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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49  |
McCain said he's running for president in '08 on David Letterman last night. He'll be making an official statement later.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headli...on/4592595.html -------------------- "Ah, y'know it's funny, these people they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good. They wake up the next day and they're on fire."
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Mar 1 2007, 10:39 AM
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McCain can go to hell. He'll NEVER get my vote...and it's NOT because he is a Republican...
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Mar 1 2007, 02:02 PM
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care to elaborate? just curious
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Mar 1 2007, 02:45 PM
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
Well McCain was going to be a big thorn in Obama's side if he ran. This is gonna be a close race.
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Mar 1 2007, 08:07 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Mar 1 2007, 02:02 PM)  care to elaborate? just curious He's the biggest opponent to mixed martial arts. Hell, he's against anything in the fighting realm except for boxing. He relates the UFC, PrideFC, etc. to "human cock-fighting." There has been 1 death in MMA history, an unsanctioned fight in the sports infancy in Russia(I believe that's where it was). Boxing has had so many deaths...and yes, I understand the official sports have a wide gap in terms of years of existence. But let's see a big difference that makes MMA safer than boxing: In boxing, you can be flash knocked out, suffer tons of specifically targeted head-trauma, and still continue to get up and fight after an 8-9 count (possibly with a concussion or worse). In MMA, there are more options to finish the fight. Submissions are the obvious difference there. Also, if you knock down an opponent from a strike, you follow him down to continue the fight and possibly finish it quicker with a referee stoppage/aforementioned submission. I have a feeling McCain gets kickbacks/support from the boxing commissions around his neck of the country (seems to be a common point raised by many big name defenders of MMA about him). This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 1 2007, 08:07 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 1 2007, 08:48 PM
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two republicans on the front page....
mccain giuliani if giuliani actually runs, he gets my vote mccain is scary sometimes. i guess i would consider him if i actually understood what he wanted --------------------  |
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Mar 1 2007, 09:18 PM
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today, Obama actually defended McCain when Mccain misspoke about saying lives were "wasted" instead of "sacrificed" in the Iraq war.
they both seem to be pretty level-headed/moderate and cool guys. Some people are saying that America isn't ready for a black president. according to (CNN i think) a poll the other day, more whites are ready for a black president than blacks are. So, I have this little hope that McCain and Obama kindle this friendship, and actually go on the same ticket. Since the question of having a black president is being thrown around, put him as VP with McCain and that should work out fine. Another question is Obama's experience, which would help build that for a future election. It gets America used to a minority in a huge role, and would definitely help him if he decided to run for Pres later. Also, when's the last time the Pres/VP were in different parties? It would be awesome. I like them both. --------------------  |
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Mar 1 2007, 09:55 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
Giuliani would be a joke candidate. He was a horrible mayor up until 9/11, from my recollection.
And if anyone questions someone's experience, then let's look at Giuliani's: He was just a mayor. Yeah, it was New York City, but still only a mayor. -------------------- |
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Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM
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George Bush was unexperienced
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 1 2007, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM) George Bush was unexperienced ...yeah, and look how he parlayed that inexperience into such a SUCCESSFUL two terms in office! -------------------- |
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Mar 1 2007, 10:27 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
I know right
Best president we have ever had Right up there with Hoover -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 1 2007, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 1 2007, 10:27 PM) I know right Best president we have ever had Right up there with Hoover And Harding. -------------------- |
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Mar 1 2007, 10:30 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 2 2007, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 1 2007, 10:22 PM) George Bush was unexperienced which Bush? Bush Sr. was a VP before... GWB was a Governor... whereas Obama hasn't even finished his first Senate term. not that i'm against obama, just saying... -------------------- |
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Mar 2 2007, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Mar 2 2007, 01:27 AM) which Bush? Bush Sr. was a VP before... GWB was a Governor... whereas Obama hasn't even finished his first Senate term. not that i'm against obama, just saying... Its national vs state level. Besides in Texas Lt govern does more work. -------------------- Southern Rock, beer and bears!
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Mar 2 2007, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Mar 1 2007, 08:18 PM) today, Obama actually defended McCain when Mccain misspoke about saying lives were "wasted" instead of "sacrificed" in the Iraq war. they both seem to be pretty level-headed/moderate and cool guys. Some people are saying that America isn't ready for a black president. according to (CNN i think) a poll the other day, more whites are ready for a black president than blacks are. So, I have this little hope that McCain and Obama kindle this friendship, and actually go on the same ticket. Since the question of having a black president is being thrown around, put him as VP with McCain and that should work out fine. Another question is Obama's experience, which would help build that for a future election. It gets America used to a minority in a huge role, and would definitely help him if he decided to run for Pres later. Also, when's the last time the Pres/VP were in different parties? It would be awesome. I like them both. that's cause obama made the same "mistake" not too long ago so he had to defend him if not, he'd be an idiot -------------------- |
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Mar 2 2007, 08:44 AM
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yeah i know. but i still just have this hope. ah whatever. politics will be politics.
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Mar 2 2007, 08:51 AM
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mccain is a member of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) which means he's in bed with the neo-cons and the new world order
if you vote for mccain you're just throwing your vote away to more of the same bushian politics... destruction of your civil rights, destruction of the right to privacy, open borders, unenforced immigration laws, and the security/prospertiy agreement with canada and mexcio a.k.a. the north american union the only candidate that actually believes in american values and supports the constitution is Ron Paul (congressman from Texas) |
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Mar 2 2007, 10:12 AM
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
giuliani had or still has massive mob ties...
not only that but when he was mayor of new york...homeless people started to disappear in mass numbers We need to stop letting these elite families run our country. I'm tired of all of our lives being in the hands of a select group of rich mother fuckers who control all aspects of our military and economy. OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE GOD DAMMIT -------------------- "Ah, y'know it's funny, these people they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good. They wake up the next day and they're on fire."
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Mar 2 2007, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE (pysex @ Mar 2 2007, 10:12 AM) giuliani had or still has massive mob ties... not only that but when he was mayor of new york...homeless people started to disappear in mass numbers We need to stop letting these elite families run our country. I'm tired of all of our lives being in the hands of a select group of rich mother fuckers who control all aspects of our military and economy. OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE GOD DAMMIT when apathy rules something will happen. people will get tired of doing nothing and there will be a change. -------------------- 32-bit whore
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Mar 3 2007, 10:38 AM
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Apathy does rule
Elite families have always run this country That is the way of the world, your votes do not matter -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 3 2007, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 3 2007, 10:38 AM) Apathy does rule Elite families have always run this country That is the way of the world, your votes do not matter thank you for reminding me why i do not vote. -------------------- Je suis toute du merde.
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Mar 3 2007, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 3 2007, 10:38 AM) Apathy does rule Elite families have always run this country That is the way of the world, your votes do not matter This attitude helps maintain apathy's grip over this country. -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2007, 03:23 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
No,
Capitalism and comfort reinforce this mindset Note: Paradoxically, I still vote This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 3 2007, 03:24 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 3 2007, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 3 2007, 03:23 PM) No, Capitalism and comfort reinforce this mindset Note: Paradoxically, I still vote Time has proven Communism/pure-Socialism as a horribly ineffective means of governance. Capitalism and 'comfort' don't breed apathy. Capitalism allows for a more free market with the benefit of choice. Comfort allows for modern conveniences that make lives more enjoyable. BTW: We're talking voting and apathy towards governance and such. Your problem may lie in Democracy (a governmental system) for this case, not Capitalism (an economic system). This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 3 2007, 05:08 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 3 2007, 08:17 PM
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One, we are not a true democracy
Two, I know that capitalism is an economic system (seriously zach, come on) Three, when did I mention socialism ASSUMPTIONS My problem does not lie with democracy per se. The real problem is the electoral system under which our "democracy" operates. This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 3 2007, 08:18 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 3 2007, 08:41 PM
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all i got to say about obama, is when you look at him for president, make for damn sure you like his vp candidate, bc that guy will end up as president.
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Mar 3 2007, 08:48 PM
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Obama is charismatic enough to make it, I'm almost sure.
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Mar 3 2007, 09:15 PM
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heh no i mean, he'll get shot
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Mar 3 2007, 10:41 PM
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I was actually thinking the same thing. There is sure to be some crazy KKK dudes that will want to snuff him out.
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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or on the other hand, as chris rock once said, you'll never have a black vice president while there's a white president.
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Mar 4 2007, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 3 2007, 08:17 PM) One, we are not a true democracy Two, I know that capitalism is an economic system (seriously zach, come on) Three, when did I mention socialism ASSUMPTIONS My problem does not lie with democracy per se. The real problem is the electoral system under which our "democracy" operates. You've told me of your political leanings before, hence my "assumptions." But hey, political views flow like water so I guess they've changed. No shit we're not a pure Democracy. No country is a pure Democracy. What we are is a system that operates upon the principles of a "modern democracy," which shares many characteristics of a Democracy and a Republic. The electoral system is what it is, given the massive population that must be represented. -------------------- |
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Mar 4 2007, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 4 2007, 12:34 AM) The electoral system is what it is, given the massive population that must be represented. not to mention, generally stupid population |
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Mar 4 2007, 02:21 AM
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The electorial system is to help keep the retards (the population of america) insulated from having power.
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Mar 4 2007, 01:12 PM
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meanwhile if you are in small-town texas and you vote democrat you might as well have not voted at all
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Mar 4 2007, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (griseyeux @ Mar 4 2007, 01:12 PM) meanwhile if you are in small-town texas and you vote democrat you might as well have not voted at all Nope. Depending on if I vote Democrat, Republican, whatever, my vote still counts as either a voice for the majority or minority. It represents my sentiments towards those in power/who I want inpower, my opinion on issues, etc. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that many of my political views are unpopular in this region. But I'm also a firm believer in change. Gradual change as it may be, I believe many long-held views in West Texas will adapt to more modern mindsets. -------------------- |
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Mar 4 2007, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 4 2007, 01:25 PM) Nope. Depending on if I vote Democrat, Republican, whatever, my vote still counts as either a voice for the majority or minority. It represents my sentiments towards those in power/who I want inpower, my opinion on issues, etc. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that many of my political views are unpopular in this region. But I'm also a firm believer in change. Gradual change as it may be, I believe many long-held views in West Texas will adapt to more modern mindsets. we will have to agree to disagree on this one, then. -------------------- Je suis toute du merde.
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QUOTE (griseyeux @ Mar 4 2007, 01:35 PM) we will have to agree to disagree on this one, then. heh, ok. -------------------- |
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 4 2007, 12:34 AM) The electoral system is what it is, given the massive population that must be represented. Fuck our electoral system. It is the great monopoly of the two party system. What America needs is proportional representation and the end of the electoral college... And zach, Your votes for minority parties are worthless in Texas (under the current electoral system) This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 4 2007, 03:32 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 4 2007, 04:14 PM
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blah blah politics, blah....
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Mar 4 2007, 04:16 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
No vote is worthless. Such statements show a complete lack of understanding of the democratic process.
Yes, I agree that the two-party system has monopolized American politics. I'd love to see a few more strong, viable third-parties arise in the next decade. Do not forget, Spivey, that PR systems have their fair share of problems as well. The system of 'muddling through' only works so long as there is a working, stable alliance between parties of the 'majority.' A small shift either way can lead to a complete collapse in the operation of a government, thereby leading to either the drawn out and difficult process of a whole slew of new elections or simply a government that gets absolutely nothing accomplished until the next regularly scheduled elections. No system is perfect. This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 4 2007, 04:17 PM -------------------- |
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 4 2007, 04:16 PM) No vote is worthless. Such statements show a complete lack of understanding of the democratic process. Moot point, this is not a democracy. QUOTE Yes, I agree that the two-party system has monopolized American politics. I'd love to see a few more strong, viable third-parties arise in the next decade. Do not forget, Spivey, that PR systems have their fair share of problems as well. The system of 'muddling through' only works so long as there is a working, stable alliance between parties of the 'majority.' A small shift either way can lead to a complete collapse in the operation of a government, thereby leading to either the drawn out and difficult process of a whole slew of new elections or simply a government that gets absolutely nothing accomplished until the next regularly scheduled elections. Thank you Dr. Mayer... 
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (griseyeux @ Mar 4 2007, 04:14 PM) blah blah politics, blah.... wake me up when the revolution starts You must help bring about the revolution. There is not time for sleep!!! -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 4 2007, 04:16 PM) No vote is worthless. Such statements show a complete lack of understanding of the democratic process. i don't think anyone really thinks a vote is worthless, so much as a sure loss in certain areas. which is how it should be, it's how we get proper representation. obviously no system is perfect, but the people that do nothing but sit back and bag on our system of government aren't looking at the big picture. we are the most powerful country on the planet. we're one of the most sought after countries to live in. we have the most diverse population. our citizens arguably live better than any others. our GDP is the highest (by far). our country has risen to this status, in the blink of an eye compared to any country within a spitball shot of us. i find it pretty hard to believe that our system of government is so badly broken for us to have achieved what we have. |
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Mar 5 2007, 12:16 AM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
Being the most powerful does not always equate to being the best.
Don't get me wrong, I like living in America, but some things about this nation piss me off. World Imperialism is fun... Btw, the GDP of the European Union is about the same as the United States... This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 5 2007, 12:19 AM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 5 2007, 12:20 AM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 4 2007, 11:39 PM) Moot point, this is not a democracy. Thank you Dr. Mayer... Comparing me to a Ph.D in political science? Ok, works for me.  We are a democracy, in its modern definition (which incorporates points from both a republic and a democracy, as I stated before). The definition that I go by is that of Robert Dahl's "On Democracy." Read it sometime, might open your eyes a bit. -------------------- |
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Mar 5 2007, 12:24 AM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 12:16 AM) Being the most powerful does not always equate to being the best. Don't get me wrong, I like living in America, but some things about this nation piss me off. World Imperialism is fun... Btw, the GDP of the European Union is about the same as the United States... The GDP, in comparison of a union of sovereign nations versus a union of states, is indeed very close (around $13 trillion each). The REAL difference is the GDP per capita: EU = $29,300 // U.S. = $43,500 ::EDIT:: Sources- https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/ee.html https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/us.html This post has been edited by Psykopath: Mar 5 2007, 12:25 AM -------------------- |
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all of this will be moot points when you're all eaten alive by zombies
--------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 12:16 AM) Being the most powerful does not always equate to being the best. Don't get me wrong, I like living in America, but some things about this nation piss me off. right, but would things be better in another nation? if our system isn't the best (while obviously not perfect) then what system is? and how the hell can anyone compare the european union to the united states straight up? one is a collection of countries, the other is one country... |
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Mar 5 2007, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 5 2007, 12:24 AM) The GDP, in comparison of a union of sovereign nations versus a union of states, is indeed very close (around $13 trillion each). The REAL difference is the GDP per capita: EU = $29,300 // U.S. = $43,500 ::EDIT:: Sources- https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/ee.html https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/us.html I'd argue that in the EU, there's a more equitable distribution of that money though. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Mar 5 2007, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Mar 5 2007, 10:06 AM) right, but would things be better in another nation? if our system isn't the best (while obviously not perfect) then what system is? and how the hell can anyone compare the european union to the united states straight up? one is a collection of countries, the other is one country... Technically speaking the United States is a collection of States but today they are more like territories EDIT: I don't think the United States is a bad place to live, I just think it could be better with things like medical insurance for all citizens, an end to tax cuts for the rich, etc. QUOTE The definition that I go by is that of Robert Dahl's "On Democracy." Read it sometime, might open your eyes a bit. Propaganda, YOU need to open your eyes Zach, I hope you know I am fucking with you This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 5 2007, 03:36 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 5 2007, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 03:31 PM) Technically speaking the United States is a collection of States but today they are more like territories EDIT: I don't think the United States is a bad place to live, I just think it could be better with things like medical insurance for all citizens, an end to tax cuts for the rich, etc. Propaganda, YOU need to open your eyes Zach, I hope you know I am fucking with you meh, i still don't see how tax cuts to the rich is a bad thing. there are a lot of wealthy people who pay more to the government in taxes than the average american even makes every year, yet aren't able to receive many of the same benefits. upon death, their heirs are also taxed out the ass. 35% of $350k is a hell of a lot more money than 25% of $35k (and yes, i'm fully aware that this isn't how it's calculated, but it's damn near close), and the latter is eligible for more government benefits. so if anything, middle- and lower-class taxpayers should pay more taxes. just my two cents. i'll never support a social welfare system, especially after living in texas. |
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Mar 5 2007, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 03:31 PM) Technically speaking the United States is a collection of States but today they are more like territories technically speaking, the united states is a country, the european union is not. so comparing them is pointless |
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Mar 5 2007, 05:27 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 03:31 PM) Propaganda, YOU need to open your eyes Zach, I hope you know I am fucking with you NOT propoganda...it's a great book! And yes, I know you are. =P -------------------- |
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Mar 5 2007, 04:17 PM) meh, i still don't see how tax cuts to the rich is a bad thing. there are a lot of wealthy people who pay more to the government in taxes than the average american even makes every year, yet aren't able to receive many of the same benefits. upon death, their heirs are also taxed out the ass. 35% of $350k is a hell of a lot more money than 25% of $35k (and yes, i'm fully aware that this isn't how it's calculated, but it's damn near close), and the latter is eligible for more government benefits. so if anything, middle- and lower-class taxpayers should pay more taxes. just my two cents. i'll never support a social welfare system, especially after living in texas. Coming from the lower class, I hate the rich. Just my two cents. I can not and will not ever relate to them, unless of course I become rich. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Mar 5 2007, 04:19 PM) technically speaking, the united states is a country, the european union is not. so comparing them is pointless Comparing them is not pointless per se. While the European Union is a weak union it is still a union... -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 05:55 PM) Coming from the lower class, I hate the rich. Just my two cents. I can not and will not ever relate to them, unless of course I become rich.  im helping your river. when youve got enough for the boat i can steer it to the other side of the tracks for you. -------------------- 32-bit whore
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Ummm Whatever, I was not trying to throw a pity party...
If you make more you should have to contribute more This post has been edited by Dr. Gonzo: Mar 5 2007, 06:04 PM -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (Divergent Reality @ Mar 5 2007, 06:00 PM) im helping your river. when youve got enough for the boat i can steer it to the other side of the tracks for you. don't be hatin'!!!   
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When you only make 25k a year, taxes hurt a lot more.
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 06:22 PM) When you only make 25k a year, taxes hurt a lot more. what's the opposite of sympathy? because that's how i feel. not making any money? how about apply yourself and move forward. this country shouldn't be an open bar, it should be byob. HSAs and private social security accounts are the way to go. |
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Mar 5 2007, 06:36 PM
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haha, typical simplistic conservative response
Life is more complicated than simply "applying" yourself -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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Mar 5 2007, 06:42 PM
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btw, it is empathy
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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hey charlie how long have you been completely supporting yourself? by supporting yourself I mean that you pay all of your expenses with money that you yourself have earned. just out of curiosity.
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Mar 5 2007, 06:36 PM) haha, typical simplistic conservative response Life is more complicated than simply "applying" yourself wow, excuse me for not wanting to pay for some crackhead single mom's food stamps. i love getting asked for spare change every other day when i'm trying to walk from driveway to front door. ironic because i'm probably in a worse financial situation than any of them are. my parents had nothing when i was a kid, but look at that, 22 years later and they're on the way to being financially stable. wow, it's almost as if hard work and determination (and being white, am i right?) gets you somewhere in life. speaking of simplistic and typical, i think you might need to go to the hospital, as your heart is bleeding all over the place, hippie. and no, i said sympathy. it would be empathy if i actually cared enough to take the time to look at the world from their eyes. i'm "unsympathetic" because i've got better things on my mind than other people (it's true!). |
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Touchy touchy
 Calling me a hippie is compliment! thank you sir!!!  Crack heads are miserable excuses for people, but they are still human beings who need help with an addiction. Remember, I am not talking about people who do not work. I am talking about people who work very hard but just don't make very much money. Btw, You did not answer Jenna's question... Whoops, I did not think Empathy sounded right. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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well my mom was a single mom but she was not a crackhead. I do agree that alot of people abuse the welfare system, but for the 6 years that my family was on it, we did not. My mom went back to college to get a degree at 38 and put my family severely in debt as a result. By my family I mean myself, my sister and her because no one else wanted to help us. When we went to try and apply for government housing, we were denied because we did not represent the "ethnic" interests of the program. I'm not saying all this to be a bleeding heart, cry-for-me, hippie. I'm saying all this because no amount of "applying myself" has ever been enough to get my family out of debt. My sister has worked regularly since the age of 12 and I have worked since age 16 semi-regularly. I don't care how much you don't care about other people, but if you genuinely don't care about other people then don't criticize or comment on their situation because you clearly have no interest in actually understanding said situation.
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ah jenna, i did not see your other post until now. i didn't say i was totally self-reliant, but i've paid for everything that would be considered "extra" since i've been old enough to work, including at least 75% of college. full-time in high school and every semester until now. i understand what it takes to pay for college, both my parents did the same thing as your mom (though as you explained, it's clearly more difficult with just 1 parent).
QUOTE if you genuinely don't care about other people then don't criticize or comment on their situation because you clearly have no interest in actually understanding said situation. hmm, good point. i have no personal qualms with you either. i do, however, with whoever hasn't posted those videos of you crab-walking up the stairs at the party >:( |
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BAD ALEX
Charlie, I still love you 
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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yeah, it's alex's fault. i expected them to be on youtube by yesterday
. I will make certain that they get posted, though. CHARRLLLIIIIIEEEE!!! yeah, we have the video of alex, spivey, cat and kevin dogpiling you. Alex didn't even remember doing it, though. He watched you punch him on the video and was like "that would explain the bruise on my chest." -------------------- Je suis toute du merde.
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I had a smoke afterwards
-------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Mar 5 2007, 12:20 AM) The definition that I go by is that of Robert Dahl's "On Democracy." Read it sometime, might open your eyes a bit. Is it better than Tocqueville's Democracy in America? Because good god, that book was boring. -------------------- |
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
OMG WHINEY MC WHINE PANTS
The videos have been uploaded but they are still "processing". -------------------- "Ah, y'know it's funny, these people they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good. They wake up the next day and they're on fire."
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Mar 5 2007, 10:34 PM) Is it better than Tocqueville's Democracy in America? Because good god, that book was boring. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000^10 times better. -------------------- |
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Mar 5 2007, 06:52 PM) wow, excuse me for not wanting to pay for some crackhead single mom's food stamps. i love getting asked for spare change every other day when i'm trying to walk from driveway to front door. ironic because i'm probably in a worse financial situation than any of them are. my parents had nothing when i was a kid, but look at that, 22 years later and they're on the way to being financially stable. wow, it's almost as if hard work and determination (and being white, am i right?) gets you somewhere in life. speaking of simplistic and typical, i think you might need to go to the hospital, as your heart is bleeding all over the place, hippie. and no, i said sympathy. it would be empathy if i actually cared enough to take the time to look at the world from their eyes. i'm "unsympathetic" because i've got better things on my mind than other people (it's true!). This is not just in response to this post, but as a response to most of the posts you've made thus far: WOW. I am pretty sure I disagree. Though explaining why to someone who has clearly made up their mind on how the world works would be vain. I am just thankful our politicians are not equally insightful as you. --------------------  QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Mar 6 2007, 09:20 AM) I am just thankful our politicians are not equally insightful as you. and i could disagree with that. |
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my sister gets help from the government and lives in "low income housing" and shes super white. like whitey mic white white
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
lol
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
that doesnt look anything like him at all
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