Israel Hits Lebanon Options

[Billy]

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah militants crossed into
Israel on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel responded in southern Lebanon with warplanes, tanks and gunboats, and said eight of its soldiers had been killed in the violence.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the soldiers' capture "an act of war," and his Cabinet prepared to approve more military action in Lebanon — a second front in the fight against Islamic militants by Israel, which already is waging an operation to free a captured soldier in the
Gaza Strip.

The Israeli army said three soldiers were killed in the initial raid, and four others were killed when their tank hit a land mine in southern Lebanon. An eighth soldier was killed as an Israeli force tried to get to the tank, which was part of a ground invasion aimed at rescuing the captured soldiers.

Olmert said he held the Lebanese government responsible for the two soldiers' safety, vowing that the Israeli response "will be restrained, but very, very, very painful."

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said he will not release the captives except as part of a prisoner swap. He said the two soldiers were "in a safe and very far place."

"No military operation will return them," he told a news conference in Beirut. "The prisoners will not be returned except through one way: indirect negotiations and a trade."

Israeli jets struck deep into southern Lebanon, blasting bridges and Hezbollah positions and killing two civilians, the Lebanese officials said.

The Israeli military planned to call up thousands of reservists, and residents of Israeli towns on the border with Lebanon were ordered to seek cover in underground bomb shelters.

The Israeli stock market plunged on word that two more soldiers were captured and that Israel was getting entangled in a second front against Lebanese guerrillas. The exchange's TA-25 blue chip index sank as much as 4.9 percent in exceptionally heavy trading. It rose slightly in afternoon trading to close down 4.2 percent.

The United States, U.N.,
European Union, France and Germany expressed deep concern about the fighting. U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan called for the immediate release of kidnapped Israeli soldiers and condemned Israel's retaliation in southern Lebanon.

Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice said the Hezbollah action went against the interest of the Lebanese people, and that
Syria has a "special responsibility" to resolve the crisis.

"All sides must act with restraint to resolve this incident peacefully and to protect innocent life and civilian infrastructure," she said ahead of meetings in Paris.

Separately, Israel escalated its Gaza assault, killing 23 people.

Israeli attacks in the central Gaza town of Deir Al-Balah killed 12 people, while two people were killed in separate incidents elsewhere in Gaza.

Israel also dropped a quarter-ton bomb on a home in Gaza City before dawn to try to kill top Hamas fugitives. Palestinian hospital officials said the blast killed nine members of a family — seven children and two parents.

After initially claiming its leaders had escaped harm, Hamas militants took over the intensive care unit of Gaza City's main hospital, where doctors said seven militants were in critical condition. The gunmen refused to say who was being treated.

The Israeli military said Mohammed Deif, the leader of the Hamas military wing and No. 1 on Israel's wanted list for more than a decade, was among the wounded.

The Shiite Lebanese Hezbollah said it captured the two soldiers to help win the release of prisoners held in Israel. Hamas had made identical demands in seizing Cpl. Gilad Shalit on June 25.

A top Hamas leader said his movement did not coordinate with Hezbollah over the capture of the soldiers but said it was "natural" for the groups to work together against Israel.

"Now Israeli has to decide on its choices," Osama Hamdan, Hamas' spokesman in Lebanon, told The Associated Press. "It is early to talk about details of the exchange, but no doubt the operation carried out by Hezbollah today will strengthen our demands to exchange the captives."

Israel, however, appeared determined to win freedom for its troops with a show of force.

Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz warned the Lebanese government that the Israeli military will target infrastructure and "turn back the clock in Lebanon by 20 years," if the soldiers were not returned, Israeli TV reported.

Israeli troops crossed into a southwestern sector of Lebanon, across the border from where the soldiers were seized, trying to keep their captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli security officials said.

Israeli warplanes and gunboats blasted bridges and Hezbollah positions in south Lebanon, killing two civilians, the Lebanese security officials said.

The Israeli jets made their deepest foray in an afternoon strike on a road in the Zahrani region along the Mediterranean coast — about halfway between the border and the capital of Beirut. Anti-aircraft guns opened fire on jets flying over the coastal city of Sidon.

In the evening, warplanes made their closest strike to Beirut, hitting a Palestinian guerrilla base 10 miles to the south.

The Arab League planned an urgent meeting on the crisis Thursday amid "fears of widening of tension and possible Israeli strike against Syria," which backs Hezbollah, a senior league official in Cairo said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa blamed Israel for the escalating violence in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories and denied his country had a role in either abduction.

"It's up to the resistance — both the Lebanese and the Palestinian — to decide what they are doing and why are they fighting," he told reporters in Damascus.

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welch, visiting Cairo, said the capture of the two Israeli soldiers was "a very dangerous escalation" that "puts at risk all the effort that's being put forth by many to find a solution to the current situation."

Jubilant residents of south Beirut, a stronghold of Hezbollah, and Palestinians in the Ein el-Hilwa refugee camp fired guns in the air and set off firecrackers in celebration after the capture of the Israeli soldiers was announced.

The top U.N. official in Lebanon, Geir Pedersen, met with Lebanon's prime minister and denounced Hezbollah's incursion across the border into northern Israel, known as the Blue Line.

"Hezbollah's action escalates the already tense situation along the Blue Line and is an act of very dangerous proportions," he said in a statement.

Elsewhere, Israeli troops killed a Hezbollah guerrilla as he tried to infiltrate a military base in northern Israel. The army said Hezbollah also fired rockets toward the Israeli border. There were no reports of injuries.

Hezbollah's military arm said its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.

Hamas-linked militants have demanded the release of at least some of the estimated 9,000 prisoners held by Israel in exchange for Shalit's freedom. Israel has carried out several prisoner swaps with Hezbollah in the past to free captured Israelis.

Israel occupied a small strip of southern Lebanon for 18 years before withdrawing in 2000 amid public complaints in Israel. Hezbollah fighters have controlled the Lebanese side of the border since then. Israel and Hezbollah have been clashing for two decades and still fight over a small sliver of border territory — Chebaa Farms.

Lebanon is under U.N. and U.S. pressure to disarm the Shiite guerrilla group and move its own military into the south, but the government has refused to do so, calling Hezbollah a legitimate resistance group.

Says Yahoo News

DUN DUN DUN

[Mommy]

Seriously, I fucking hate when dumbfucks accuse Israel of overstepping their boundaries with shit like this. Israel sits smack dab in the middle of their enemy. They need to present themselves as tough. I do think its a good thing for America to back Israel. Her people were almost wiped out once. Their safety is a priority. On the other hand, I rest assured that Israel can do a pretty damn good job at defending herself against Lebanon and Palestine. Israel has some pretty good weaponry

[rabble]

I'm tired of everyone condemning israel for showing a little force. When America got attacked during 9/11 we went off and told the U.N. to kiss our ass.

These arab contries don't want peace, they want Israel gone, they say they want peace when they get their ass kicked, then once they train up more suicide bombers and terrorist idiots they are back to the same old game. Its about time someone wiped lebanon and syria and all those shit countries off the map.

[Hartmann]

Lebanon has always been a thorn in the side of Israel. When my mom lived in Israel she was on the border with Lebanon and said that Hezbollah would often conduct incursions into the country, causing the Israeli Army and Air Force to intervene.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

fuckin jew bastards are gonna continue to drag us down this rabbit hole...

joke

kinda

[Psykopath]

I'll agree that Israel needs to show force/strength given it's geographic location, especially when the situation warrants such action.

What I don't agree with is Israel maintaining any "settlements" formed from conquered lands gained from the Arab-Israeli War/"Six-Day War" and Yom Kippur War (1967 and 1973, respectively). [Side question: Which "settlements" has Israel given back in recent years...was it the Gaza Strip?]
Also, Israel OBVIOUSLY has a problem with the tactics of suicide bombers (Hamas, Hezbolla, etc...whichever group executes them), yet they see no problem firing missiles from helicopters into crowds of civilians with the goal of killing maybe one or two members of the affore mentioned groups.

International hypocrisy...ain't it grand?!

[Dogmeat]

personally I think it'd be great if Israel just fucking took over the entire portion of palestine and then everyone left iraq for palestine and we can finally have the mother of all holy wars and we can finally wipe a bunch of radical muslim fuckheads off the map Go Israel

[Hartmann]

Gaza was just recently returned...

Israel gave Egypt back most of the land that it captured after Egypt invaded. There have been a lot of wars that were started by the Arab side that the Israelis won and were able to gain ground. We still maintain a presence in Germany, Italy, and Japan, why can't the Israeli's do something similiar.

For what it's worth, Gaza has always been disputed and was at first a common settlement, meaning Palestinians and Israelis lived there together.

About your last comment. I'm sorry, I don't feel sorry for people who know that there is a conflict going on around them and they choose to drive a car around in the stuff. Stupidity breeds bad consequences.

[chook]

its a different mindset than ours.

[Psykopath]

About your last comment. I'm sorry, I don't feel sorry for people who know that there is a conflict going on around them and they choose to drive a car around in the stuff. Stupidity breeds bad consequences.

Ah, so based off of this you don't feel sorry for innocent Israelis or Palestinians being killed, correct?

We still maintain a presence in Germany, Italy, and Japan, why can't the Israeli's do something similiar.

I personally feel such troop positions are, if the reasoning is still "fear of a return to WWII governments," idiotic. Now the more common sense treaties/alliances explanation that allows for those bases to be there is a-ok.
Same can't be said for Israeli "settlements."

[Hartmann]

Ah, so based off of this you don't feel sorry for innocent Israelis or Palestinians being killed, correct?



I personally feel such troop positions are, if the reasoning is still "fear of a return to WWII governments," idiotic. Now the more common sense treaties/alliances explanation that allows for those bases to be there is a-ok.
Same can't be said for Israeli "settlements."

There are buffer zones in North Korea as well, which is what Israel calls a lot of the settlements (Israelis and Palestinians live in most of them).

I feel sorry for innocent casualties but I do not feel sorry for stupidity. When my mom was in Israel, as soon as you heard the jets fly over or the tanks starting to roll you immediately went into one of the many bomb shelters that cover the area (on both the Lebanese and Israeli side). People who don't do that are asking for a world of hurt. I don't know how I feel about the Israelis firing into crowds to take out leaders of terrorist groups. On one hand, out in the open is the best way to ensure that they get them, on the other hand, like you said, they put people at risk. I guess the question is, how many lives are saved at the expense of losing one?

[pysex]

Israel

[M1N10N]

Lebanon just needs to finally havea civil war, then everything will be ok and sides can be chosen

[Melanie]

Those Jews are no joke. They'll kill a puppy if it mean mugs one of their soldiers.

[jonathan83]

ww3 is on the brink!

[pysex]

Those Jews are no joke. They'll kill a puppy if it mean mugs one of their soldiers.

yeah...

roll over a baby carriage if its in the street


these guys are hardcore

[Hartmann]

There are now reports that Hezbollah may be trying to transfer the hostages to Iran, clearly trying to draw Israel into a war with the country.

This is what the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other organizations want. They want a war and they want to make it look like Israel is to blame. I have my doubts that the president of Iran would want a war but who knows, he's crazy.

[Jyan]

Dammit, why's everyone always pickin on Israel!

[woody]

let em fight & kill each other

after it's all said & done no one will be bitching about the crazies in the mid east

[chook]

I think we should of let them have an all out fuckfest during 68' before the nukes.

[pebkac]

I think we should of let them have an all out fuckfest during 68' before the nukes.

So would that be like a Middle Eastern orgy or something?

Sounds hot.

[schwab]

let em fight & kill each other

after it's all said & done no one will be bitching about the crazies in the mid east

fighting wont solve anythign, it will just lead to more fighting between them

[Divergent Realit...]

fighting wont solve anythign, it will just lead to more fighting between them

they will never commit enough people for an outright head on war.

[Hartmann]

Hezbollah chief Nasrallah told reporters that seizing the soldiers was "our natural, only and logical right" to win freedom for Hezbollah prisoners held by Israel.

That pretty much sums it up right there... Too bad your logic is a little off Nasrallah.

[Divergent Realit...]

That pretty much sums it up right there... Too bad your logic is a little off Nasrallah.

wouldnt we want to get back any of our soldiers that were captured?

[Hartmann]

wouldnt we want to get back any of our soldiers that were captured?

But they aren't soldiers, they're criminals. You notice he calls them Hezbollah prisoners, not soldiers. They do not fight for Lebanon, they don't fight for Syria, they fight for their own little militia.

And yes, I'd want to get my soldiers back but I think I would look back over history and realize that Israel doesn't really negotiate (Munich anyone). They killed the hostages in that one and Israel was methodical in finding and killing those who did it.

[Mommy]

its time for Israel to step up to show that the are a powerful nation and are not to be fucked with. Palestine and Lebanon can be wiped off the fucking map for all i care.

[Melanie]

I say we gather all the heads of state for a game of Risk. This will end all wars.

[nickluto]

I say we gather all the heads of state for a game of Risk. This will end all wars.

[chook]

I say we gather all the heads of state for a game of Risk. This will end all wars.

risk sucks too much! Need a better game, such as diplomacy or History of the World.

[Divergent Realit...]

risk sucks too much! Need a better game, such as diplomacy or History of the World.

or robot jox

[Melanie]

I'm killer at risk. They call me the female Santa Anna. But maybe that's because I'm Mexican and I have a temper...

yeah... anyways

[nickluto]

[nickluto]

risk sucks too much! Need a better game, such as diplomacy or History of the World.

what ever happened to Stratego?

Still one of my favorite board games in the history of the universe.

[Divergent Realit...]

what ever happened to Stratego?

Still one of my favorite board games in the history of the universe.

go play some twilight imperium.

[Psykopath]

its time for Israel to step up to show that the are a powerful nation and are not to be fucked with. Palestine and Lebanon can be wiped off the fucking map for all i care.

guess every nation that is being "fucked with" should do the same, right?

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

yeah. let anyone who feels they are getting fucked with retaliate in whatever way they seem fit.

fuck all this shit. let's just have another world war.

PC "rights" thrown out the window.

take sides, draw lines, and let the victor be such.

thin out the ol' gene pool.

[Psykopath]

yeah. let anyone who feels they are getting fucked with retaliate in whatever way they seem fit.

fuck all this shit. let's just have another world war.

PC "rights" thrown out the window.

take sides, draw lines, and let the victor be such.

thin out the ol' gene pool.

and here will be the result of that idea:

Fallout of such a war

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

give me back 4 minutes.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

does anyone even like muslims?

they don't like anyone (hell not even themselves if you're in the wrong sect)...so why do we have to like them?

[Psykopath]

does anyone even like muslims?

they don't like anyone (hell not even themselves if you're in the wrong sect)...so why do we have to like them?

HEIL reverse-HITLER !

[pysex]

does anyone even like muslims?

they don't like anyone (hell not even themselves if you're in the wrong sect)...so why do we have to like them?

they smell

[Dogmeat]

if it goes WWIII I'm definatly signing up with a brance of the military for something to do with my engineering degree.....either that or go to work for a weapons manufacturer....if I couldn't get into the military, I could at least do that, taking a small amount of pride in the fact that I had a very small hand in killing idiot muslims!

[Divergent Realit...]

does anyone even like muslims?

they don't like anyone (hell not even themselves if you're in the wrong sect)...so why do we have to like them?

because they are people

watch my heart bleed.

and people are dying.

just like words on a blackboard when they are erased.

it makes me sad.



:: insert montage of rant ::



and thats why we must love everyone - even emos.

and muslims.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

because they are people

watch my heart bleed.

and people are dying.

just like words on a blackboard when they are erased.

it makes me sad.



:: insert montage of rant ::



and thats why we must love everyone - even emos.

and muslims.

holy hell you're hardcore.

I think?

I'm not very good at reading between the interwww-lines anymore...

[Divergent Realit...]

holy hell you're hardcore.

I think?

I'm not very good at reading between the interwww-lines anymore...

it was a j-j-j-joke

if i were serious there would have been a rant.

[RitalinJunkie]

because they are people

watch my heart bleed.

and people are dying.

just like words on a blackboard when they are erased.

it makes me sad.



:: insert montage of rant ::



and thats why we must love everyone - even emos.

and muslims.

Thats a lie



no-one needs to love the Emos

[Mommy]

guess every nation that is being "fucked with" should do the same, right?

i never said that. I did, however, say in an earlier post that Israel needs to be protected because of the circumstances of the holocaust. that and im sick of a lot of the muslim nations...Iran, Lebanon, Palestine with their "we hate anyone even ourselves" attitude. fuck em

[Melanie]

i never said that. I did, however, say in an earlier post that Israel needs to be protected because of the circumstances of the holocaust. that and im sick of a lot of the muslim nations...Iran, Lebanon, Palestine with their "we hate anyone even ourselves" attitude. fuck em

It's not easy being the only Jewish nation in the world being surrounded by the Muslim world that will eat their babies for Islam.

[M1N10N]

It's not easy being the only Jewish nation in the world being surrounded by the Muslim world that will eat their babies for Islam.

I think it has more to do with their location than their religion ... why not make your jewish nation in eastern europe ... there are tons of jews there and the borders are kinda hazy

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

I wonder the same, but the fact is it is historically 'their' land...the promised land...all that old testament shit.

personally I think the whole place is a big dusty cesspool of crap.

fuckin religion...

[Dogmeat]

yeah. relegion is gay....especially Islam though. It's dumber than all the other relegions combined

[pebkac]

yeah. relegion is gay....especially Islam though. It's dumber than all the other relegions combined

Unless you count Scientology and Mormonism.

[Divergent Realit...]

Unless you count Scientology and Mormonism.

mormons make lots of babies.

you should steal a few from each family.

they would never notice.

train these children to be supersoldiers.

send them to war with big guns.

make them shoot lots of things.

when they are ready to come home begin the flight.

gas them with sleepytime gas.

let the pilots eject.

let them burn.

[pysex]

mormons make lots of babies.

you should steal a few from each family.

they would never notice.

train these children to be supersoldiers.

send them to war with big guns.

make them shoot lots of things.

when they are ready to come home begin the flight.

gas them with sleepytime gas.

let the pilots eject.

let them burn.

get some sleep man

[Divergent Realit...]

get some sleep man

i got 3, im fine.

[Hartmann]

I wonder the same, but the fact is it is historically 'their' land...the promised land...all that old testament shit.

personally I think the whole place is a big dusty cesspool of crap.

fuckin religion...

Israel isn't as much dust as poeple think. Both it and Egypt have very fertile areas and lots and lots of trees (not just palms). Israel's climate is a lot like southern Italy and Greece from what my mom said.

I think it's a very religious thing. Jews are referred to as pigs in textbooks. The children are being taught from a young age that the Jews are the reason for most of their problems.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

I guess so...I've personally never stepped foot there.

so two days ago I was getting my hoof worked on by the pediatrist and he said 'so where are you going again?'

and I told him iraq...and he was like 'fuck that' and I told him...'hey it's better than israel'

[James]

Worked on? What'd you do, have him take out all your toenails so they can't pull them out if you get caught?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Hartmann]

I guess so...I've personally never stepped foot there.

so two days ago I was getting my hoof worked on by the pediatrist and he said 'so where are you going again?'

and I told him iraq...and he was like 'fuck that' and I told him...'hey it's better than israel'

So you doing a contract gig there?

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

yeah...I just need my damn foot to heal. I'm getting a shot of steroids in it next week so that should put me on the right track. it's good money and it helps you sleep at night (weird, I know). this time I think I'm mainly training ughandans (sp?) and sri lankans. but this one is 6 months.

plus, once you're accustomed to the pucker factor, the ACTUAL threat really isn't that big. I mean if work for some shady pmc that recruits dickweeds, then yeah you might end up getting your shit lopped off. but I go with soc-smg so it's all experienced operators, you know?

[pysex]

yeah...I just need my damn foot to heal. I'm getting a shot of steroids in it next week so that should put me on the right track. it's good money and it helps you sleep at night (weird, I know). this time I think I'm mainly training ughandans (sp?) and sri lankans. but this one is 6 months.

plus, once you're accustomed to the pucker factor, the ACTUAL threat really isn't that big. I mean if work for some shady pmc that recruits dickweeds, then yeah you might end up getting your shit lopped off. but I go with soc-smg so it's all experienced operators, you know?

play it safe over there and kick a t in the ass for me

[pysex]

with your good foot of course

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

thanks. but I don't wanna to kick too much ass. lol

[Divergent Realit...]

it's good money and it helps you sleep at night (weird, I know).

dont forget about sleeping at day.

[chook]

go play some twilight imperium.

some friends of mine want to get a game of it this weekend. Second edition i think

[chook]

yeah. relegion is gay....especially Islam though. It's dumber than all the other relegions combined

did religion make you forget how to spell or was it the beer

[Hartmann]

Good luck Cannonball. Keep your weapon clean...


I just watched some Lebanese TV and these people are nuts. They were dressing up dummies as Israeli soldiers and showing their children how to stomp on them. Some people were talking about how they would like string up the Israeli soldiers and that they deserve to hold the soldiers.

[impala454]

Gah the news has jumped on this like white on rice. We've probably had more people killed in car accidents and homicides over here than they've had in this crap so far.

"NEWS FLASH!! ONE PERSON DIED IN A ROCKET BLAST IN LEBANON!!! OMG THIS R NEWS!!!"

[woody]

Gah the news has jumped on this like white on rice.  We've probably had more people killed in car accidents and homicides over here than they've had in this crap so far.

"NEWS FLASH!! ONE PERSON DIED IN A ROCKET BLAST IN LEBANON!!! OMG THIS R NEWS!!!"

word

for about 5 days straight the red banner with breaking news on cnn.com was opintless cause it wasn never off the page

This post has been edited by woody: Jul 20 2006, 10:21 AM

[schwab]

Gah the news has jumped on this like white on rice. We've probably had more people killed in car accidents and homicides over here than they've had in this crap so far.

"NEWS FLASH!! ONE PERSON DIED IN A ROCKET BLAST IN LEBANON!!! OMG THIS R NEWS!!!"

lebanese make a big deal about 1 person dying? are you kidding me? israelis are making so much more about people dying than the lebanese, who have 6 times the number of people dead and most are civilians

im not saying either side is right, im just pointing that out

[impala454]

lebanese make a big deal about 1 person dying? are you kidding me? israelis are making so much more about people dying than the lebanese, who have 6 times the number of people dead and most are civilians

im not saying either side is right, im just pointing that out

yeah i didnt mean to single out lebanon, i just made up a news headline to get my point across

[M1N10N]

because the lebanese are not in the fight, its between hezbullah and isreal, the lebanese just want both out of their country.

but i guess we can ignore civilian deaths ...

[Hartmann]

because the lebanese are not in the fight, its between hezbullah and isreal, the lebanese just want both out of their country.

but i guess we can ignore civilian deaths ...

The Lebanese government does not want Hezbollah out... They say they do but that's to appease the west. Hezbollah helped "liberate" the country from Israeli occupation and they are seen as heroes, no one wants them out of the country.

[schwab]

The Lebanese government does not want Hezbollah out... They say they do but that's to appease the west. Hezbollah helped "liberate" the country from Israeli occupation and they are seen as heroes, no one wants them out of the country.

so basically what you are saying is that the lebanese people are happy this is happenign because they support the hezbollah?

[Hartmann]

so basically what you are saying is that the lebanese people are happy this is happenign because they support the hezbollah?

They aren't happy about the Israelis bombing the crap out of them, no but they are perfectly content with Hezbollah being there. There has been more stability in the country (till now) due to Hezbollah and the crisis with Syria was lessened with help from them.

[chook]

so basically what you are saying is that the lebanese people are happy this is happenign because they support the hezbollah?

it is like the US and our forces in S. Korea

[pebkac]

What idiot's bright idea was it to put the Israelis right in the middle of all the people who have historically hated them?

I mean, I know it's the whole "promised land" and everything. But there's 2 other religions that believe the same thing.

[Hartmann]

What idiot's bright idea was it to put the Israelis right in the middle of all the people who have historically hated them?

I mean, I know it's the whole "promised land" and everything. But there's 2 other religions that believe the same thing.

What's funny is that Israel isn't truly a "Holy Land" for Islam... That would be Mecca and Medina. The religious significance is much less for Jerusalem.

[Mommy]

What's funny is that Israel isn't truly a "Holy Land" for Islam... That would be Mecca and Medina. The religious significance is much less for Jerusalem.

yeah, historically Israel has much more cultural ties to that land

[chook]

everyone ascends into heaven around Jerusalem, cause that is where the star gate is.

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

Gah the news has jumped on this like white on rice. We've probably had more people killed in car accidents and homicides over here than they've had in this crap so far.

"NEWS FLASH!! ONE PERSON DIED IN A ROCKET BLAST IN LEBANON!!! OMG THIS R NEWS!!!"

it's not the number of killed that is newsworthy...

it's that it (war) is 'happening' that is the big shit.

[impala454]

nah i think it's more that there's nothing else for them to talk about.

[FORSAKENR320]

too bad they didn't kill mccully culkin. he was there with girlfriend apparently

[Guest_CANNONBALL_*]

nah i think it's more that there's nothing else for them to talk about.

"nah", you're wrong...

if you don't think israel taking off the gloves and reaching for hezbullah isn't news worthy, or big time shit, you're a fuckin idiot.

[jonathan83]

syria's next, oh no!

and they just found out Iran was in North Korea a couple weeks ago for the missile tests.

its all coming together!

[jwttu]

the poor jews never get any love

[False Dude]

the rich jews never get any love

.