Texas Secession Options

[impala454]

So this was brought up on the radio yesterday. Apparently there movements in several states (Alaska, Hawaii, and a few others... lol Vermont?) and just about everyone who called in agreed that it'd be a great idea and they think we could succeed as our own nation. What do you guys think?

[cmac]

i'd love to see the u.s. get rid of texas.
no, no, yes.

[cupcake]

I voted yes on all 3 counts.

[cmac]

i think alaska could be the only one that might have a chance succeeding at seceding.
vermont. really...?

This post has been edited by cmac: Oct 5 2007, 12:07 PM

[impala454]

I thought the idea of vermont seceding would be hilarious.

I could see Hawaii seceding, they're basically their own country anyways..

[cupcake]

I thought the idea of vermont seceding would be hilarious.

I could see Hawaii seceding, they're basically their own country Japan anyways..

fixed

[Psykopath]

no, no, no

We lost the ability to succeed when we re-entered the union following the civil war. We'd be one fucked "nation" if we did somehow find a way to succeed (without a forceful resistance from the federal government). Loss of federal funds = higher taxes or MASSIVE drop in services.

[cupcake]

?

we currently don't pay state taxes.

our federal tax we pay would just roll over to texas is we seceded.

[Psykopath]

?

we currently don't pay state taxes.

our federal tax we pay would just roll over to texas is we seceded.

Think those rolled over taxes on their own would be able to suddenly support ever facet of a nation's fiscal responsibility?

[cupcake]

hell if I know...

I know this state's GDP would be outrageous though. We're carrying the load of nonhackers like new mexico and other halfass states.

[cupcake]

In 2006, Texas had a gross state product of $1.09 trillion...from wiki

that is not including the tax we could levy on our exports.

[impala454]

I believe I heard during the discussion yesterday that if Texas was counted as its own nation, we would have the 10th highest GDP in the world.

[Psykopath]

This seems fitting for this thread right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4xs3wQusjo



So, we could suddenly afford our own "Texas Sized"(added that in to be facetious, obviously) military?
Do those that support succession believe that things would be better or worse than now for the general populace of Texas? What style government would you want and do you feel there would be enough support for said government to function?

Considering most of those "Republic of Texas" numbnuts are racists, inbred, pricks...I don't know how much they'd support a real democracy.

[Seeker]

States wouldn't have to secede if the Union wouldn't try to trump States rights, for example... let the States that want to have abortion legal have it legal and let the States that want abortion illegal have it illegal.

When the U.S. was formed the Federal government was supposed to be extremely limited and anything not explicitly granted to the Federal government in the constitution is decided by the States. Nowadays you have the Federal government telling everyone how to live their life. California wants medical marijuana to be legal and has voted to make it legal, but the Feds come in and bust legal California grow houses. If California wants marijuana to be legal then more power to them, the Federal government shouldn't be telling them what to do.

This is the same exact issue that led to the Civil War, most of you think it was about slavery but the issue was State's rights. It's time for another Civil War or a revolution!

[Spectatrix]

yes, yes (well, maybe, depends on what was implemented), no

[impala454]

This seems fitting for this thread right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4xs3wQusjo

heheh cool. i have a huge collection of all (i think it's all of em) of those bud light commercials in mp3. if anyone wants em lemme know and i'll try to zip em up and put it up somewhere.

So, we could suddenly afford our own "Texas Sized"(added that in to be facetious, obviously) military?
Do those that support succession believe that things would be better or worse than now for the general populace of Texas? What style government would you want and do you feel there would be enough support for said government to function?

I think we'd have a very powerful military. We are a huge state and no doubt have a lot of folks in the armed forces that would come over with the secession. We have a pretty good infrastructure with bases and such (it's not like the U.S. could just uproot a base and take it with them). We have most of the aerospace and weapons companies, and a huge stockpile of U.S. nuclear weapons are in Amarillo. We're still strategically placed, between the U.S and Mexico. I would forsee a possible war with Mexico as their corrupt ass govt could possibly think they could take us over again... that could be interesting depending on who the U.S. would back.

I think democracy would work fine. It's already practiced and Texas state law is already very indicative of the population's views (obviously much more conservative in general than the rest of the U.S.).

Considering most of those "Republic of Texas" numbnuts are racists, inbred, pricks...I don't know how much they'd support a real democracy.

Well I don't think the Republic of Texas proponents have much of a following really.

[impala454]

This is the same exact issue that led to the Civil War, most of you think it was about slavery but the issue was State's rights. It's time for another Civil War or a revolution!

well it was really about a combo of the two, the states wanted to control their own slave trade.

[impala454]

really interesting poll results so far... 8/10 say they'd live in Texas if it seceded, yet only 4/10 think it should secede

[Psykopath]

I think we'd have a very powerful military. We are a huge state and no doubt have a lot of folks in the armed forces that would come over with the secession.

Would the US government suddenly allow a chunk of the military to go AWOL?

We have a pretty good infrastructure with bases and such (it's not like the U.S. could just uproot a base and take it with them).

They'd leave the base, but take all of the US MILITARY equipment.

We have most of the aerospace and weapons companies, and a huge stockpile of U.S. nuclear weapons are in Amarillo.

...yep. Guess the US would allow a just succeeded state to keep those, right?

We're still strategically placed, between the U.S and Mexico. I would forsee a possible war with Mexico as their corrupt ass govt could possibly think they could take us over again... that could be interesting depending on who the U.S. would back.

I'd see the US sitting it out thinking we'd ask for their help then swooping in to make the save with the clause that we re-enter the Union.
Though it's Mexico...I feel Texas could at least hold its own, given the necessary military equipment/training was there.

I think democracy would work fine. It's already practiced and Texas state law is already very indicative of the population's views (obviously much more conservative in general than the rest of the U.S.).
Well I don't think the Republic of Texas proponents have much of a following really.

Yeah, but I'd fear certain "Christian morality" laws would come into play. Morality police peeping in bedrooms and such...oh wait, already happened.

[Spectatrix]

This is the same exact issue that led to the Civil War, most of you think it was about slavery but the issue was State's rights. It's time for another Civil War or a revolution!

Difference is, opinions on slavery were fairly strongly defined by geographic lines. Abortion and legalizing marijuana, really not so much.

[cmac]

that could be interesting depending on who the U.S. would back.

U.S., in its current state, would attack Canada.

[impala454]

Would the US government suddenly allow a chunk of the military to go AWOL?
They'd leave the base, but take all of the US MILITARY equipment.
...yep. Guess the US would allow a just succeeded state to keep those, right?
I'd see the US sitting it out thinking we'd ask for their help then swooping in to make the save with the clause that we re-enter the Union.
Though it's Mexico...I feel Texas could at least hold its own, given the necessary military equipment/training was there.

Well but then again how much has the state of texas contributed to those weapons/equipment? how many texas residents currently in the military would leave texas just to stay in the US military? it's a really interesting topic I think, because it's not an everyday occurence. the U.S. could not take every desk and computer and stapler and rifle from this state that has a U.S. stamp on it. they also wouldn't want to have bad relations with us, especially considering we control the largest oil refining area in the area, as well as huge shipping industry.

Yeah, but I'd fear certain "Christian morality" laws would come into play. Morality police peeping in bedrooms and such...oh wait, already happened.

that was not in texas...

U.S., in its current state, would attack Canada.

so you're saying if Texas seceded, the U.S. would attack Canada??

[Psykopath]

that was not in texas...

random google searching:

http://www.sodomylaws.org/lawrence/lawrence.htm


Heh...sodomylaws.org.

[Oasis]

Marginally good idea in theory, would never work though. Plus, I don't particularly like the federal government. I don't need a reason to dislike Texas, and I would if we were our own nation

[cmac]

i'm making fun of the bush administration.

[impala454]

random google searching:

http://www.sodomylaws.org/lawrence/lawrence.htm
Heh...sodomylaws.org.

i figured you were referring to the senator craig thing. sodomy laws wouldn't bother me though.

[cupcake]

It's time for another Civil War or a revolution!

I have a feeling we will see a movement for change of some sort in our lifetime...

[impala454]

probably sooner rather than later if hilary is elected and we end up with a democrat controlled congress.

[Spectatrix]

sodomy laws wouldn't bother me though.

Really? You think the government has business regulating the private sexual lives of consenting adults? That's what sodomy laws amount to...

Or do you just mean they wouldn't impact you personally?

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Oct 5 2007, 03:20 PM

[cupcake]

cannonball's vision for the United Texas of Texas:

-open carry gun rights. permit for concealed only (like AZ).
-1oz decriminalized personal maryjane (like canada).
-border wall that makes china's look like a chain-link fence.
-1 mexican/illegal slave per household. 2 if household is over 6 people. hey we can't deport em all, and they sure as fuck shouldn't be rewarded for breaking our laws.
-public executions...like halftime at a ball game. hanging? guillatine? I think we could stomach it.
-85mph speed limit on highways.
-TFL...texas football league. eventually the NFL would be reduced to what soccer is today.
-legalize MX bikes for street riding. I'm not talking about those halfass dual purpose bikes, I'm talking like YZ250's and shit. gridlock would be a distant memory. set up jumps along the side of I-35...Fuck it, it's your life.
-18 drinking age.
-beer sold at college games. beer sold at fast food joints. beer at movie theaters. basically, beer sold everywhere.
-more cheerleaders. like at work...or in congress. we have so many hot chicks we could make this happen.
-Texas Rangers are only federal law enforcement...crooked ass FBI/CIA/NSA...fuckin SEE YA! don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
-Currency would have heros of the alamo and old west. coins would have outlaws.

we'd rule.

[impala454]

Or do you just mean they wouldn't impact you personally?

this.

[impala454]

-border wall that makes china's look like a chain-link fence.

i think we need this whether texas seceded or not

[cupcake]

me too.

except around the whole state. talk about some trashy neighbors...lousiana, mobilhoma, new mexico...the hell!??

This seems fitting for this thread right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4xs3wQusjo

other states are wussier...

[GOB]

i'd love to see the u.s. get rid of texas.
no, no, yes.

this

[pysex]

there are far more deserving states that need forced secession...

let's not be assholes

[cmac]

such as....

[chook]

I think they should build a fence between Colorado and Wyoming.

[pysex]

such as....

california....florida....louisiana



i just want to know where your hate is placed for texas and if you're from colorado

[GOB]

if you're from colorado

i love how texans think this is the be-all-end-all of texan repugnance.

not that i have to go into it (again, though i will), but everyone outside of texas think it's a joke. topics like this just fuel the fire. are louisiana and new mexico more deserving of secession? probably (because at least texas has an economy), but texas is full of more fatuous turds, so it's a much bigger, funnier target.

go take your vacations in iowa or minnesota and tell people you're a texan, then report back here.

"but you could go anywhere in the world and people would know about texas." big mothingfucking whoopdefuckingdo. yeah, how about you also tell a european you support george bush. i'm sure that'll go over well.

[jonathan83]

i voted yes, yes, no.

texas could secede and be ok, but i don't think it's the best idea.
well...unless some huge civil war happened or something.

[impala454]

i love how texans think this is the be-all-end-all of texan repugnance.

not that i have to go into it (again, though i will), but everyone outside of texas think it's a joke. topics like this just fuel the fire. are louisiana and new mexico more deserving of secession? probably (because at least texas has an economy), but texas is full of more fatuous turds, so it's a much bigger, funnier target.

go take your vacations in iowa or minnesota and tell people you're a texan, then report back here.

"but you could go anywhere in the world and people would know about texas." big mothingfucking whoopdefuckingdo. yeah, how about you also tell a european you support george bush. i'm sure that'll go over well.

A coworker of mine and I took a trip to our philly area office back in february. We were very well recieved everywhere we went. People heard our accent or saw our Texas Tech shirts, and instantly were very nice to us. We had steaks at a nice restaurant and when we told them they were awesome, they were all "yes! the guys from texas like our steaks!". Waiters/Waitresses/Hotel People/Coworkers all chatted us up and asked us about what we thought of the area. To be honest I was surprised. I've heard of lots of the same stories from other people as well.

sorry bud, but your blanket statement of "everybody outside texas thinks it's a joke" is downright stupid, and pulled straight outta your ass.

[pebkac]

Actually, I've heard that Europeans tend to look up to Texans for some strange, strange reason.

[GOB]

A coworker of mine and I took a trip to our philly area office back in february. We were very well recieved everywhere we went. People heard our accent or saw our Texas Tech shirts, and instantly were very nice to us. We had steaks at a nice restaurant and when we told them they were awesome, they were all "yes! the guys from texas like our steaks!". Waiters/Waitresses/Hotel People/Coworkers all chatted us up and asked us about what we thought of the area. To be honest I was surprised. I've heard of lots of the same stories from other people as well.

sorry bud, but your blanket statement of "everybody outside texas thinks it's a joke" is downright stupid, and pulled straight outta your ass.

so 100% of the population is going to be shitty to your face, right? a waitress working for tips is going to tell you to shove it? hooray meeting 2 people

ha, you fucking texan.

[Oasis]

i love how texans think this is the be-all-end-all of texan repugnance.

not that i have to go into it (again, though i will), but everyone outside of texas think it's a joke. topics like this just fuel the fire. are louisiana and new mexico more deserving of secession? probably (because at least texas has an economy), but texas is full of more fatuous turds, so it's a much bigger, funnier target.

go take your vacations in iowa or minnesota and tell people you're a texan, then report back here.

"but you could go anywhere in the world and people would know about texas." big mothingfucking whoopdefuckingdo. yeah, how about you also tell a european you support george bush. i'm sure that'll go over well.

Uhh, why do you live here then?

[Inferia]

A coworker of mine and I took a trip to our philly area office back in february. We were very well recieved everywhere we went. People heard our accent or saw our Texas Tech shirts, and instantly were very nice to us. We had steaks at a nice restaurant and when we told them they were awesome, they were all "yes! the guys from texas like our steaks!". Waiters/Waitresses/Hotel People/Coworkers all chatted us up and asked us about what we thought of the area. To be honest I was surprised. I've heard of lots of the same stories from other people as well.

sorry bud, but your blanket statement of "everybody outside texas thinks it's a joke" is downright stupid, and pulled straight outta your ass.

I think people tend to be civil regardless of where they're from (well, unless you're the president of Iran and get invited to Colombia for a talk, but that's another story), I'm not sure if this is indicative of one's opinion on a region/person. It would be pretty rude to give you crap just because you're from a certain place.

I guess my question is that for someone, a Texan serving in the military, would that person be more loyal to the US or to Texas?

[impala454]

so 100% of the population is going to be shitty to your face, right? a waitress working for tips is going to tell you to shove it? hooray meeting 2 people

ha, you fucking texan.

that's exactly what you did you damn hyporcrite. you've met a few people so you throw out some stupid blanket statement. your blanket statement was wrong. (with the exception of las vegas, but then again they're assholes to everyone equally )

[cmac]

i have a problem with texas ego. there's nothing cooler about your state than any other state, but texas people think they're living on land of gold. and piss on everyone else. the everything is bigger in texas thing just sums it up. when i told my neighbors in denver that i was from texas they gave me a sarcastic "oh." but when i told them i got out as soon as i could i was congratulated. and it's not just colorado. from my experience california, washington, georgia, and florida think the same thing. never been over seas but i've been told from two people that when they said they were from texas they were immediately asked if they supported bush. and one kicked out of a restaurant when they said yes. i lived in texas my whole life and it's the attitude of the people that gets me.

[GOB]

you've met a few people so you throw out some stupid blanket statement.

i've said all that i need to say, but i've lived all over the country, and it's pretty much the general consensus.

the everything is bigger in texas thing just sums it up.

heh, i actually heard some girl say they use this motto because texas is the biggest state

[Black Bear]

I am not as well travelled as a lot of people, but I have done some inside the U.S. It seems to me where ever I go I run into people who think their state is the greatest thing under the blue sky. I also run into people who love everything about Texas and want to talk to me (with me being quiet by nature does not help matters). And for every person who screams "I hate Texas and all Texans", I run into at least one if not more people who say "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could."

So bottom line is, if you don't like Texas, then don't live here, don't visit, heck, don't even drive through it. It is how I deal with colorado.

[Testm0nkey]

ive never met anyone who was all about texas. these stories you all say are crazy. they cant be as common as some of you make them out to be if ive never met a single one

i guess the closest person to that is impala and i only know him on the internets

[impala454]

well I do love Texas and I have a lot of pride in it, but I'm not an asshole about it to other people.

and the "everything's bigger in texas" is the catch phrase used by the people who don't live here... kinda like there's probably not that many people from vegas who use the "what happens in vegas stays in vegas" thing.

[pysex]

what a load of inflated crap


charlie and cmac....the only two who have said texas/texans suck are both from colorado

it's a colorado thing...(and sometimes alaska)

i've been to california and californians were just as friendly as virginians...

i've been to washington and they're just as friendly as people from south carolina

i've been to colorado and i've had people ask me where i'm from, i say texas, and they turn and walk the other way



there's some sort of stigma in colorado about texans...i don't know if it's a state thing...i've heard rumors that colorado people get upset because all the texans go there to ski (i guess they don't like visitors?)


i personally could care less what people think about texas....i have no hate for other states because there's no reason to

[jonathan83]

QUOTE(cmac @ Oct 6 2007, 09:07 AM) *
the everything is bigger in texas thing just sums it up.

heh, i actually heard some girl say they use this motto because texas is the biggest state

it's the unofficial motto. it used to be said all the time when texas was the biggest state. so this was being said before alaska was a state...so it goes back a way. even still, we're the biggest state within the contiguous US.

ive never met anyone who was all about texas. these stories you all say are crazy. they cant be as common as some of you make them out to be if ive never met a single one

i remember you talking about people being all about texas abroad before too. like when you were in europe and/or asia or something.

i've heard rumors that colorado people get upset because all the texans go there to ski (i guess they don't like visitors?)

supposedly they don't like us because we all go ski in colorado and can't drive as well in snow as they can. which is obvious since we don't get much snow anyway.

[Black Bear]

I can sum my experiences with colorado like this.

Guy #1: Where are you from.
Me: Texas
Guy #1: colorado is better than Texas.
Me: That's fine. I'm just here to look at the mountains.

Guy #2: colorado is better than Texas.
Me: That's fine. I'm just here to see the ancient ruins.

Guy #3: If we flattenned out colorado we would be bigger than Texas.
Me: That's fine. While you figure out how to flatten out your state I'm going to go look at the snow. Damn, that is a lot of snow. I hate snow.

Guy #4: Colorado is better than Texas.
Me: Fine, if colorado is so fucking great why can't you build a decent road that is better than the damn county roads back home?

[Testm0nkey]

heh, i actually heard some girl say they use this motto because texas is the biggest state


i remember you talking about people being all about texas abroad before too. like when you were in europe and/or asia or something.

japanese and germans arent texans so that has nothing to do with this thread. so right ive never met a texas person obsessed with texas, like apparently everyone in texas is
its the idea of cowboys

[cmac]

i'm not from colorado. i lived in texas for 25 years. i just moved here.

[Mommy]

nope, nope, nope

[Divergent Realit...]

Guy #3: If we flattenned out colorado we would be bigger than Texas.
Me: That's fine. While you figure out how to flatten out your state I'm going to go look at the snow. Damn, that is a lot of snow. I hate snow.

roffles.

thats a fun thing to read in the morning.