc. My blood pressure and cholesterol were too high for someone my weight (190) and age. I looked like shit

Since then I've started eating better, drinking less, working out and running more, and generally being more active. I now run 3-4 miles every evening with relative ease and can do about 15 reps on bench at 200 pounds. My blood pressure is now slightly below normal, and my cholesterol has gone down a bit (heard this isn't exactly an overnight process). My diet is much better and I drink whisky about once a week or less. I have more endurance, I'm stronger, I'm quicker, and I look a helluva lot better. Of course I did it for cosmetic reasons. The better shape I'm in, the more self confidence I have. Nothing wrong with that.

I guaranfuckingtee you that I'm healthier than someone who sits on their ass and plays video games all day. I know this for a fact because I skate and play basketball with a bunch of guys. Earlier this summer I was getting schooled. Now I'm schooling them.

The only person who would say something as colossally stupid as that is someone who is overweight and is trying to justify being a lazy worthless fatass. Keep telling yourself that porky. It isn't true, but maybe you'll eventually believe it is and it'll make everything ok

You're like a regular Alcoholic Rocky Balboa now, aren't you? I, for one, am extremely impressed by your words and I'll have plenty of time to think about them when i am living in a van down by the river, won't I?

[Oasis]

You're like a regular Alcoholic Rocky Balboa now, aren't you? I, for one, am extremely impressed by your words and I'll have plenty of time to think about them when i am living in a van down by the river, won't I?

What the holy hell are you talking about?

[griseyeux]

What the holy hell are you talking about?

You know i really don' t know because i've spent the day drinking, watching dvds, eating fatty, delicious foods and cleaning my house.

[Testm0nkey]

but Will you may not be as healthy as an average joe who sits on his ass all day, has good genes and never had a drinking problem, smoked or anything. there are certainly a lot of people like that

[chook]

is the water method using Archimedes principal? (displacement vs mass)

[pysex]

"steady diet of government cheese"

[theIncredibleEdi...]

That's the dumbest fucking statement I've ever read in four years of posting on here.

Six months ago I was a mess. Drinking every night, eating fast food every meal, rarely working out, sitting on my ass watching too much tv, etc. My blood pressure and cholesterol were too high for someone my weight (190) and age. I looked like shit

Since then I've started eating better, drinking less, working out and running more, and generally being more active. I now run 3-4 miles every evening with relative ease and can do about 15 reps on bench at 200 pounds. My blood pressure is now slightly below normal, and my cholesterol has gone down a bit (heard this isn't exactly an overnight process). My diet is much better and I drink whisky about once a week or less. I have more endurance, I'm stronger, I'm quicker, and I look a helluva lot better. Of course I did it for cosmetic reasons. The better shape I'm in, the more self confidence I have. Nothing wrong with that.

I guaranfuckingtee you that I'm healthier than someone who sits on their ass and plays video games all day. I know this for a fact because I skate and play basketball with a bunch of guys. Earlier this summer I was getting schooled. Now I'm schooling them.

The only person who would say something as colossally stupid as that is someone who is overweight and is trying to justify being a lazy worthless fatass. Keep telling yourself that porky. It isn't true, but maybe you'll eventually believe it is and it'll make everything ok

It may be dumb to you, but if you ask most folks why they workout, they won't say, "oh, its for my health..." Fact is, most people workout to keep up with the media-projected images. Just walk around the rec center...I remember plenty of times going there and hearing girls complaining about being fat, and guys lifting weights and looking at themselves with admiration. You had a stimulus that shocked you into healthier behaviors.
A large population of people workout with any knowledge of nutrition and physiology....which is why so many people will ONLY lift weights, or ONLY do some cardio, or they will workout but maintain a fatty diet, or keep eating oversized portions. Perhaps you should have read my WHOLE statement....just shows the only one who is stupid, is you.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

is the water method using Archimedes principal? (displacement vs mass)

yes, it is using Archimedes Principal....so when you do the testing, they have you deflate your lungs as much as possible through exhalation, and you have to be completely submerged.
Because bone and muscle are more dense than water, a person with a larger percentage of fat free mass will weigh more in the water and have a lower percent body fat. Conversely, fat floats. Therefore, a large amount of fat mass will make the body lighter in the water and have a higher percent body fat.

[Mommy]

perhaps fat people live longer because they have less risk of injury because they do less.

I still think this is stupid and contradicts years worth of research.

Also, I still think this chart is fucking stupid.

[Oasis]

perhaps fat people live longer because they have less risk of injury because they do less.

I actually thought the same thing strangely but couldn't justify it enough to say it.

Duane, who gives a fuck why people work out? Whether it's to get in better shape, to get laid more often, to get a better job, whatever. At least they're trying, unlike you. I can't imagine you've ever worked out or eaten a proper meal in your life

[theIncredibleEdi...]

I actually thought the same thing strangely but couldn't justify it enough to say it.

Duane, who gives a fuck why people work out? Whether it's to get in better shape, to get laid more often, to get a better job, whatever. At least they're trying, unlike you. I can't imagine you've ever worked out or eaten a proper meal in your life

And how do you know I am not trying? Actually I jog 3 times a week. I do it for cardiovascular reasons..not to become skinny. I don't lift weights because I don't enjoy it, and I have no desire to have a six-pack. I am comfortable with where I am, and I am part of a community that celebrates that comfort.

And the reasoning for why people work out does matter. It often helps determine the duration and intensity of how people are going to work out. People who do it for cosmetic reasons often give up quicker because they find they don't get the results as quickly as they wanted....hence the HUGE demand for all those pills for weight loss. The people who genuinely work out for health reasons often make lifestyle and behavior changes that assist in improving their health.

So, make the nasty comments you want about my weight, because you're far from perfect.

[Dogmeat]

every single other thing I've ever seen in my entire life has stated the exact opposite of that.

[pysex]

A lot of people that consider themselves to be fit damage their bodies by overdoing it...

[Dogmeat]

A lot of people that consider themselves to be fit damage their bodies by overdoing it...

tell me about it

I've always got some joint, muscle, or private part fucked up from overworking it

[FORSAKENR320]

tell me about it

or private part fucked up from overworking it

loosen your grip

[GOB]

to get a better job

funny you mention this because i was looking at the profiles for the big executives at work today, and not a single one of them was overweight.

my boss' boss is actually a milf

[pebkac]

I actually thought the same thing strangely but couldn't justify it enough to say it.

Duane, who gives a fuck why people work out? Whether it's to get in better shape, to get laid more often, to get a better job, whatever. At least they're trying, unlike you. I can't imagine you've ever worked out or eaten a proper meal in your life

Health & Fitness DRAMA

[pysex]

funny you mention this because i was looking at the profiles for the big executives at work today, and not a single one of them was overweight.

my boss' boss is actually a milf

DO IT CHARLIE

MOVE UP THE LADDER

[GOB]

DO IT CHARLIE

MOVE UP THE LADDER

it'll take some finesse...


but if there's one thing i know, it's how to manipulate people.