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 May 24 2007, 06:27 PM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65  |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18845838/
Ok, not so much the majority of Democrats because they didn't vote for the bills, but the Democratic leadership needs to be shot for backing down on this. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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May 24 2007, 06:34 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Pisses me off, but I'm more interested in seeing the Senate vote on this bill.
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May 24 2007, 06:39 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
They still get another shot at it in September and will be able to have more ammo if the current plan fails to produce results. I don't see any reason for you to panic and call it a loss. Call it a tactical retreat.
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May 24 2007, 07:23 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Passed in the Senate too. I wanna know where the votes fell.
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May 24 2007, 07:27 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
Senate voted 80-14 in approval.
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May 24 2007, 07:32 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
I know, but I wanna know *who* voted which way. Same in the House, actually. I'm curious about a few people there. Specifically, I want to know about the presidential candidates.
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May 24 2007, 07:34 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
Assuming they even voted...
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May 24 2007, 07:36 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
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May 24 2007, 07:41 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Found the House votes. As I figured, Ron Paul was one of the two Republicans who voted against the measure: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congres...se/1/votes/425/
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May 24 2007, 07:42 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
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May 24 2007, 07:47 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Presidential candidate votes on this
Yay Joe Biden Duncan Hunter John McCain Tom Tancredo Nay Hillary Clinton Christopher Dodd Dennis Kucinich Barack Obama Ron Paul Abstained Sam Brownback -------------------- |
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May 24 2007, 07:51 PM
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Fool Group: Members Posts: 2,127 Joined: 23-February 06 From: LBB Member No.: 56 |
I wonder how many of those no votes would be yes votes if they had the feeling the voting would've been closer. Maybe it wouldn't have changed anything, but I like to think they would've put aside politics of the war to provide financial support for the troops.
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May 24 2007, 07:54 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
I wonder that too.
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May 24 2007, 09:38 PM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
it's called reality people. you don't put time tables on war. you sure as hell don't pull funding from your troops during a war.
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May 24 2007, 09:38 PM
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 Eric The Sexy Group: Moderators Posts: 831 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 30 |
as part of this bill, min. wage goes up too
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May 25 2007, 02:32 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ May 24 2007, 10:38 PM) it's called reality people. you don't put time tables on war. you sure as hell don't pull funding from your troops during a war. There is such thing as losing a war. Since the invasion, the situation in Iraq has gotten progressively worse and worse. If the situation doesn't get any better within the next year or two, I would hasten to guess that it will never get better. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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May 25 2007, 03:01 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (pebkac @ May 25 2007, 03:32 PM) There is such thing as losing a war. Since the invasion, the situation in Iraq has gotten progressively worse and worse. If the situation doesn't get any better within the next year or two, I would hasten to guess that it will never get better. oh I agree. but if you tell your enemies you will withdraw on X date, they'll simply ride you out until then if they can. |
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May 25 2007, 03:35 PM
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 Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ May 25 2007, 04:01 PM) oh I agree. but if you tell your enemies you will withdraw on X date, they'll simply ride you out until then if they can. So...you agree that if things don't improve within the next 12-24months then it will not get better? -------------------- |
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May 25 2007, 03:40 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
The war is a lose-lose situation at this point. We stay, we lose; we leave, we lose. Might as well save our money and keep troops out of harm's way. Congress controls the money, but little else concerning the war at this point. Defunding the war is their only option for forcing us out of Iraq, and it's not like that goes into effect immediately, leaving our troops stranded or any BS like that.
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May 26 2007, 01:18 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
Nearly a day and no response to my last post in here? I'm disappointed. I know it's Memorial Day weekend and all, but geez!
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May 26 2007, 04:19 PM
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i agree with you so I didn't feel the need to add anything.
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May 26 2007, 05:46 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (griseyeux @ May 26 2007, 05:19 PM) i agree with you so I didn't feel the need to add anything. same -------------------- |
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May 26 2007, 07:44 PM
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I think the democrats are pussies, I'm just too lazy to respond
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May 29 2007, 08:13 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Psykopath @ May 25 2007, 04:35 PM) So...you agree that if things don't improve within the next 12-24months then it will not get better? yeah... that's what I meant when I said "I agree" after quoting your post  But that is 1-2 years away. I still think it's extremely stupid to try to make policy which tells your enemy when you're withdrawing. |
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May 29 2007, 08:15 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ May 25 2007, 04:40 PM) The war is a lose-lose situation at this point. We stay, we lose; we leave, we lose. Might as well save our money and keep troops out of harm's way. Congress controls the money, but little else concerning the war at this point. Defunding the war is their only option for forcing us out of Iraq, and it's not like that goes into effect immediately, leaving our troops stranded or any BS like that. go ahead and explain the "we stay, we lose" part to me. and if we leave, everyone loses. also explain to me why congress would have some reason to force us out of iraq by "defunding" the war. even your precious democrats voted to keep funding the war. which is hilarious to me, because all the anti-war activists feel all betrayed now reality is a bitch huh
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May 29 2007, 09:10 AM
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Group: Admin Posts: 6,906 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ May 29 2007, 09:15 AM) go ahead and explain the "we stay, we lose" part to me. and if we leave, everyone loses. also explain to me why congress would have some reason to force us out of iraq by "defunding" the war. even your precious democrats voted to keep funding the war. which is hilarious to me, because all the anti-war activists feel all betrayed now reality is a bitch huhIt's pretty simple, really. We can't force them to have a nice, happy, rainbows and kittens democracy like we want them to have. They have to work things out for themselves. Being there keeps our occupation in their faces and aggravates those who want us to leave, spurring more violence. Meanwhile, we're dumping money and manpower into being there, primarily for the purpose of squelching violence that is halfway provoked by us being there in the first place (the other half being fighting between sunnis and shites because they're violent little bitches like that). And "precious democrats"? You really need to get a better idea of who has what political leanings on this forum. I tend to vote about half-and-half Republican/Democrat, excepting a few independents here and there. My hands-down favorite candidate in the primaries right now is a Republican; unfortunately, he doesn't have a chance in hell of becoming their nominee. -------------------- |
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May 29 2007, 09:22 AM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Spectatrix @ May 29 2007, 10:10 AM) It's pretty simple, really. We can't force them to have a nice, happy, rainbows and kittens democracy like we want them to have. They have to work things out for themselves. Being there keeps our occupation in their faces and aggravates those who want us to leave, spurring more violence. of course we can force democracy on another country. did you ever see how happy those iraqis were when they got to vote? those that want us to leave are the ones who also want to take the country back and re-instate a saddam type dictatorship. do you think that'd be a better "loss" than staying there a while longer to try and stomp those people out and let the people get their freedom? and that's all beside the fact that al queda is one of the primary sources of violence there now. even the some of the iraqi insurgent cells are siding with us in fighting them! oh and yes I know you're not some strict democrat only person blah blah. that was more of a general statement. on a funny note: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4843475.html poor cindy stupid bitch |
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May 29 2007, 12:27 PM
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I think it is funny that every other thread seems to eventually lead to a political discussion about the War in Iraq with the same people arguing the same exact points over again...
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