Cops vs. Skaters Options

[cmac]

This is insane...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6AYVn2yw4

[False Dude]

fucking police officers on a power trip. ridiculous

[cupcake]

been on the receiving end of that shit since the late 80's.

and people wonder why I hate cops.

trespassing (skateboarding anywhere other than a skatepark) and cops will always feud. nature of the beast.

[THECHICKEN]

Running from and harrassing a cop arresting someone... and expecting different results?

Are skateboarding laws stupid... debateable. But if the cop was legally stopping someone for violating the law, the rest seemed fine to me (considering how the kids acted).

[False Dude]

I fail to see what the girl or guy did to warrant getting choked.

[moebary]

The guy in the white t-shirt? You get up in a cops face like that when they're trying to make an arrest (warranted or not), you're asking to get arrested yourself.

[Seeker]

As usual THECHICKEN sides with the authority figure even when they're being dicks. Why don't you just get down on your knees and suck that bike cop dry.

[James]

Don't know what to think about it. Brats should've been more respectful and stopped running their mouths. Cop might have used excessive force, but you can't really tell. That opening pic, could've had his hand on their chest with most of the force in the palm rather than the fingers. The double headlock was something he perceived as necessary force to restrain the kids. It could've turned out much worse if one of them had a gun or knife. He turned his back on them way too often, in my opinion. And then the running across the intersection! Should be suspended for not being aware of his ignorance.

Overall, there's too much video editing in this for me to believe it is entirely representative of the situation.

[FORSAKENR320]

The guy in the white t-shirt? You get up in a cops face like that when they're trying to make an arrest (warranted or not), you're asking to get arrested yourself.

interfering with a public servant $1,500 bond
evading arrest $1,000 bond
resisting arrest $1,500 bond
assault on a public servant $10,000 bond


thats just what i saw that one guy do. no telling what else the officers legitimately got those kids for.

[James]

Where'd you see the assault? I missed it, I think.

[FORSAKENR320]

Where'd you see the assault? I missed it, I think.

right before the dual headlock. the kid runs in and tries to help pull his friend free. in doing so, he shoulder shoves the officer.

[THECHICKEN]

As usual THECHICKEN sides with the authority figure even when they're being dicks. Why don't you just get down on your knees and suck that bike cop dry.

Who says i side with authority figures? Punk kids vs. idiot cop- cop has right of way. They're both morons, but the cop didn't do anything wrong per se because of the idiotic actions of the kids.

Brandon listed all the shit they done. Just because you don't like the law the idiot cop is enforcing doesn't mean you need to suck child cock... i mean, unless you just like too

[chook]

good cops and bad cops. Seeing what happend, i think he overreacted, but don't know all the details. I've meet both types of cops, and I think the guy is power tripping, but than again the kids may of been doing stupid shit.

[Testm0nkey]

the city bike cop was on a power trip. does skateboarding warrant being arrested for it? no. could he have yelled and ran them off like most any other security officer would do? yes. if its at that point that the teens cursed at him it comes with the territory. if you think everyone who curses at a cop is arrested youre retarded.
anyone know whats happened so far? penalties against the police officer?

[James]

Hot Springs PD was investigating it as of yesterday afternoon.

[FORSAKENR320]

the city bike cop was on a power trip. does skateboarding warrant being arrested for it? no. could he have yelled and ran them off like most any other security officer would do? yes. if its at that point that the teens cursed at him it comes with the territory. if you think everyone who curses at a cop is arrested youre retarded.
anyone know whats happened so far? penalties against the police officer?

i see exactly who the police arrest. i can also vouch that it IS the minorities that cause all the crime... at least in lubbock anyway. young white guys and black females are usually the ones who get arrested for "disorderly conduct directed at a public servant" meaning their bitch asses didn't cooperate, and just argued the entire time and provoked the situation. any activity that provokes the situation is reason for an officer to take action against you. i've maced an old black lady just because she was stirring up a mob at Static

[cmac]

wow. just wow.
police officers need to realize that there are other ways to resolve a situation other than violence, mace, tazers, guns drawn, etc.
speaking to a person like they're a human being with rights doesn't seem too far fetched.

this situation didn't even seem like it was something that needed resolving in the first place.

by the way the uncut versions can be found by clicking the guys username. there are 2 more. nothing any different though.

[Testm0nkey]

uh brandon i dont get why you included your story. that just makes you look like a bad person/civil servant
cops are supposed to be good at their jobs. they have to do this so they dont have to run around killing/maiming everyone they come into contact with. there comes a point pretty fast in that video when the cop is the one stirring trouble and the kids react to it. of course they do they are children. cop shouldnt have done it

[Psykopath]

i see exactly who the police arrest. i can also vouch that it IS the minorities that cause all the crime... at least in lubbock anyway. young white guys and black females are usually the ones who get arrested for "disorderly conduct directed at a public servant" meaning their bitch asses didn't cooperate, and just argued the entire time and provoked the situation. any activity that provokes the situation is reason for an officer to take action against you. i've maced an old black lady just because she was stirring up a mob at Static

You have the hard numbers to back that up, David Duke?


I've seen my fair share of all "races" stir up criminal shit.

This post has been edited by Psykopath: Jun 27 2007, 01:05 PM

[FORSAKENR320]

uh brandon i dont get why you included your story. that just makes you look like a bad person/civil servant
cops are supposed to be good at their jobs. they have to do this so they dont have to run around killing/maiming everyone they come into contact with. there comes a point pretty fast in that video when the cop is the one stirring trouble and the kids react to it. of course they do they are children. cop shouldnt have done it

my story was just randomly tossed out there. but the point of it was that you don't necessarily have to be doing anything wrong to get arrested. provoking a situtation to the point the police officer can't handle it IS reason enough to be arrested. i'm quite sure that the cop works a specific route. probably has ALOT of back history with those little asshats, and i'm VERY sure that they have taken it into their heads it's "cool" to mess with authority. i'm sure they have been told they are not allowed to skate in that area COUNTLESS times. those kids were clearly uncooperative. they tried to run. they were making a large scene. it's a potential riot risk (not that i truelly think one would have occured, but they already had the cop appearing to be the bad guy at the end, and other people were starting to interfere.)

working security at mall lots and stuff like that, i've had to deal with alot of asshat skaters. and every one of them thought they were showing off by being belligerant to people with badges. my general policy was to confiscate skateboards. some i would break in front of them, some i kept. (i never claimed to be clean) but when words and warnings fail, maybe losing a skateboaurd and having to buy one every week will be incentive enough to stay the fuck away from where you aren't supposed to be. and it actually worked.

[Oasis]

As a skater, it bothers me when we get a bad name because of moronic kids who pay no attention to laws. Was the cop excessive? Sure. But the kids were more than likely knowingly breaking the law. There are tons of "No Skateboarding" signs posted where skating isn't allowed.

I've skated one pool recently with the permission of my friend's parents. They were getting it retiled so it didn't matter if I fucked anything up. I would never sneak into an empty pool and skate it. Also, I don't skate where there are a lot of people and there are signs posted. Plenty of other places to skate legally. Kids skating downtown where there are a bunch of stip shops and people walking around is quite reckless

[cmac]

it was citywide skateboarding day

[blaarg]

the story made drudge...
I didn't think this was THAT big of a deal.

[Testm0nkey]

its not that big of a deal considering this type of stuff goes on everyday. plenty of police officers will be excessive, plenty abuse their rights against women and minorities. that is nearly just fact in some places. (though not saying all police officers everywhere or that it cant be changing)

the cop should have run them off so when they ran off they would be leaving. goal accomplished without choking two young kids

[False Dude]

It was actually national Go Skate day. The correct solution to the problem would've been for the kids to truck slap the officer into a coma.

[GOB]

the cop should have run them off so when they ran off they would be leaving. goal accomplished without choking two young kids

yeah because that keeps people from doing shit. how about we all follow the honor system!





cops and people in the military put up with as much shit as everybody else. they're normal people, and some people have short fuses. those kids deserved it. bet they'll think twice next time.

[False Dude]

cops have to pick their battles. he was making the situation worse and they would have just left if he had told them to some did. its when he started grabbing people that they were like wtf. if you skate everyday or even somewhat often you know what to expect and you expect to get ran off by policemen.

that cop was feeding the situation. he could have let them run off laughing whatever they were leaving. better than him making the situation so crazy he has to shoot a 15yr old girl

- testm0

[FORSAKENR320]

the cop should have run them off so when they ran off they would be leaving. goal accomplished without choking two young kids

they come back. run them off, they think it's funny and a rush. they come back again. and again. and again.

[FORSAKENR320]

that cop was feeding the situation. he could have let them run off laughing whatever they were leaving. better than him making the situation so crazy he has to shoot a 15yr old girl

- testm0

first off, cops have to enforce the laws no matter the odds. they may retreat while in danger, but there is no compromise to upholding the law. that's part of their code of ethic. they can't just "pick their battles"

2nd, i'm sure this is the 2nd or 3rd time he's chased off those kids that day. why the fuck else do you think one of the kids was convieniantly taping it? they knew it was going to happen, because they had done it before. yes cathryn... run them off so they think it's a game and come back, just to get more bold and push it further and further.




and on another post you made earlier about the excessive violence on minorities. fuck them. those people need to be beaten more. the more dumb shit i see these people doing while working, the more i actually think white people should truelly be the master race.

[pysex]

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and on another post you made earlier about the excessive violence on minorities. fuck them. those people need to be beaten more. the more dumb shit i see these people doing while working, the more i actually think white people should truelly be the master race.

[GOB]

lollin in here

[False Dude]

first off, cops have to enforce the laws no matter the odds. they may retreat while in danger, but there is no compromise to upholding the law. that's part of their code of ethic. they can't just "pick their battles"

2nd, i'm sure this is the 2nd or 3rd time he's chased off those kids that day. why the fuck else do you think one of the kids was convieniantly taping it? they knew it was going to happen, because they had done it before. yes cathryn... run them off so they think it's a game and come back, just to get more bold and push it further and further.
and on another post you made earlier about the excessive violence on minorities. fuck them. those people need to be beaten more. the more dumb shit i see these people doing while working, the more i actually think white people should truelly be the master race.

They're teenagers and skateboarders, they video tape themselves all of the time. Of course they constantly come back because what the fuck are they doing wrong? Its no different than kids getting together in a public lot and knocking the fuck out of each other.

[False Dude]

cops constantly pick their battles. do they constantly arrest people for jaywalking? domestic "abuse" calls, loud disturbances? cops are used to talk and calm down situations just as much as carting people off to prison
im scared for the public brandon being a pseudo law enforcement officer
brandon - you wouldnt have a qualm with this if it ended up with one of the kids dead? because they were skateboarding? youd be one of the few
if you run through all your levels of enforcement so quickly that you are using force - 1. you are aggrivating a situation that is barely a "crime" more of an ordinance 2. what options left do you have? you are just making things escalate

-testm0

[James]

They're teenagers and skateboarders, they video tape themselves all of the time. Of course they constantly come back because what the fuck are they doing wrong? Its no different than kids getting together in a public lot and knocking the fuck out of each other.

Err...that's not exactly legal either

[FORSAKENR320]

cops constantly pick their battles. do they constantly arrest people for jaywalking? domestic "abuse" calls, loud disturbances? cops are used to talk and calm down situations just as much as carting people off to prison
im scared for the public brandon being a pseudo law enforcement officer
brandon - you wouldnt have a qualm with this if it ended up with one of the kids dead? because they were skateboarding? youd be one of the few
if you run through all your levels of enforcement so quickly that you are using force - 1. you are aggrivating a situation that is barely a "crime" more of an ordinance 2. what options left do you have? you are just making things escalate

-testm0

actually, i usually handle about 50-120 arrests each day that involve jaywalking, littering, or telephone harrassment. it happens quite a bit.

you wouldnt have a qualm with this if it ended up with one of the kids dead? because they were skateboarding?

this is an unfair comparison. it's alot like me saying "so we should just let these kids run wild and rape people"

you are aggrivating a situation that is barely a "crime"

a crime is still a crime, sugartits.

leniancy only leads to the law being pushed back further and further. eventually a law is useless because the behavior it protected against is so acceptable. here's something to chew on (off topic) did you know that beating and abusing a dog is a $5,000 bond? but beating your wife is only $1,500? beating your wife is a MUCH more common charge also.... heh

you can always give more liberty, but you can rarely take it back without force. there cannot be compromise.

[Testm0nkey]

please dont call me sugartits thats pretty gross.

my sister got 1 ticket for jaywalking the ninethousand millions times shes been scolded for it by a cop.
maybe its because you live in lubbock and these kids were in arkansas

Err...that's not exactly legal either

he meant to add football


plenty of police officers let people off, scare people off, tell people to disperse. you dont have to arrest everyone you come into contact with and thats not even doing your job as a police officer.

brandon you dont technically arrest anyone. you are picking up people for warrants and court correct? then you arent arresting them for jaywalking and dont know the circumstances around their prior arrests

do you know how many videos of kids skateboarding there is? do you know how many have contact with a cop? very few of them end in arrests especially choking out a kid. they are teens of course they are going to be inconsiderate. cops cant handle the situation like that every time otherwise they are going to be constantly choking kids

if it was a real cop ie not one in bike shorts and a polo who had to wait for a patrol car to come, the situation would have been totally different. they would have been told to just leave at most threaten arrest. that bike cop/security officer did all that crazy shit for something the kids would have been/will be automatically released for. if you arent aware skating on a public street is not a felony nor do you get 9years in prison for. thats why most cops who actually have stuff to do dont bother with it because all it ends up being is paperwork'

search the kids name and the ark springs paper - the cop was put on administrative leave

there was another cop there who didnt do anything. obviously that cop thought that one cop was a crazy. obviously it wasnt a big deal. brandon your solution to everything is to destroy it. hugely dangerous for a police officer
what would ahve happened if after that girl was in a choke by the cop she pushed him? step up from that what hed pull his gun?

its obvious this thing was very wrong from the start

if i was that girl i would have been scared and fought to. you already saw this cop choke your young friend and hes on a power trip. i wouldnt want to end up like rodney king

[FORSAKENR320]

please dont call me sugartits thats pretty gross.

my sister got 1 ticket for jaywalking the ninethousand millions times shes been scolded for it by a cop.
maybe its because you live in lubbock and these kids were in arkansas
he meant to add football
plenty of police officers let people off, scare people off, tell people to disperse. you dont have to arrest everyone you come into contact with and thats not even doing your job as a police officer.

brandon you dont technically arrest anyone. you are picking up people for warrants and court correct? then you arent arresting them for jaywalking and dont know the circumstances around their prior arrests

do you know how many videos of kids skateboarding there is? do you know how many have contact with a cop? very few of them end in arrests especially choking out a kid. they are teens of course they are going to be inconsiderate. cops cant handle the situation like that every time otherwise they are going to be constantly choking kids

if it was a real cop ie not one in bike shorts and a polo who had to wait for a patrol car to come, the situation would have been totally different. they would have been told to just leave at most threaten arrest. that bike cop/security officer did all that crazy shit for something the kids would have been/will be automatically released for. if you arent aware skating on a public street is not a felony nor do you get 9years in prison for. thats why most cops who actually have stuff to do dont bother with it because all it ends up being is paperwork'

search the kids name and the ark springs paper - the cop was put on administrative leave

there was another cop there who didnt do anything. obviously that cop thought that one cop was a crazy. obviously it wasnt a big deal. brandon your solution to everything is to destroy it. hugely dangerous for a police officer
what would ahve happened if after that girl was in a choke by the cop she pushed him? step up from that what hed pull his gun?

its obvious this thing was very wrong from the start

if i was that girl i would have been scared and fought to. you already saw this cop choke your young friend and hes on a power trip. i wouldnt want to end up like rodney king

plenty of police officers let people off, scare people off, tell people to disperse. you dont have to arrest everyone you come into contact with and thats not even doing your job as a police officer.

thats why most cops who actually have stuff to do dont bother with it because all it ends up being is paperwork'

you answered yourself. cops don't want to do the paperwork. that doesn't mean it violates the law any less.

brandon you dont technically arrest anyone. you are picking up people for warrants and court correct? then you arent arresting them for jaywalking and dont know the circumstances around their prior arrests

actually, i have access to the complete police records, including all Statements of the situations from all people involved. anybody that we attempt to put on bond, i review their entire history to determine if i trust this person to be out of jail and pay us, and not run. quit assuming you know things.

very few of them end in arrests especially choking out a kid.

thats too bad...

cops cant handle the situation like that every time otherwise they are going to be constantly choking kids

seems like the problem would solve it's self...

if it was a real cop ie not one in bike shorts and a polo who had to wait for a patrol car to come, the situation would have been totally different.

bike cops take much more extensive training and are paid more than squad cops. they often outrank squad cops. again, remember that you are a mere woman, and quit assuming you know things

brandon your solution to everything is to destroy it.

WHY MUST I ALWAYS DESTROY THE THINGS I LOVE!!!!

if i was that girl i would have been scared and fought to. you already saw this cop choke your young friend and hes on a power trip. i wouldnt want to end up like rodney king

if the dumb cunts hadn't resisted in the first place, the whole thing never would have happened.

[Psykopath]

and on another post you made earlier about the excessive violence on minorities. fuck them. those people need to be beaten more. the more dumb shit i see these people doing while working, the more i actually think white people should truelly be the master race.

... I just don't know if you're joking anymore when it comes to the racism stuff. I hope you are, but I just really don't know anymore.





Anyways, on topic: The kids were dicks, but the cop seemed to respond more out of anger/frustration than out of any sense of duty or respect for that ordinance. The force was excessive.

[impala454]

kids got no respect for authorit-eye

[chook]

you guys should go be productive instead of this bs. Yes the cop overreacted. Yes the kids were being stupid. Its like Lubbock, its a loosing situation for everyone!

[Testm0nkey]

brandon your belief in that every police officer should end up choking everyone they come into contact with destroys any good point you thought you may have had.

[FORSAKENR320]

brandon your belief in that every police officer should end up choking everyone they come into contact with destroys any good point you thought you may have had.

kids should be choked, wives should be beaten, and queers should be stomped

::hock!:: ::spit::

[TetraGrammaton C...]

we need cops to choke this board.

[GOB]

we need cops to choke this board.

i think this is something we can all agree on

[False Dude]

GOGOPLATA

[GOB]

sugartits lol

[TetraGrammaton C...]

sweet teats

[cupcake]

that's kinda hot...

in a hairy, inverted nipple way.

[James]

Cop is cleared. He didn't use anything more than "control techniques and handcuffing."

Cop Cleared of Wrongdoing in Skateboarder Choking Incident
Tuesday, July 03, 2007

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HOT SPRINGS, Ark. — A police officer who appeared to choke a skateboarder in a video posted online has been cleared of any wrongdoing by an internal review board.

The Hot Springs Police Department Internal Affairs Board found the use of force was within the police department's policy on non-deadly force and recommended "no changes to this policy." The decision was released Monday.

Officer Joey Williams stopped a group of skateboarders June 21 on a downtown city sidewalk. Skateboarding is banned in the area.

The video shows Williams apparently choking one of the skateboarders after forcing him to the ground, then later chasing and wrestling two others while holding them in a headlock.

"This was a minimal force issue," Police Chief Bobby Southard told The Sentinel-Record. "He didn't resort to anything above hand control techniques and handcuffing."

Southard said Williams, who had been put on administrative leave, will return to bike patrol downtown Thursday. Six skateboarders — two adults and four juveniles — have court dates pending.

[GOB]

hooray police!