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[pebkac]

http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/news/2007090...arent-diagnosed

Turns out that it may not be as overdiagnosed as we think...

[impala454]

yeah... or it could be that mommy and daddy don't slap the shit outta the kid when they're doin stupid shit or not paying attention.

[pebkac]

yeah... or it could be that mommy and daddy don't slap the shit outta the kid when they're doin stupid shit or not paying attention.

Or it could be a chemical imbalance in the child's brain...

[GOB]

Or it could be a chemical imbalance in the child's brain...

this article doesn't give you justification to claim having add.

[Testm0nkey]

i was diagnosed with ADHD in the past but how do they expect someone with ADHD to take their medication?!
that always baffled me

article makes sense

[pebkac]

this article doesn't give you justification to claim having add.

I don't recall claiming to have ADD...

[pysex]

there is a slight validity to the argument that it's a chemical change...

i heard something that it could be the change in what we eat...we eat a lot of cheapened food products with a lot of strange chemicals


but i think the reason is that people don't understand the emotional stresses and changes their children are going through in today's society...

they go to a doctor because of a child's attitude and have no clue if their child really is suffering from anything...

and doctor's get kickbacks on medication they subscribe...especially ADHD drugs

[Testm0nkey]

It is a chemical thing in the brain. Thats already been shown

[impala454]

just means you gotta slap em harder

[Black Bear]

Or it could mean the child is bored out of their freaking little mind.

And their teacher sux. Sux big monkey balls. Big, hairy monkey balls.

Cause thats what some teachers do. They sux.

And the teacher doesn't want to deal with the child and so she tyies to label them as having ADD.

Happened to my nephew. All because his teacher sux.


To tell the truth I can understand treatment, but the drugs simply zombify people from what I've seen. If Largo entered a clinic with ritalin junkies he would try to kill them all as zombies. (No offense meant Glen). I worked with a guy named will who took his meds on the weekdays for school. But he was so much fucking fun on the weekends. He wasn't out of control, just not stupified by the meds.

So I really am not sure if I believe in all of the millions of kids have ADD bit, even with their clinical test numbers.

After all, as I beleive Mark Twain said, there are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

[RitalinJunkie]

Here is my 2 cents.

I have seen kids with ADD and kids diagnosed with ADD. A lot of kids ive seen who are diagnosed (but really only acting their age) are really bored....they dont pay attention in class because its TOO FUCKING EASY for them (thank you dumbed down standards). The kids who HAVE ADD need help, particularly the kids with legit ADHD, because my experience with them is that they are also somewhat emotionally disturbed (a lot of times because their parents "hit them harder" as impala put it)......

do some of these kids just need better discipline? (not more beating, but overall good parents who pay attention to whats going on with their kids) YES. Do they need better teachers? maybe....more than that they need better administrators who set up the curriculum to work the best with all the kids. It also needs to be remembered that for all the kids who DONT have ADD, but have ritalin/aderal/etc, there are also kids who DO need it, but their parents are too much of dumbshits to do anything about it because they are convinced their kids just need more beatings.

[impala454]

well i go to a public place, say a restaurant, and see a young family. say they have a 5 year old boy. I will see crap like the kid standing on the seat and squirmin around and yelling and actin like a lil punk and disturbing people sittin next to him, while the parents just sit there and carry on a conversation, completely ignoring the kid. imho it's stuff like this that causes kids to end up this way.

if i'd have been doin that kinda crap when i was 5, my parents woulda turned and told me to shut up and sit still. and if i didn't do it they'd get that parent look and warn that they'd spank me when we got home if i didn't quit acting up, and that was usually enough. and they did spank me if i was bad enough. but nowadays if you spank a kid you can have all hell break loose and end up with child abuse charges (another grand piece of the further pussification of america).

[RitalinJunkie]

i agree with you on that, on the pussification of America and all. But that is just an example of shitty parenting. It has nothing to do with ADD other than that. Sure you cant spank a kid in public, but you can sure as hell straighten em out at the car. A lot of times what worked best for my nephew, take the power chords from their ps, and the cable off the tv. He would act up like crazy even if you beat his ass, because his parents (my brother and his wife....both shitty parents) overused it. But you take away a kids playstation and he listens real quick.....really the big problem is that too many parents put up with stupid shit when the kid is young and doesnt know better.

Also....young children should not be allowed in most public places.....but thats just me.

[impala454]

well what i meant in regards to the ADD is that, whether or not there's a chemical imbalance, the way kids are gettin raised nowadays, they're taught that ignoring authority is ok. and the amount of discipline (one of those great lil things you tend to need to have to do well in school) is plummeting like a rock.

[Testm0nkey]

how many of you have experience working with young children or have children of your own?

[cupcake]

Also....young children should not be allowed in most public places.....but thats just me.

wow...

if a kid is out somewhere and he's acting up...chances are there is a need that is not being met. be that drink, food, diaper, runny nose, toy to fiddle with, needs a nap, is hot, etc.

my son doesn't do shit except charm people in public...why? because I don't take him out without a nap, take snacks and juice, take yodas and shit to play with, pay attention to him and bullshit with him, keep him in the conversation even though that crumb eater doesn't know wtf I am saying, and whatnot...etc.

what I've noticed about parents in my short time being one, is that most of them discount the amount of autonomy and preference that a child has. they give the kid no credit. I mean shit, they're humans and have tastes and thoughts too. they think he's just being fussy when there's usually a reason for it...one just needs to be attuned to notice it.

people are for the most part, fucking dumbass unobservant douchebags. and these people become parents.

[theIncredibleEdi...]

wow...

if a kid is out somewhere and he's acting up...chances are there is a need that is not being met. be that drink, food, diaper, runny nose, toy to fiddle with, needs a nap, is hot, etc.

my son doesn't do shit except charm people in public...why? because I don't take him out without a nap, take snacks and juice, take yodas and shit to play with, pay attention to him and bullshit with him, keep him in the conversation even though that crumb eater doesn't know wtf I am saying, and whatnot...etc.

what I've noticed about parents in my short time being one, is that most of them discount the amount of autonomy and preference that a child has. they give the kid no credit. I mean shit, they're humans and have tastes and thoughts too. they think he's just being fussy when there's usually a reason for it...one just needs to be attuned to notice it.

people are for the most part, fucking dumbass unobservant douchebags. and these people become parents.

I also think people now are just too damn lazy to parent....my sister is 27 and has 3 kids, and for YEARS she would pawn her kids off on the rest of us....she would make up some BS excuse and beg us to babysit, and end up going out and partying or stay out past when she said she would be back. She's matured a bit in that regard, but still I see a lot of times when she just doesn't want to take the TIME to pay attention to the kids...she wants to chat with friends and watch TV and shit. I think one problem is that too many people today become parents WAY too early, when they're far from ready for that responsibility. They think it's like a hobby or something.

[Testm0nkey]

i totally agree with cannonball. people have no idea how to parent and think however they were raised will be good enough. but the general idea of being a parent is to make things BETTER for your own child.

theres a lot of push for ways to make soon to be parents educated on how to be parents. but a lot of the ways people say are too infringing on their rights. i think it should be mandatory somehow
but then theres no way to do anything if the kid's just unlucky and born to assholes because its still not legal to sterilize !

[pebkac]

Here is my 2 cents.

I have seen kids with ADD and kids diagnosed with ADD. A lot of kids ive seen who are diagnosed (but really only acting their age) are really bored....they dont pay attention in class because its TOO FUCKING EASY for them (thank you dumbed down standards). The kids who HAVE ADD need help, particularly the kids with legit ADHD, because my experience with them is that they are also somewhat emotionally disturbed (a lot of times because their parents "hit them harder" as impala put it)......

do some of these kids just need better discipline? (not more beating, but overall good parents who pay attention to whats going on with their kids) YES. Do they need better teachers? maybe....more than that they need better administrators who set up the curriculum to work the best with all the kids. It also needs to be remembered that for all the kids who DONT have ADD, but have ritalin/aderal/etc, there are also kids who DO need it, but their parents are too much of dumbshits to do anything about it because they are convinced their kids just need more beatings.

Wow... I agree 100%.

It just bothers me when people call ADD a "made up" condition because I grew up with friends and known children who genuinely do have it and really benefitted from treatment. I mean, consider the following:

1) Its symptoms mimic those of normal childhood.
2) There are other conditions whose symptoms are very very similar and can easily be mistaken for ADD.
3) As far as I know, there's no real test for ADD.

So it's no wonder that it's such a mis-diagnosed illness (both in terms of being diagnosed in kids that don't have it and kids not be diagnosed with it that should)

[impala454]

so how many kids have ADD in general?

[cupcake]

as a non-doctor, I would guess very few.

I had one friend growing up back in the day who was (but they called it "hyperactive" back then, there was no ADD). and I only know one adult who is, but he is also a brilliant architect and musician. when on his meds he is a boring, no humor having fool though.

here's a news flash for all the shithead parents out there...kids have short attention spans. gasp! that's why sesame street runs in 45 second segments before moving to the next one.

I guess every kid is ADD...fuckin society...

[Testm0nkey]

ADD and ADHD is far more than not being able to sit down or talking to much in class. whoever said that it mimics some emotional disturbances was right. it is a result of brain chemistry (is what they say now) and a lot of symptoms of ADHD/ADD are not what people typically expect like:
being tired all the time, mood swings, paranoia, social anxiety, phobias, insomnia, high impulsiveness of course but often times associated with aggression. in addition to not being lazy or inconsiderate but literally not being able to remember periods of time or responsibilities

there are also two forms of the disorder, inactive type and active type. you could guess how those two are similar and different

i hate when people say things like "oh man my brother cant ever sit still hes been ADD since he was born"

[cupcake]

no doubt. I mean I get fidgity waiting for the popcorn to pop.

I'm ADD.

[impala454]

so do you take drugs and see a doctor for your disease?

[Testm0nkey]

i went to a doctor a few times but quit going. had a few prescriptions but never took them. when you have severe ADHD its hard to keep track of meds. i just worked harder to deal with the symptoms without anti psychotics because those are pretty powerful. if i keep busy, have lots of reminders, a great social support system and i workout i dont have any problems
well i shouldnt say that its still hard, i still get frustrated with my self really bad, but i dont want certain people to pop in with omggggggggggg blah blah blah

[cupcake]

so do you take drugs and see a doctor for your disease?

I was kidding. the only disease I take drugs for is beeraholism.

[RitalinJunkie]

As for the answer to who here works with small children, i have for several years now in settings from VBS to public schools. When i said kids shouldn't be allowed in public i should have added what I was thinking with that in that they shouldn't if their parents cant keep track of them.

Anyway, back to ADHD being close to emotional disorder, i really think that the kids know they are having the problem, and try as they might, cant fix it because they keep getting told to just "sit down and be quite" instead of being given tasks that actually require their concentration. There was one kid in a class I was assisting with last year that had that problem (on top of being diagnosed as having emotional problems with it) and my heart broke for that kid. You could tell his parents had probly just beat his ass a whole lot because he was almost afraid of adults....in a bad way. What the teacher had to do to control him was make a mark on the carpet with some tape in an isolated area of the room, and when he started getting out of it (you could tell just by looking at the kid...his eyes went all weird), she would tell him to take his work over to his secret place (this is kindergarten mind you) and she would be over in a minute to help him....She was the only teacher that got a response out of that kid in the whole school it seemed, and all it took was a teacher that gave a damn....not someone with a belt.

also, another fun story

My roomate 2 years ago was severely ADHD, but he found a field he liked and when it got to where he couldnt focus he would start working on a project for that particular class or whatever he had that involved that field,...after about 3 hours or so pounding away at that he would come back to the task at had and be ok for a good while. Which means he found a way to use that sort of focus, or lack thereof, to get more done....It was really weird.

[Spectatrix]

I know a family who has a severely ADD daughter. She was hyper, causing constant trouble in class, getting into fights, overall being a MEAN little shit. Not constantly, but frequently, and at seemingly random times. Her parents were good about punishing her, but it never seemed to sink in. They finally got her into therapy and got her on medication (aderall, I think) and they say it's been like a miracle transformation. She's not zombie-like, but calm, pleasant, still energetic but in a constructive way. They haven't quite gotten her dosage figured out yet, so there's still times when she degenerates back into her old hyper, cranky self, but there's no mistaking the improvement that the meds have made.

That having been said, I've also known kiddos that were diagnosed with ADD, given ritalin, and cycled between bouncing off the walls and being zombies. Really fuckin' freaky, that.

[pysex]

i'm not going to quote everything in these posts but my statement relates to what glen and impala have said..

adhd is misdiagnosed quite often

bad parenting is to blame for odd behaviors




my first point was that there are more and more stresses on young kids today because of how the world has changed...that can have a huge effect on development and the easy way out is to say the kid is adhd, stick them on mood/brain altering chemicals and go about the daily routine like nothing's wrong


we as human beings were never meant to ingest these crazy ass pharmaceutical concoctions...we come up with these weird ass pills that are supposed to make things better but usually end up making things worse...and people will have children while on these fucked up chemicals and their kids have developmental problems...AND WHAT HAPPENS? That gets treated with drugs

DRUGS ARE GOOD FOR YOu!!@!1

[Spectatrix]

Drugs CAN be good for you, but, as noted, sometimes ailments are overdiagnosed and people are on meds when they really don't need to be. This is especially the case with mental/emotional conditions.

But ADD, depression, etc. really do exist and these drugs are very helpful for the people who actually have these conditions. Sometimes people are just taking the easy way out with drugs for themselves or their children, but please don't be so quick to dismiss people as bad parents JUST because their kids are on meds.

[Testm0nkey]

when the drugs you take are the same chemicals that are flowing through your system anyway i dont see what the problem is (if taken properly) pharmacology is well beyond blood letting and cocaine

but the more severe the disorder the more severe problem in the persons body. changing that in a way that would correct the persons behavior yeah it can mess a sane person up. but thats why people who dont have severe problems shouldnt/dont take anti psychotics

[Melanie]

man, ADD, ADHD, Autism, Asperger's Syndrome are no joke. Those kids are creepy smart but I feel so bad for them because they're always needing stimulation, CONSTANTLY. I used to work at a day care that specialized in children with special needs, some cases of ADD and ADHD are so severe that these children get pushed into the special education system in public schools.

But I truly believe that there is ADD, if not come live with my family for a few days. My brother may be 17 and super smart but this kid has no memory at all (one of the downfalls to ADD).

[pysex]

Drugs CAN be good for you, but, as noted, sometimes ailments are overdiagnosed and people are on meds when they really don't need to be. This is especially the case with mental/emotional conditions.

But ADD, depression, etc. really do exist and these drugs are very helpful for the people who actually have these conditions. Sometimes people are just taking the easy way out with drugs for themselves or their children, but please don't be so quick to dismiss people as bad parents JUST because their kids are on meds.

No I agree that the meds do provide remedies for people that do have chemical imbalances. I too have seen family members with extreme ADHD and their prescriptions drastically alter their behavior (in a good way).


It just saddens me that people either abuse the drugs or are quick to put their kids on them because their kids don't act the way they want them to.

[Spectatrix]

It just saddens me that people either abuse the drugs or are quick to put their kids on them because their kids don't act the way they want them to.

I'm in 100% agreement there. 'tis sad indeed...

[Melanie]

I feel sorry for kids whose parents jack their meds.

[Testm0nkey]

idiot savants are super rare, like more than super rare. super super rare. aspergers, autism are typically associated with mental retardation.

thats another thing i hate
"oh hes autistic? whats his trick?"

ADD/ADHD kids are neither stupid or really smart. they have normal intelligences= capacity to learn. but because of the symptoms of the disorders they are more likely to do worse in school

[Melanie]

Aspergers and Autistic children are extremely smart. Most nonverbal Autistic children are good with visual arts. I remember this one kid that could look at a map for five minutes, put down the map get a clean sheet of paper and draw everything that was on the map. Verbal Autistic children do remarkably well in math and science. Aspergers children just crack me up. All the hyperactivity of ADHD and crazy smartness of Autism. I had this kid that could recite every single capital in the world. THE WORLD. And he knew every single war and conflict the United States was in, who they were in it with, what years, and the social effects and this kid was 7. His mom is in the Army.

I hate the fact that these four disorders are associated with mental retardation because they really shouldn't be. It just takes a bit more effort. It's not kids that are lazy, I think it's the teachers and education system.

[Testm0nkey]

no they are associated with mental retardation most of the time

its not a bad thing. doesnt mean they have to be shunned. you have to know whats associated with these disorders so that people are educated and they get the best treatment

[Testm0nkey]

On the other hand, the majority of autistic persons have varying degrees of mental retardation, with only 20 percent having average or above-average intelligence.

http://www.autismuk.com/index10.htm

Seventy-five to 80 percent of people with autism are mentally retarded to some extent. Fifteen to 20 percent are considered severely retarded, with IQs below 35.

http://www.autisticsociety.org/Encyclopedi...ent/eid=20.html

These findings (biological factors for autism and linkage between autism and other severe disorders], together with the degree of mental retardation commonly found in austism seem to strengthen the link between autism and brain damage.

out of my abnormal psychology textbook published 2006
Abnormal Psychology 9th ed.
G. Davison

since autism is a popular thing to learn about now theres a lot of information about it online. while that can be a good thing it can also be a really bad one. there are a lot of sites that try to look professional but totally lack actual research or documentation. most autism sites are geared towards parents looking for quick answers and happy endings. those you have to read with a healthy amount of skepticism and leave it to psychology researchers for information

[pebkac]

http://www.autismuk.com/index10.htm
http://www.autisticsociety.org/Encyclopedi...ent/eid=20.html
out of my abnormal psychology textbook published 2006
Abnormal Psychology 9th ed.
G. Davison

since autism is a popular thing to learn about now theres a lot of information about it online. while that can be a good thing it can also be a really bad one. there are a lot of sites that try to look professional but totally lack actual research or documentation. most autism sites are geared towards parents looking for quick answers and happy endings. those you have to read with a healthy amount of skepticism and leave it to psychology researchers for information

It's common for autism to be associated with retardation, but I'm not sure about the 80% stat. Usually autistic kids are smart in a few very focused areas and are unable to handle much else.

[Testm0nkey]

why do you think so?

from the dms iv diagnosis

in most cases there is an associated diagnosis of mental retardation, which can range from mild to profound

you cant really refute researchers, doctors, advocacy centers and peer reviewed textbooks because you think so

rutter et al. (1999)

Researchers in the field of autism research long ago determined that most children with autism were, in fact, mentally retarded

Interrelationship between Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule-Generic (ADOS-G), Autism Diagnostic Interview-Revised (ADI-R), and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR) Classification in Children and Adolescents with Mental Retardation.
Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, Vol 34(2), Apr 2004. pp. 129-137.

do i really need to cite anymore? overview over 55% of the sample of autistic kids had "profound" MR with 23% having moderate and then a percent with mild

dont mean to be defensive! but if i didnt care about this stuff i wouldnt be going into psychology

MR isnt about being "dumb" its about being different. corny as hell but true

[blaarg]

Aspergers children just crack me up. All the hyperactivity of ADHD and crazy smartness of Autism. I had this kid that could recite every single capital in the world. THE WORLD...and this kid was 7.

Whoa, I did that when I was 7 too (preparing long in advance for the geography bee). Weird, maybe I had Aspergers...? can you grow out of it, or is it with you for the rest of your life?

[Spectatrix]

no they are associated with mental retardation most of the time

its not a bad thing. doesnt mean they have to be shunned. you have to know whats associated with these disorders so that people are educated and they get the best treatment

You didn't make the distinction, but it's worth noting that the stats you quoted are not applicable to Asperger's syndrome. Children with Asperger's are characterized by normal (or high intelligence), but odd behaviors such as poor communication, clumsiness, etc. It is comparable to (if not equivalent to; researchers aren't really sure yet) high-functioning autism.

Whoa, I did that when I was 7 too (preparing long in advance for the geography bee). Weird, maybe I had Aspergers...? can you grow out of it, or is it with you for the rest of your life?

No, Asperger's is a life-long condition.

[Jim]

I (we, Christine and I, that is) had a friend in Albuquerque who was mildly autistic or at least definitely showed signs of being Autistic and definitely did not seem to be an idiot savant. He seemed slightly lower than normal intelligence and no real "specialty". He was just a socially awkward guy that needed some extra attention.

[Spectatrix]

I don't know that he had lower than average intelligence. He was doing fine in his classes, as far as I know. But he certainly wasn't hyper-intelligent.

[impala454]

It just saddens me that people either abuse the drugs or are quick to put their kids on them because their kids don't act the way they want them to.

exactly. and it also teaches the kid that they're not responsible for their behavior (whether they really have some chemical imbalance or not).

[Jim]

I don't know that he had lower than average intelligence. He was doing fine in his classes, as far as I know. But he certainly wasn't hyper-intelligent.

Some of the things he did while you weren't around makes me feel that it was slightly lower than normal.

[Testm0nkey]

high functioning autism can be aspergers yes i know this we had a few patients with it
most are still cognitively and developmentally delayed

aspergers is generally lifelong but if you are high functioning as an adult you can show no symptoms what so ever. also i think that guy was being sarcastic. aspergers is a lot more complex then being able to recite stuff


gah that ticks me off

[cupcake]

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[Matt]

I was diagnosed with ADD when I was a kid. I took medicine for a long time. I eventually stopped in high school. After having bad grades in college, I tried taking it again, and it did not help, it made things worse. The only thing that helped me was figuring out how I learned, and not some medicine.

[Mommy]

My brother has Asperger's syndrome. It's affected his entire way of life; however, he has had a post graduate school reading level since he was in the 2nd grade. When it comes to math, though, he has a really hard time. He is currently in the 9th grade and can barely do 4th grade math.

If it wasn't for my brother being on medicine, he would not be able to function normally at all. Autistic children are known to be bipolar, schizophrenic, manic depressive, epileptic, OCD, or some combination of those. My brother battles severe schizophrenia and epilepsy. He sees a lot of stuff that isnt there. When he was in the fourth grade, we had to pull him out of school because it was so bad that he would sit in his desk screaming and crying to get the bugs off his skin...or he would run out of the classroom, out of the building, and into the street because some "small people" were chasing him. He did EVERYTHING in sets of tens. He would scratch at his skin until he bled because he thought there was bugs on him. Medicine has done a lot for him with all that. He also takes medicine to keep him from having seizures. At one point in his life, if he missed one dose of his medicine (he took it 3 times a day), he would have a grand mal seizure.

He is also severely violent with just about everyone. Many blame this on bad parenting, but a lot of Asperger's kids are very very violent. My brother pulled a knife on me when he was 3 years old. Thats not bad parenting...thats a psychological problem. His medicine also helps calm him down and makes him a lot happier. He doesnt take any ADD medicines like ritalin or aterol.

It's still hard because he is now 14 and deathly afraid of movie theaters, sports arenas, etc because anything loud frightens him. Girls scare him. He likes girls, but he doesnt like them to give him attention (he is REALLY cute so he gets a lot of attention....until they get to know his personality lol). When he does get attention from girls, he freaks out. He gets so upset that he goes to the bathroom at school to call my mom from his cell. If she doesnt answer, he freaks out even more. Thats when he will start pacing. If it gets completely out of control, he will run away...like as in out of the school and god knows where.

I think a lot of people speak with ignorance on this topic. I detest more than anything when people say that mental illness isnt real or that no one needs medicine to balance their moods. Yes, it is very very over diagnosed. I agree on that, but some could not function without it. If it werent for the medicines my brother is on, he would be locked in a mental institution...no joke. We almost have had to put him in one before when he was unmedicated.

[Mommy]

idiot savants are super rare, like more than super rare. super super rare. aspergers, autism are typically associated with mental retardation.

thats another thing i hate
"oh hes autistic? whats his trick?"

ADD/ADHD kids are neither stupid or really smart. they have normal intelligences= capacity to learn. but because of the symptoms of the disorders they are more likely to do worse in school

very very wrong. almost every kid with Aspergers has some sort of accelerated mental aspect. This coming from someone who has been to many many asperger group meetings, has studied the disease, and been around numerous kids who have it.

What I hate more than anything is when people think autistic kids are retards. A certain unmentionable person in my past would call my brother retarded to get under my skin. NOTHING irritated me more...NOTHING. I would die a horrible painful death for my brother. He is my inspiration and the love of my life. My brother is smarter than most college students I have met. He talks more educated than ANYONE that i know.

The following are a number of signs and symptoms that might be present in a child with AS:

* inappropriate or minimal social interactions
* conversations almost always revolving around self rather than others
* "scripted," "robotic," or repetitive speech
* lack of "common sense"
* problems with reading, math, or writing skills
* obsession with complex topics such as patterns or music
* average to above-average verbal cognitive abilities
* average to below-average nonverbal cognitive abilities
* awkward movements
* odd behaviors or mannerisms




I cant tell if you are saying that the general public associates autistic/asperger kids with retards OR if you are saying the medical profession lumps them in with the mentally retarded. If you are saying the general public associates them with the mentally retarded, then yes, unfortunately that is very true. I find your "idiot savant" comment very inappropriate and unintelligible.


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[Oasis]

A certain unmentionable person in my past would call my brother retarded to get under my skin. NOTHING irritated me more...NOTHING.

Who would that be?

Go look up the definition of "retard" (verb) in the dictionary and get back to me. It's not necessarily an insult to call him retarded. His mental growth is obviously stunted in some aspect. It's a lot better than calling him a fucking nutjob, which I could very well do. Most sane people I know don't pull knives on their sisters. The ones who do are usually locked up in prison, and for good reason.

[Mommy]

Who would that be?

Go look up the definition of "retard" (verb) in the dictionary and get back to me. It's not necessarily an insult to call him retarded. His mental growth is obviously stunted in some aspect. It's a lot better than calling him a fucking nutjob, which I could very well do. Most sane people I know don't pull knives on their sisters. The ones who do are usually locked up in prison, and for good reason.

If we went by your definition of "retard" then you would fit the bill better than he does. "Sane people" dont carve words into their arm when they are drunk and depressed, leaving a bloody mess on their gf's bedding.

[Testm0nkey]

sorry but as for the medical profession says yes most do have a form of mental retardation.
and no im not calling them "retards".
my comments werent inappropriate i gave some citation to them and i find you offensive so relax
am i calling your brother retarded? no you are making up things. some the sounds of it he sounds like he has very high functioning aspergers (what you have said as well) and i was talking about autism.
you should actually READ the posts first before you pretend to be mad and call people out

[pysex]

[Mommy]

sorry but as for the medical profession says yes most do have a form of mental retardation.
and no im not calling them "retards".
my comments werent inappropriate i gave some citation to them and i find you offensive so relax
am i calling your brother retarded? no you are making up things. some the sounds of it he sounds like he has very high functioning aspergers (what you have said as well) and i was talking about autism.
you should actually READ the posts first before you pretend to be mad and call people out

autistic people are not mentally retarded. I dont know what your stunning educators at Texas Tech teach you, but they arent. I dont see where you cited your unintelligible use of the word retard, but all sites I see say otherwise.

[Oasis]

If we went by your definition of "retard" then you would fit the bill better than he does. "Sane people" dont carve words into their arm when they are drunk and depressed, leaving a bloody mess on their gf's bedding.

Another dumbfuck thing I did when I was drunk. It's so easy to get over something when you convince yourself that you hate it.

[Psykopath]

Ok. That's it.


STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR PAST RELATIONSHIP BULLSHIT!

I'm so fucking sick of clicking on every damn thread and having either Will or Jessica try to take a slight jab at the other during some totally unrelated topic just to stir shit.

Just STOP. Nobody on this site cares anymore. We're done laughing at how pathetic the e-breakup was, so move on!

FUCK

[Oasis]

Ok. That's it.
STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR PAST RELATIONSHIP BULLSHIT!

I'm so fucking sick of clicking on every damn thread and having either Will or Jessica try to take a slight jab at the other during some totally unrelated topic just to stir shit.

Just STOP. Nobody on this site cares anymore. We're done laughing at how pathetic the e-breakup was, so move on!

FUCK

I know, it's soooo two weeks ago.

[impala454]

Ok. That's it.
STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR PAST RELATIONSHIP BULLSHIT!

I'm so fucking sick of clicking on every damn thread and having either Will or Jessica try to take a slight jab at the other during some totally unrelated topic just to stir shit.

Just STOP. Nobody on this site cares anymore. We're done laughing at how pathetic the e-breakup was, so move on!

FUCK

haha

etantrum

[Mommy]

haha woopsy

[FORSAKENR320]

i almost shit out my heart!

[Testm0nkey]

i just figured out my topic for my research paper

[Divergent Realit...]

i just figured out my topic for my research paper

milkshakes?