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post Nov 14 2006, 09:55 AM
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Is it just me or is this whole thing blown completely out of proportion? It was obviously a "look at me when I'm talking to you" type thing and yet because it's Knight they have to make a big deal out of it.


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post Nov 14 2006, 10:09 AM
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WHAAAAT!?!? bobby knight talking loud with much profanity at someone?!!?

they just focus on it because they know he is very good at it.

its like doing a news arcticle on a tank because it blew up something.

its kind of a given that it is gonna happen.


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post Nov 14 2006, 10:32 AM
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bob knight is going to be under the microscope this season because of the all-time win record. we're going to be getting a ton of publicity, so he can do whatever the hell he wants.
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Apparently when prince's parents were asked about it they said they had no problem and neither did michael. it was actually more of an encouragement than anything. knight was tryin to tell him to get his head up bc they needed him in the game.
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post Nov 14 2006, 11:45 AM
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espn is making a huge deal out of it and saying knight should be punished and all this other crap

if he punched the kid, then fine, even slap/hit in any way then fine, but "forcing" the kid to put his head up....yeah let him be


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post Nov 14 2006, 11:53 AM
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they were talking a lot about it on espn radio this morning. i heard that knight was getting nothing but support.
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post Nov 14 2006, 02:01 PM
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we faced more shit than that in high school sports. seems like a weird story


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and when is leach going to get into trouble for grabbing a player's face mask to turn the players face to look at him.


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Its being blown out of proportion because of Knight's past aggressive actions. When will Tech get some self respect and fire him? Yeah, he has wins under his belt, but Tech sacrifices dignity in the process. Its like saying "We suck so badly that we have to continue to have a coach who is verbally and physically abusive in order to win." The day that Tech gets rid of the shitty coach Leach and the overrated coach Knight might be the day that I gain some respect for Tech.
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post Nov 14 2006, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 14 2006, 06:03 PM) *
Its being blown out of proportion because of Knight's past aggressive actions. When will Tech get some self respect and fire him? Yeah, he has wins under his belt, but Tech sacrifices dignity in the process. Its like saying "We suck so badly that we have to continue to have a coach who is verbally and physically abusive in order to win." The day that Tech gets rid of the shitty coach Leach and the overrated coach Knight might be the day that I gain some respect for Tech.

Get some respect.... like getting a coach that passes more players than practically anyone else? Or how about a coach who kicks the leading scorer in the big 12 off the team for not doing his homework?

You may not like a past action of knight, but he has brought so much respectability to Tech... both educationaly and athletically. And him being "verbally" abusive is laughable at best. Coaches all across the country coach the same way (parcels, MOST highschool football coaches, etc.)

So YES he once physically touched a player in a way that crossed the line... AND he was fired for it. He hasn't done much of anything since that would lead me to believe he is "physically" abusive as a coach.
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i dont think leach or knight has brought any bad publicity to tech. i think they bring a whole lot more positives and a few little incidents here and there dont even matter at that point. but i dont think this is an incident at all. like its been said hes getting nothing but support


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post Nov 14 2006, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 14 2006, 06:03 PM) *
Its being blown out of proportion because of Knight's past aggressive actions. When will Tech get some self respect and fire him? Yeah, he has wins under his belt, but Tech sacrifices dignity in the process. Its like saying "We suck so badly that we have to continue to have a coach who is verbally and physically abusive in order to win." The day that Tech gets rid of the shitty coach Leach and the overrated coach Knight might be the day that I gain some respect for Tech.


you obviously listened to colin cowherd this morning


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QUOTE (Trespass @ Nov 14 2006, 06:33 PM) *
Get some respect.... like getting a coach that passes more players than practically anyone else? Or how about a coach who kicks the leading scorer in the big 12 off the team for not doing his homework?

You may not like a past action of knight, but he has brought so much respectability to Tech... both educationaly and athletically. And him being "verbally" abusive is laughable at best. Coaches all across the country coach the same way (parcels, MOST highschool football coaches, etc.)

So YES he once physically touched a player in a way that crossed the line... AND he was fired for it. He hasn't done much of anything since that would lead me to believe he is "physically" abusive as a coach.


1) I hate Bill Parcels and the Cowboys so that holds little weight with me. Also the "well everyone else does it" arguement doesn't hold any weight with me at all.

2) The ONLY thing I have ever liked about Knight was that he encouraged academic performance. Basically, he follows the rules and then goes a little over and beyond them... something that any coach should do in order to secure that their team won't have problems with NCAA rules and ineligibility.

3) I can think of incidents off the court and out of the arena since Knight has coached for Tech that he has been extremely inappropriate.

4) Someone find that ESPN video "Top 10 greatest Bob Knight Moments" or whatever its called where each one is @(*$&^( #$&^(#$ #$&*^(#^$ #$*&(^@($^( after #*$&^(@ #$(^(@&$ #($*( after #$Y(*&@$. Yeah, lets show some respect for the younger viewers at home that are watching and not cuss to cameras.

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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 06:58 PM) *
you obviously listened to colin cowherd this morning


heard some of it, yes; but I wasnt paying much attention.
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post Nov 14 2006, 07:10 PM
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This is basically a re-hash of an argument (instigated by, surprise, Jessica) that everyone had several months ago.

Visit and witness the ownage.

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=627
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I didnt initiate that. Just because I have an opposing viewpoint does not mean that I instigated it. Somebody felt the thread was starting to get off topic so they split it... Reason number 4 billion why I think splitting threads is stupid.

If Bob Knight was such an outstanding member of society, there wouldn't be so much controversy over him and his actions.
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post Nov 14 2006, 07:32 PM
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In my mind he did nothing wrong and has not done anything wrong while at Tech. The incident with the chancellor was blown out of proportion as well. We are human, we get in arguments. He's a coach and as such deserves the attention and respect of his players.


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I dont really see anything wrong with what he did THIS time either.
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post Nov 14 2006, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron @ Nov 14 2006, 07:10 PM) *
This is basically a re-hash of an argument (instigated by, surprise, Jessica) that everyone had several months ago.

Visit and witness the ownage.

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=627

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post Nov 14 2006, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron @ Nov 14 2006, 07:10 PM) *
This is basically a re-hash of an argument (instigated by, surprise, Jessica) that everyone had several months ago.

Visit and witness the ownage.

http://www.techsans.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=627


ownage? i'm not sure how a bunch of tech fans who will support anything involving tech arguing pro bob knight is ownage. maybe ownage in numbers

you never hear about this kind of behavior with Tom Izzo or Roy Williams. Dean Smith never got in to these kind of predicaments. why is it always Knight? maybe it's because Knight has a problem

and don't give me the excuse that he's human and everyone makes mistakes. again, someone like Jim Boeheim has never made the "mistake" of throwing a chair at a player, choking a player, grabbing a player's chin, or whatever the hell else Knight has done. Bob Knight has an anger problem, if you can't see that you're a moron. not to mention he's a hypocrite because he preaches discipline and accountability yet has none himself


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post Nov 14 2006, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 07:44 PM) *
ownage? i'm not sure how a bunch of tech fans who will support anything involving tech arguing pro bob knight is ownage. maybe ownage in numbers

you never hear about this kind of behavior with Tom Izzo or Roy Williams. Dean Smith never got in to these kind of predicaments. why is it always Knight? maybe it's because Knight has a problem

and don't give me the excuse that he's human and everyone makes mistakes. again, someone like Jim Boeheim has never made the "mistake" of throwing a chair at a player, choking a player, grabbing a player's chin, or whatever the hell else Knight has done. Bob Knight has an anger problem, if you can't see that you're a moron. not to mention he's a hypocrite because he preaches discipline and accountability yet has none himself


He has been accountable though, he said what he had done at IU was inappropriate. It's him, plain and simple. He is rough and sometimes he screws up but you know what, he wins.

I have always been a Bob Knight fan, maybe because my dad moved from Indiana, but I have always been a fan.


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post Nov 14 2006, 08:34 PM
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by the way, what exactly do graduation rates have to do with coaching ability?

if anything, it would seem the higher the graduation rate, the worse the coach is


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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 08:34 PM) *
by the way, what exactly do graduation rates have to do with coaching ability?

if anything, it would seem the higher the graduation rate, the worse the coach is

You'd think so, but national championship trophies and the all time win record about to be broken by him says otherwise.
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QUOTE (Trespass @ Nov 14 2006, 09:20 PM) *
You'd think so, but national championship trophies and the all time win record about to be broken by him says otherwise.


i have no idea what his graduation record was at Indiana. i reckon it's significantly lower than TTU

Knight has never won any national championships at TTU, and probably 90% of his career wins came elsewhere. if you're going to talk about his TTU graduation rates, don't mention accomplishments he garnered at IU and USMA. it's hypocritical


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post Nov 14 2006, 09:33 PM
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LMAO coach just bopped prince on the back of the head while ESPN was talking about last night and had the camera on him. he was jokin around though
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what happened to knight?
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 09:32 PM) *
i have no idea what his graduation record was at Indiana. i reckon it's significantly lower than TTU

Knight has never won any national championships at TTU, and probably 90% of his career wins came elsewhere. if you're going to talk about his TTU graduation rates, don't mention accomplishments he garnered at IU and USMA. it's hypocritical

ummmmmmmmmm.... he's ALWAYS had the great graduation rates to my knowledge. So i believe i was talking of HIS CAREER.

LOL Will talking about how bobby knight is not a good coach because of his past actions, and then telling me that i couldn't use the same past performance as him being a good coach... funny.
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I think the media is giving this way too much attention. Should he have done that? Probably not, just because of the history. If it were any coach other than Knight, it wouldn't get nearly the media attention. I've been to several college workouts for some big name men and women's basketball programs and I've seen much worse.

I agree with Cathryn though, this is nothing compared to high school days.
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I think I was the one who split off that thread, but I don't remember for sure.


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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 07:44 PM) *
you never hear about this kind of behavior with Tom Izzo or Roy Williams. Dean Smith never got in to these kind of predicaments. why is it always Knight? maybe it's because Knight has a problem


Maybe you don't hear about this kind of behaviour because you aren't paying attention. Roy Williams shoved a player last year, Kelvin Sampson struck one of his players in the leg a couple of years ago in Lubbock, Lou Holtz grabbed one of his players by the facemask and practically drug him to the sidelines, etc.

Am I defending what Bob Knight did while at Indiana? Grabbing a player by the throat or the unwanted physical contact with a student? No, absolutely not. But this incident has been completely blown out of proportion by ESPN; it seemed like the clip was replayed every five minutes this afternoon.
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Roy Williams grabbed a player in the NCAA tournament last year when he wasn't getting back on defense. Lou Holtz has been shown grabbing a player by his helmet. If you are gonna be mad at Knight then thats fine but make sure you hold these other acts to the same standard if you want to sound like you aren't a Bob Knight troll.

and heres a good article on the situation from Dan Wetzel, its worth reading the whole thing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=dw...o&type=lgns
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 14 2006, 09:32 PM) *
i have no idea what his graduation record was at Indiana. i reckon it's significantly lower than TTU

Knight has never won any national championships at TTU, and probably 90% of his career wins came elsewhere. if you're going to talk about his TTU graduation rates, don't mention accomplishments he garnered at IU and USMA. it's hypocritical

how is it hypocritical to mention his graduation rates along with his coaching accomplishments? he's always graduated players, everywhere he's been. this shouldn't come as news to anyone, especially someone like you who blows their load every time knight's name makes the news.

1 trophy is more than 95% of ncaa coaches will ever win, 3 is more than 99% could ever dream of. i don't see any other big-12 teams winning the championship in the last 10 or 15 years, and tech isn't exactly a basketball school. give us kansas' recruiting abilities and knight would make the sweet sixteen every year.

knight getting us to the semis two years ago and the second round three years ago is undeniably impressive, but by your logic, any coach that doesn't win the national championship with every school they work for is doing a terrible job; i guess coach k did a shitty job at west point...
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I'm not saying Texas Tech is going to win a national championship in hoops any time soon (or, for that matter, ever) but Bob Knight just signed three of the top 15 high school players in Texas in John Roberson, Mike Singletary and D'Walyn Roberts. His 2006 class was heavy on junior college players (Charles Burgess, Esmir Rizvic, Rogdrick Craig, etc.) and will be the core of this squad for the next couple of years but it's clear that the 2007 group is the future.
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If anything, Knights reputation helps tech


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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 15 2006, 02:12 AM) *
If anything, Knights reputation helps tech


even furthering my point that Tech is a shitty school
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 15 2006, 01:43 PM) *
even furthering my point that Tech is a shitty school



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QUOTE (Psykopath @ Nov 15 2006, 02:08 PM) *
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 15 2006, 01:43 PM) *
even furthering my point that Tech is a shitty school



I think Lubbock does that...


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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 15 2006, 01:43 PM) *
even furthering my point that Tech is a shitty school


Wow, that is the most nonsensical argument I've ever heard.
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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 15 2006, 03:26 PM) *
I think Lubbock does that...


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QUOTE (Jessica @ Nov 15 2006, 01:43 PM) *
even furthering my point that Tech is a shitty school

a characteristic strongly emphasized by its long list of shitty, unemployed grads
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a characteristic strongly emphasized by its long list of shitty, unemployed grads


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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Nov 15 2006, 07:38 PM) *
a characteristic strongly emphasized by its long list of shitty, unemployed grads


Hmmmmm, I don't really know any engineers that aren't employed, or anyone else who graduated with a meaningful degree and not something like psychology.
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post Nov 16 2006, 12:15 PM
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id say psych isnt that bad of a major though most people who picked this degree to actually get a job go to grad school


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post Nov 16 2006, 01:56 PM
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Tech doesnt matter at all to me. I start UT in January.

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post Nov 16 2006, 02:06 PM
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Prize?


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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 16 2006, 01:56 PM) *
Tech doesnt matter at all to me. I start UT in January.

-Jessica

Congrats

You wish the first run through at tech would have been with a different major so you wouldn't have to go to UT now?
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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 16 2006, 12:56 PM) *
Tech doesnt matter at all to me. I start UT in January.

-Jessica

1) Would you two please stay on your own fucking accounts? This cross-account posting is getting ridiculous.
2) Congrats. What are you majoring in? If I like Austin, I may end up going to UT for a PhD.


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post Nov 16 2006, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 16 2006, 02:22 PM) *
1) Would you two please stay on your own fucking accounts? This cross-account posting is getting ridiculous.
2) Congrats. What are you majoring in? If I like Austin, I may end up going to UT for a PhD.


deal with it
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or is this jessica?
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QUOTE (Trespass @ Nov 16 2006, 02:06 PM) *
Congrats

You wish the first run through at tech would have been with a different major so you wouldn't have to go to UT now?


no because it let to what i want to do. ill still have a masters when im done in 3 years.
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Nov 16 2006, 02:22 PM) *
1) Would you two please stay on your own fucking accounts? This cross-account posting is getting ridiculous.
2) Congrats. What are you majoring in? If I like Austin, I may end up going to UT for a PhD.


1) I dont mean to post from his account. I post before I realized Im logged in as him. We are sharing a computer.
2) Nursing. I hate UT's campus. Its buttfucked in traffic in the middle of downtown. You will like Austin though. Its a cool city... much different than the rest of Texas.
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post Nov 16 2006, 11:54 PM
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Do they ignore parts of reality?


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Yeah, Austin rules. It is a lot better then this dusty piece of shit...


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QUOTE (Dr. Gonzo @ Nov 16 2006, 11:54 PM) *
Yeah, Austin rules. It is a lot better then this dusty piece of shit...


When I went back to Lubbock for the UT weekend, I remembered why I left. My god is it ugly there. Austin is gorgeous

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post Nov 20 2006, 01:26 PM
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DEATH TO ....something?


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QUOTE (Throwdown @ Nov 17 2006, 05:13 PM) *
When I went back to Lubbock for the UT weekend, I remembered why I left. My god is it ugly there. Austin is gorgeous

-Jessica


damn near ANYWHERE I've ever been is prettier than lubbock ...


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anyone see SNL this week? they had bob knight as the weekend update coach, and he hit seth meyers on the chin and then threw a basketball at him.

it was funny, but i think that a lot of the people in the audience didn't understand what it was in reference to.
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