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Donating to Ron Paul?
Will you donate on November 5th?
Yes, I support Ron Paul and I'll donate $100 [ 2 ] ** [11.76%]
Yes, I support Ron Paul and I'll donate more than $100 [ 1 ] ** [5.88%]
Yes, I support Ron Paul and I'll donate, but less than $100 [ 2 ] ** [11.76%]
I support Ron Paul but I won't donate [ 2 ] ** [11.76%]
I support Ron Paul and I might donate later, but not now. [ 1 ] ** [5.88%]
I don't support Ron Paul [ 9 ] ** [52.94%]
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jonathan83
post Nov 2 2007, 01:06 AM
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http://thisnovember5th.com/

just curious if anyone is actually planning on donating $100?
there seems to be a lot of Ron Paul support on here, so are you putting your money where your mouth is?

see the video Lance posted for more info here: http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4810


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post Nov 2 2007, 02:03 AM
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I prefer to not waste my money.

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I've been meaning to donate, so I think now is as good a time as any.


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I am skeptical any amount of money would get him elected.


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my next $100 goes to my drug habit.

not some silly politician.


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post Nov 5 2007, 01:01 AM
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250K raised in the first hour and a half:
http://ronpaulgraphs.com/nov_5_extended_total.html

Regardless, that's pretty impressive (especially at 12:00am!)


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I'd rather light a $100 bill on fire


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I bet he raises 2.5 million total from this....


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Just made my donation.


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post Nov 5 2007, 08:24 AM
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950k as of 8:30am


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post Nov 5 2007, 08:43 AM
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over 1,000K... or 1M


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post Nov 5 2007, 09:28 AM
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1.2M

i wonder what's the record for the most money donated in one day to a presidential candidate. anyone know?


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I am a bit surprised that no media has covered this so far. I mean even if they think that Ron Paul is a third tier candidate with no chance at winning, shouldn't the headline read "Third tier candidate Ron Paul amasses 1.5 million in 12 hours"...


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right now he is averaging about $2500 a minute...


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post Nov 5 2007, 03:35 PM
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i just put in my ron paul donation

i think it's obvious the guy has more support than big media is giving him credit for
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post Nov 5 2007, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 5 2007, 09:28 AM) *
1.2M

i wonder what's the record for the most money donated in one day to a presidential candidate. anyone know?


I doubt it. Hillary is a money-making machine.

On another note, I was researching this question and found this:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/toprecip....asp?cycle=2008

Apparently, Hillary is the candidate that got next of Texas's money in Q3. blink.gif


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post Nov 5 2007, 06:13 PM
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2.7m... impressive.
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up to 3 mil now and should climb even higher before midnight once the west coast people get off work
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3.2 mil and nothing on the news still???


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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 5 2007, 07:13 PM) *
3.2 mil and nothing on the news still???


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/...on.ron.paul.cnn


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yeah finally made CNN headlines.

I checked the Ron Paul website and evidently this is the most money raised online in a single day, and just surpassed the most money raised in a single day so far in this election (previous was Mitt Romney with 3.1mil in January).
About to hit 3.5mil, probably reach 4mil by the end of the day.

I can imagine that the headlines will roll in come tomorrow when everyone has enough time to digest what just happened...

I think pretty much every person was surprised by this outpour of support (even Ron Paul supporters I would imagine). This is pretty fucking insane for ANY candidate, yet alone a "second tier" one...


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just about 4mil (3.98mil to be exact) in 24 hours...Incredible...

and the pace is $2500 a minute STILL, who knows how much he winds with when tomorrow morning rolls around....

Ok pace has slowed down to about $1500 a minute now, looks like the drive is finally coming to a slowdown...


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Does everyone not know anything about ron paul or do they just support him because he's the least douchey of everyone? The man wants to fucking eliminate public education, that means texas tech would go bye bye. This guy could potentially be the worst thing that could ever happen to america. I mean he would get rid of transportation departments, homeland security, the FBI, NSA, CIA, fucking everything. Nut-ball
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but he's also planning on getting rid of niggers


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QUOTE (prefix @ Nov 6 2007, 12:41 AM) *
Does everyone not know anything about ron paul or do they just support him because he's the least douchey of everyone? The man wants to fucking eliminate public education, that means texas tech would go bye bye. This guy could potentially be the worst thing that could ever happen to america. I mean he would get rid of transportation departments, homeland security, the FBI, NSA, CIA, fucking everything. Nut-ball


Good riddance. Public education is designed to brainwash civilians and make them nice little capitalist consumers. Obey authority, question nothing, and all is well.
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I would vote ten times for Hillary before I would throw a single vote towards Ron Paul.
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 6 2007, 01:15 AM) *
I would vote ten times for Hillary before I would throw a single vote towards Ron Paul.


Because Hillary is a lesbian and you are too?

http://www.digg.com/politics/Hillary_Clint...ian_Sex_Scandal
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http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2007/11/ano...ig-head-dc.html

What do you have against Ron Paul?
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 6 2007, 02:15 AM) *
I would vote ten times for Hillary before I would throw a single vote towards Ron Paul.

seconded.


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Guess you guys aren't Constitutionalists. What's wrong, the constitution not good enough for you? Guess we should scrap it like George Bush and Hillary Clinton want to and just instill a Bush/Clinton Monarchy.

If you vote for another Clinton (or Bush) you deserve to be shot (and I'll be the one to pull the trigger).
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QUOTE (Watchman @ Nov 6 2007, 02:51 AM) *
Guess you guys aren't Constitutionalists. What's wrong, the constitution not good enough for you? Guess we should scrap it like George Bush and Hillary Clinton want to and just instill a Bush/Clinton Monarchy.

If you vote for another Clinton (or Bush) you deserve to be shot (and I'll be the one to pull the trigger).

Wow, how anti-Constitution of you Lance.

Didn't say I'd vote for Hilary. I just said that the devil-bitch is better than Whacko McDingleberry in comparison.

But there you go...putting words in the mouth (or, well...text on the page) of those that think differently than you.


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No other candidate is pro-constitution (besides whomever the Libertarian candidate is) so if you're anti-Ron Paul then by inference you're anti-constitution. Nice try though.
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QUOTE (Watchman @ Nov 6 2007, 03:24 AM) *
No other candidate is pro-constitution (besides whomever the Libertarian candidate is) so if you're anti-Ron Paul then by inference you're anti-constitution. Nice try though.

I'm anti-Ron and am not pro- for any other candidate, as far as willing to toss a vote towards ANY of them. They're all douchebag, politician scumbags.

Nice try yourself.


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What do you have against Ron Paul, what'd he do... fuck your mom?
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QUOTE (Watchman @ Nov 6 2007, 03:41 AM) *
What do you have against Ron Paul, what'd he do... fuck your mom?

....and he didn't even send me a birthday card, ever. ='(




He's just a candidate that preys on "extremist changers" in society...people that think regressing (disguised as progressing) to x degree will solve all of the country's ills.
Spouting deconstructionist propaganda at the masses for the sake of boosting one's ego does NOT a good President make.


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I dont even have a clue who this guy is, but since a bunch of college people support him, he must be a complete retard laugh.gif


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post Nov 6 2007, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Nov 6 2007, 04:11 AM) *
....and he didn't even send me a birthday card, ever. ='(
He's just a candidate that preys on "extremist changers" in society...people that think regressing (disguised as progressing) to x degree will solve all of the country's ills.
Spouting deconstructionist propaganda at the masses for the sake of boosting one's ego does NOT a good President make.

What makes a good president then?


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Does everyone not know anything about ron paul or do they just support him because he's the least douchey of everyone? The man wants to fucking eliminate public education, that means texas tech would go bye bye. This guy could potentially be the worst thing that could ever happen to america. I mean he would get rid of transportation departments, homeland security, the FBI, NSA, CIA, fucking everything. Nut-ball

actually you're wrong. he doesn't want to get rid of public education, he wants to get rid of the Department of Education. which by the way, sucks. i think everyone here can acknowledge the fact that America has one of the worst education systems in the world. the fact that he wants to change that is good.

i dont know where you get your info from to say that "texas tech would go bye bye."

also he said he'd get rid of homeland security, but never said anything about getting rid of the fbi, nsa, cia, or anything else. you're a moron. oh, and homeland security is only a couple years old, and haven't done much anyway.


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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 6 2007, 10:13 AM) *
actually you're wrong. he doesn't want to get rid of public education, he wants to get rid of the Department of Education. which by the way, sucks. i think everyone here can acknowledge the fact that America has one of the worst education systems in the world. the fact that he wants to change that is good.

i dont know where you get your info from to say that "texas tech would go bye bye."

also he said he'd get rid of homeland security, but never said anything about getting rid of the fbi, nsa, cia, or anything else. you're a moron. oh, and homeland security is only a couple years old, and haven't done much anyway.

No child left behind, what?


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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 6 2007, 10:13 AM) *
actually you're wrong. he doesn't want to get rid of public education, he wants to get rid of the Department of Education. which by the way, sucks. i think everyone here can acknowledge the fact that America has one of the worst education systems in the world. the fact that he wants to change that is good.

i dont know where you get your info from to say that "texas tech would go bye bye."

also he said he'd get rid of homeland security, but never said anything about getting rid of the fbi, nsa, cia, or anything else. you're a moron. oh, and homeland security is only a couple years old, and haven't done much anyway.

Yeah, I was about to comment about this. He wants to scale back/eliminate federal involvement in education (i.e. the Department of Education), transitioning the burden of responsibility on state/local government.

I admit I don't agree with every one of Dr. Paul's stances, but I've NEVER been 100% in agreement with a candidate. However, I see the overarching theme of his political philosophy, which is scaling back of the government with a great emphasis on personal freedom and personal responsibility. This philosophy certainly can be taken to extremes, but it will be tempered by Congress. I don't believe that Ron Paul would be able to sweep us into an anarchical state any more than Clinton would be able to sweep us into socialism. We currently have a very authoritarian country and we need someone in place to swing the pendulum back the other way.


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funny I am reading some Chomsky right now, and what he is discussing is the need for our government (in order for democracy to survive) to shift the power from the oligarchy that it is presently to a more populous driven form of government. So to say that it is a regression by doing just that is definitely a point a view, I would view it (and Chomsky would agree) as more of an improvement for the country...

as for the democrats/voting for Hillary, I watch the most recent debate where no major candidate (hillary, obama, edwards) said that they could guarantee withdrawing the troops by the END of their first term as president...I did a double take when I heard that...


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lol, good for flopping around like a dead fish.

In other news, Barrack and Edwards took a jab at Clinton.


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QUOTE (blaarg @ Nov 6 2007, 09:46 AM) *
as for the democrats/voting for Hillary, I watch the most recent debate where no major candidate (hillary, obama, edwards) said that they could guarantee withdrawing the troops by the END of their first term as president...I did a double take when I heard that...


shocking to anyone who actually believed them


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QUOTE (Watchman @ Nov 6 2007, 01:51 AM) *
Guess you guys aren't Constitutionalists. What's wrong, the constitution not good enough for you? Guess we should scrap it like George Bush and Hillary Clinton want to and just instill a Bush/Clinton Monarchy.

If you vote for another Clinton (or Bush) you deserve to be shot (and I'll be the one to pull the trigger).

Right....

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What makes a good president then?

Hasn't been one in a while. I've forgotten what it's like...If I was even alive when there was a good president.

And leaving education to the states/local arena?! Haha, some towns will hand out the Bible as the ONLY textbook while others will burn it as part of recess. laugh.gif


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getting rid of federal involvement in education - you people SERIOUSLY think thats a good idea? its not just about no child left behind. the department of education existed for a long time before that ever passed


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The Federal government dumbs down education to the lowest common denominator. We need to let education rest in the hands of State/Local governments and that way we'll have states that excel at education and would crank out the smartest people in the world and some states that just crank out dumbasses.

The dumb states would quickly model the highest perofrming states and balance itself out.

Quit dumbing down education for minorities and retards... let the smart people excel.
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The dumb states would quickly model the highest perofrming states and balance itself out.


Wow, you state that so matter-of-factly.

How quick are you talking here?


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With public education standards and regulations in the hands of federal government, feedback from the people that really matter -- the parents -- goes virtually unnoticed. The closer to home it's controlled, the more impact the voice of the people has. Why do private schools typically have higher quality graduates than public schools? It's not just about money (though, admittedly, teachers do need to be paid more). It's about parental involvement and pressure. They can effect change there because it's run locally.

It also gives states a little more room for experimentation. If they try some technique or setup and it fails to give the results they wanted, other states benefit from that experience and, in turn, the state with failed policies gets to learn from the states that are doing well. As is, with failed policies like No Child Left Behind, everyone suffers and has to scramble to find the next thing to propose and try.

I would actually propose not that the Department of Education be abolished altogether, but that its role change from that of a regulatory agency to an observer that facilitates communication between the state education departments for the betterment of all.

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Oh and for those who don't know, getting rid of the Department of Education is not a new idea. From Wiki:

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President Ronald Reagan promised during the 1980 presidential election to eliminate the Department of Education as a cabinet post,[1] but he was not able to do so with a Democratic House of Representatives. In the 1982 State of the Union Address, he pledged, "The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education."[2] Throughout the 1980s, the abolition of the Department of Education was a part of the Republican Party platform, but the administration of President George H.W. Bush declined to implement this idea.

In 1996, the Republican Party made abolition of the Department a cornerstone of their campaign promises, calling it an inappropriate federal intrusion into local, state, and family affairs.[2] The GOP platform read: "The Federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula or to control jobs in the market place. This is why we will abolish the Department of Education, end federal meddling in our schools, and promote family choice at all levels of learning."[2][3] During his 1996 presidential run, Senator Bob Dole promised, "We're going to cut out the Department of Education."[3] A 1997 survey conducted by Congressman Ron Paul found that 54% of his constituency wished to abolish the federal Department of Education.

Historic GOP opposition... yet ironically, it's President Bush who has dramatically expanded the scope of the department, with NCLB.... dry.gif


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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 6 2007, 02:51 PM) *
Historic GOP opposition... yet ironically, it's President Bush who has dramatically expanded the scope of the department, with NCLB.... dry.gif


Yeah that is another thing that Ron Paul hits hard on is how he is running on a platform which other republicans have had the same position (no world policing, fiscal responsibility, etc...) in the past (most noticeably Reagan). It's kind of funny how people think of his ideas as "extreme" especially in the republican party...


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just like spec, lance, and i said previously, private schools offer more competition. parents can control more of what goes on, some schools may go out of business while others excel. eventually what would happen is there would be a large amount of really good schools that compete with each other year in and year out. kind of like ivy league schools, but for high school, etc.

this is exactly what it's like in south korea (where i taught for a year) and they have one of the best education systems in the world.


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if it ain't broke, don't fix it. OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION IS FUCKING BROKE, SO DO SOMETHING AND FIX IT!


whatever we do, we have to try something new. because the way things are right now is unacceptable.

and just so you know, i fully agree with lance. if you're fucking retarded, or just don't take your education seriously, then you deserve to be head fry chef until you are 50.


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this is exactly what it's like in south korea (where i taught for a year) and they have one of the best education systems in the world.

Are their schools all privately funded?


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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 6 2007, 04:16 PM) *
Are their schools all privately funded?

I'm pretty sure Japan's is and they come out with some brighties.


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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 6 2007, 04:16 PM) *
Are their schools all privately funded?

well they do have government-backed public schools, but in addition they have privately funded schools which far outnumber the public schools. the public schools are provided free of cost, just like ours. the private schools can vary in price.
also, i believe most kids do a combination of the two. they'll go to public school, but also go to a private school on the side for extra classes.

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I'm pretty sure Japan's is and they come out with some brighties.

yeah i'm pretty sure japan has the same system as korea


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Are there any problems with parents not being able to afford school for their children? Or does the competition keep prices down to a reasonable level?


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I have an opinion !!!! Oh wait.........


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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 7 2007, 07:54 AM) *
Are there any problems with parents not being able to afford school for their children? Or does the competition keep prices down to a reasonable level?

I don't know all that information really. I taught in a very affluent area where it cost $1500 a month just for preschool education...mind you, my school was a top name in the business and most students were the kids of extremely wealthy people. That's why I don't know information for the less wealthy areas. However, I know it's very common, so I'm sure there are different levels of prices, depending on city/suburb, etc.

Anyway, there is a lot of money in South Korea, and parents spend A LOT on education. It's almost ridiculous, but it works.

As for high schools, you actually have to take an entrance exam to be admitted (so it's competitive). There are all sorts of different high schools to go to.

some info i found on the web: http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/korea/education.htm
http://www.teachkoreanz.com/teaching/students/parent.htm


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