 Proof of the Big Bang? |
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| Proof of the Big Bang? |
 Dec 19 2006, 05:00 PM
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 From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65  |
-------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Dec 19 2006, 05:10 PM
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 N 0 t h i n g Group: Members Posts: 1,449 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 54 |
QUOTE Scientists say that space, time and matter originated 13.7 billion years ago If the universe expands and collapses, it seems to me that the big bang happens every now and again, which means it happens more than once. If that's the case, what they found out is the most recent big bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. There's no saying if that is the first big bang or not, and if it is not, then space time and matter didn't originate 13.7 billion years ago, but much much longer ago. --------------------  QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Dec 19 2006, 10:46 PM
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 Prize? Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 343 |
QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 19 2006, 05:10 PM) If the universe expands and collapses, it seems to me that the big bang happens every now and again, which means it happens more than once. If that's the case, what they found out is the most recent big bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. There's no saying if that is the first big bang or not, and if it is not, then space time and matter didn't originate 13.7 billion years ago, but much much longer ago. Thought they finally decided that the universe won't collapse back on itself, that its actually moving apart... and speeding up. With the conclusion that we will speed up until even atoms become unstable and break up. Meaning no constant universe, the opposite actually. Anyway, thats what discovery channel (im pretty sure) stated on naked science. |
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Dec 20 2006, 12:28 AM
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 Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Trespass @ Dec 19 2006, 10:46 PM) Thought they finally decided that the universe won't collapse back on itself, that its actually moving apart... and speeding up. With the conclusion that we will speed up until even atoms become unstable and break up. Meaning no constant universe, the opposite actually. Anyway, thats what discovery channel (im pretty sure) stated on naked science. Or maybe the universe was created when two other universes collided creating the big bang and existence as we know it. Welcome to the multi verse son. Really though, we will never know if the big bang happened with physics as we know it today. Physics breaks down at the exact moment the "big bang" occured. -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Dec 20 2006, 08:09 AM
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N 0 t h i n g Group: Members Posts: 1,449 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 54 |
Gravity is inescapable. There is no point in the universe where you are not atleast a little affected by an object's gravity. I do not understand how the universe could possibly be constantly accelerating, unless there is an outward force on each object in space (which you would be hard pressed to prove). What I can see is when everything explodes, there is a period of accleration, but the universe's center of gravity slows all outward bound objects until it comes to a rest, and then falls back towards that center (and clumping up with other space objects along the way).
The reason I can see this happening is there are two types of forces acting here. One is a pulse force or conservative force, the big bang. The other is an nonconservative force, gravity. The thing about the big bang is it puts an accerlation on all objects, and then stops. Gravity puts a constant acceleration on all objects. So if you have a constant C accerlation on all objects from the big bang, and then -X acceleration from gravity (negative because it's in the opposite direction), and assuming C is initially greater than X (which it has to be), you get C - X at time 1, C - 2X at time 2, C - 3X at time 3, etc. And since these are all acclerations, at anytime C - bX, where b is that incremental time constant, is greater than 0, you would have accerlation. However, once it becomes less than 0, the universe begins to collapse back into itself. The kicker is, however, as distance becomes greater, gravity becomes exponentially weaker (so X is not a constant, but decaying as time goes on as well). But it never goes away, and because of that, the kinetic energy of the universe is being drained back into potential energy. So actually, I would just like to know how it is possible the universe is constantly accelerating. You cannot create energy from nothing. And if the universe is constantly accerlating, kinetic energy is increasing for no reason at all. -------------------- QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Dec 20 2006, 09:26 PM
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Prize? Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 343 |
QUOTE (Renegadepeon @ Dec 20 2006, 08:09 AM) Gravity is inescapable. There is no point in the universe where you are not atleast a little affected by an object's gravity. I do not understand how the universe could possibly be constantly accelerating, unless there is an outward force on each object in space (which you would be hard pressed to prove). What I can see is when everything explodes, there is a period of accleration, but the universe's center of gravity slows all outward bound objects until it comes to a rest, and then falls back towards that center (and clumping up with other space objects along the way). The reason I can see this happening is there are two types of forces acting here. One is a pulse force or conservative force, the big bang. The other is an nonconservative force, gravity. The thing about the big bang is it puts an accerlation on all objects, and then stops. Gravity puts a constant acceleration on all objects. So if you have a constant C accerlation on all objects from the big bang, and then -X acceleration from gravity (negative because it's in the opposite direction), and assuming C is initially greater than X (which it has to be), you get C - X at time 1, C - 2X at time 2, C - 3X at time 3, etc. And since these are all acclerations, at anytime C - bX, where b is that incremental time constant, is greater than 0, you would have accerlation. However, once it becomes less than 0, the universe begins to collapse back into itself. The kicker is, however, as distance becomes greater, gravity becomes exponentially weaker (so X is not a constant, but decaying as time goes on as well). But it never goes away, and because of that, the kinetic energy of the universe is being drained back into potential energy. So actually, I would just like to know how it is possible the universe is constantly accelerating. You cannot create energy from nothing. And if the universe is constantly accerlating, kinetic energy is increasing for no reason at all. Yeah, honestly i always thought the way you did, but on naked science, the guy said that through studies and stuff they have determined that outward objects are actually speeding up, not slowing down. So either they just did the wrong calculations or there is something else we haven't discovered yet for the speeding up. |
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Dec 21 2006, 01:01 AM
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 FFFFFFFUCKKKKKKKKKKKK Group: Members Posts: 1,673 Joined: 22-February 06 Member No.: 11 |
Everyone knows the Universe was created on December 25th, 0 BC
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Dec 21 2006, 03:13 AM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Seussninja @ Dec 21 2006, 01:01 AM) Everyone knows the Universe was created on December 25th, 0 BC Jesus, joseph, and mary -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Dec 21 2006, 08:51 AM
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 GORILLA FLUFFER  Group: Agents Posts: 7,711 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lubbock Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (Trespass @ Dec 20 2006, 09:26 PM) Yeah, honestly i always thought the way you did, but on naked science, the guy said that through studies and stuff they have determined that outward objects are actually speeding up, not slowing down. So either they just did the wrong calculations or there is something else we haven't discovered yet for the speeding up. i say there is something out there with greater gravity than the pull of our universe. btw, off topic, but curiousity.... since they can calculate the trajectory of where everything is going and how fast, have they been able to figure out exactly where in the universe the big bang happened? or do i have my proportions of how big this shit really was all skewed? --------------------  QUOTE (Jessica @ May 7 2007, 01:15 PM) but yeehaw dammit. YEEHAW QUOTE (Dogmeat @ Jun 26 2008, 07:51 PM) ok once upon a time I jacked myself off retarded. Licking anuses, one kindergarten class at a time!! |
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Dec 21 2006, 01:45 PM
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 Group: Agents Posts: 4,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: lu-bok Member No.: 41 |
QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Dec 20 2006, 12:28 AM) Welcome to the multi-verse-e-mon. Really though, we will never know if the big bang happened with physics as we know it today. if i were on my machine i would put a picture of the milky way on a pokachu covering its head. someone do that for me. -------------------- 32-bit whore
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Dec 21 2006, 04:10 PM
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 New son Donovan Charles Mummert born July 17, 2008 Group: Members Posts: 8,635 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Port Wentworth, GA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Seussninja @ Dec 21 2006, 01:01 AM) Everyone knows the Universe was created on December 25th, 0 BC 0 BC.... the same as 1 AD isnt it? BC- Before Christ AD- Anno Domini (sp) thats what I was always told these abreviations stood for when I was in private Baptist school. Is that what the secular world thinks they stand for also? |
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Dec 21 2006, 04:27 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 756 Joined: 22-February 06 From: san marcos, tx Member No.: 27 |
in my understanding there was a "Zero" year, but i read about that back in 2000 when people were trying to decide whether 2000 was the end of a millenia or the beginning of a new one. stupid debate really.
but my real reason for posting was infinity exists |
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Dec 21 2006, 10:56 PM
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 DEATH TO ....something? Group: Members Posts: 5,618 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Parker, CO Member No.: 55 |
infinity and zero are the same number.
i discovered this in a drug-induced haze once. -------------------- I r Ur Gawd!
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Dec 22 2006, 01:19 AM
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Do they ignore parts of reality? Group: Moderators Posts: 2,935 Joined: 23-February 06 From: South Overton!!! Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE (Jessica @ Dec 21 2006, 04:10 PM) 0 BC.... the same as 1 AD isnt it? BC- Before Christ AD- Anno Domini (sp) thats what I was always told these abreviations stood for when I was in private Baptist school. Is that what the secular world thinks they stand for also? The crazy part, is that they screwed up the calendar when they figured out the bc/ad time line. Jesus was actually born on 3 bc, or so many "experts" claim -------------------- A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?
-Philip K. Dick |
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Dec 22 2006, 01:24 AM
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I was raised on the dairy, BITCH! Group: Members Posts: 3,080 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Cedar Park Member No.: 49 |
QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Dec 21 2006, 08:51 AM) i say there is something out there with greater gravity than the pull of our universe. ABRAXAS -------------------- "Ah, y'know it's funny, these people they go to sleep, they think everything's fine, everything's good. They wake up the next day and they're on fire."
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