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http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/07090...070906063.shtml

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Lubbock library to review policy on Internet porn
BY JAMES GALLAGHER
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Jamar High visits the Mahon Library about three times a week to access the Internet.

The 22-year-old uses library computers to pay his bills and access his myspace.com page.

"It's convenient," he said. "It's real easy to grab a computer and just log on."

High said he's never used the computers to access sexually explicit material nor has he seen anyone doing it.

But it does happen.

People have accessed Internet pornography in Lubbock libraries, and the City Council wants it to stop. Now the city's Libraries Board and the City Council are in the process of reviewing the library system's policies regarding Internet access to ensure that people aren't accessing sexually explicit material.

"I want to learn more about what our policy is and why we have the policy we do," said Mayor Pro Tem Jim Gilbreath. "Why we have chosen not to filter anything at this time?"

Gilbreath said his daughter was recently using a public library computer and noticed the gentleman next to her was looking at a sexually explicit Web site.

According to the Lubbock Public Library Internet Safety Policy, Internet filters are not used because the library system does not want to "make any attempt to censor access to the Internet."

"We worked with our attorney in the legal department to determine the policy so people know up front that it is unfiltered," said Jane Clausen, Library Services director.

Instead of filters, Lubbock libraries require parental approval if children under the age of 17 want to use the Internet.

Adults are legally allowed to view sexually explicit material - even in libraries - if they choose. Obscenity and child pornography are not legally viewable anywhere.

Aida Rios signed a parental waiver form to allow her 16-year-old son to use library computers. She said she is concerned about what he can access, but she'll supervise it.

"I'll probably be here because I have to drive him," she said.

The city's Internet policy was last updated in August 2002, three months after a federal district court in Pennsylvania struck down the federal Children's Internet Protection Act, which required libraries accepting federal funding for computers and Internet access to install Internet filters.

The district court said the filter requirement violated the First Amendment.

The U.S. Supreme Court overturned that decision in 2003. The court ruled that requiring the filters did not violate the First Amendment, so long as the filters are turned off at the request of an adult library patron.

The federal government now requires libraries accepting funding for public computers and Internet access to install filters.

Clausen said Lubbock libraries do not use their federal funds to pay for public computers or Internet access and are therefore not required by the federal government to install Internet filters.

Still, Gilbreath wants the library board to consider it.

"The City Council is responsible for administering community standards," he said. "Given where we are with sexually oriented businesses and all, to me, using public funds to supply access to pornographic Web sites is not a good use of public funds."

City Attorney Anita Burgess said her staff is looking at the policy and will help the Libraries Board refreshen it, if needed.

Steve Lindell, who coordinates the Bidwell Technology Center at the Mahon Library, said he has had to deal with patrons accessing Internet pornography a couple of times in his three years there.

"It's not as prevalent as people think," he said.

More than 105,000 library patrons used public access computers in the city's four libraries during the fiscal year 2004-05.

Lindell said in the few instances when someone accessed sexually explicit material, he asked them to change to a different Web site or offered to move them to another computer, away from other patrons.

The American Library Association, which leads the charge against the Children's Internet Protection Act, also said that few people complain about seeing others accessing sexually explicit material in libraries.

Deborah Caldwell-Stone, deputy director for the office for intellectual freedom at the American Library Association, said libraries respect their patrons' privacy and have no way of tracking how frequently library computers are used to access sexually explicit material. Rather, the organization relies on anecdotal evidence from participating libraries.

"There are libraries that tell us there's absolutely no problem at all, and there's other libraries that had complaints, and they adopt policies to address the viewing problems," she said.

Caldwell-Stone said the association would prefer individual communities establish their own policies regarding the Internet and filters instead of Congress mandating it. The association also questions the effectiveness of filters.

"The thing about filters is, filters are promoted as a silver bullet, and they really aren't," she said. "They are costly. They require staff members to maintain. And they are inaccurate."

Caldwell-Stone said the filters often block legal sites, such as health sites, while failing to block all pornographic sites.

Two studies conducted by the National Research Council and by the Kaiser Family Foundation in 2002 concluded that filters are a good tool for limiting access, but they are not perfect.

The Kaiser study found that filters work best when set at the lowest level. At more restrictive levels, filters "block access to a substantial amount of health information, with only a minimal increase in blocked pornographic content."

Caldwell-Stone said many libraries across the nation have forgone federal funding rather than complying with the Children's Internet Protection Act. She said the libraries find the discounts and funding they receive often aren't enough to offset the cost of buying Internet filters and paying someone to monitor them.

"It's interesting to watch, but libraries have just given up," she said. "It's so complex to comply with CIPA, they've just given up the money."

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post Jul 9 2006, 11:21 AM
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Lance, that title is misleading. They're preventing it on library computers. Good. I don't want children walking by that shit.


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uhhh, if they prevent it aren't they banning it? it means the same thing

plus, it's perfectly legal to view porn at libraries, and by banning it they'd be breaking the law

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post Jul 9 2006, 11:32 AM
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a lot of cities have done this. i hope lubbock does it.


and shouldn't people have enough self control to at least wait until they're in their car to jerk off, anyway?
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I think they should ban porn at the library. I dont think adults should have the right to view obscene material in public. Thats something that should be for the privacy of the home. If they want to look at dirty things, the can buy a porn or look at a magazine if they dont have internet. I dont want to walk by and see some old creepy dude viewing tranny porn. It also makes the library a less safe environment in my opinion.

I agree that the thread title was misleading.
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 9 2006, 11:33 AM)
I think they should ban porn at the library.

I agree that the thread title was misleading.

You agree with the article that they should ban porn. Then you throw in the second comment about the title being misleading?

Which is it? Are they attempting to ban porn and you're for it? Or is the title misleading?

Or did you just regurgitate what James said because he's a smart guy (typically what girls do)? Can we say sheeple?

And you guys are old fuddy-duddies. Where else am I going to view my tranny porn and pleasure myself?
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post Jul 9 2006, 11:46 AM
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don't you live in dallas? i'm pretty sure dallas has more "adult" libraries than actual book libraries
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QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 9 2006, 12:41 PM)
You agree with the article that they should ban porn. Then you throw in the second comment about the title being misleading?

Which is it? Are they attempting to ban porn and you're for it? Or is the title misleading?

Or did you just regurgitate what James said because he's a smart guy (typically what girls do)? Can we say sheeple?

And you guys are old fuddy-duddies. Where else am I going to view my tranny porn and pleasure myself?

Lance, I thought the thread title was dumb well before I ever scrolled down to see James' reply. The thread title says "Lubbock wants to ban porn" which makes it sound like that porn cant be sold anywhere... when all that is really going on is that they want to ban it in PUBLIC libraries. You arent being censored...there is a fine line between censorship and making a public library appropriate for all ages.

Believe it or not, you may hang around with a bunch of dumb bimbos who have to use the process of elimination when deciding what foot a shoe goes on, but that doesnt mean that all girls are dumb. I think of myself as a pretty damn intelligent person.
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Read the thread sub-title dumbass, it distinctly says "in libraries"!!

I like how you dumbasses bash my thread titles, but you don't even read the full thread title!!!
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post Jul 9 2006, 01:23 PM
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Yeah. Because the subtitle is listed on the main forum listing...rolleyes.gif


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1) I think you later added that, but I have no proof

2) When I hit the reply button all it says is "Replying to Lubbock wants to ban porn"

3) When reading the article I thought it was a little misleading of a thread title... the topic DESCRIPTION says "in libraries"....thats not the topic title.... so therefore I can say that your thread TITLE is misleading.

4) I just think that it was used as an attention getter...if that was the case, then job well done. Im not bashing that...I was just saying that it was a tad misleading. You are the one that started throwing insults.
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I DID NOT add the sub-title later, it has ALWAYS been on there.

OPEN the FORUM and then click the threads if you want to see the SUBTITLES.

Accusing me of things I DID NOT do means you are very close to a BANNING.
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Everything I do gets logged in the admin control panel:



WHERE OR WHERE IS THE LOG OF ME EDITING THE TOPIC TITLE? HUH HUH?

WANT TO ACCUSE ME OF MORE SHIT NOW?????
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QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 9 2006, 02:46 PM)
I DID NOT add the sub-title later, it has ALWAYS been on there.

OPEN the FORUM and then click the threads if you want to see the SUBTITLES.

Accusing me of things I DID NOT do means you are very close to a BANNING.

Lance, please stop. Im not trying to start shit with you. It kinda just pisses me off that basically call me stupid. Fine its always been there. I didnt see it. You are right. I think my other points legitimize what Im trying to say without that anyways. I cant believe we are going at it about a fucking thread title. I was just saying it was misleading...thats all. I wasnt insulting you. Again, you are the one that accused me of being a stupid girl.

If you are going to ban me over something stupid like this then Im sure I will get banned sooner or later anyways. I post on this site because I know people on here and because I enjoy it. Yeah, I like it and it would suck if I was banned, but I'll get over it pretty damn fast. Besides would be pretty ironic if I got banned because of a post I made in a thread having to do with censorship. Im not going to kiss your ass and call you god, but I dont think we have ever had problems on here before and I much enjoy some of your posts. If you ban me, ok. Just think about it first though because again you are the one that threw the first punch. Dont get in the ring if you cant take getting hit.
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QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 9 2006, 02:55 PM)
Everything I do gets logged in the admin control panel:



WHERE OR WHERE IS THE LOG OF ME EDITING THE TOPIC TITLE? HUH HUH?

WANT TO ACCUSE ME OF MORE SHIT NOW?????

CALM DOWN! I SAID IT WAS A SMALL THOUGHT OF MINE. JESUS CHRIST. ok you didnt change the thread DESCRIPTION
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wait wait wait... so is Seth banned too?

it says you edited his profile...that mean he's banned? sad.gif
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you have to edit a persons profile to change their member group to the banned group, so yes he's been banned

that's old news, everyones already jumped for joy and the few homos that like him are mad (as usual), but that's what he gets for spouting off personal insults to everybody
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QUOTE (Jessica @ Jul 9 2006, 01:59 PM)
Lance, please stop. Im not trying to start shit with you. It kinda just pisses me off that basically call me stupid. Fine its always been there. I didnt see it. You are right. I think my other points legitimize what Im trying to say without that anyways. I cant believe we are going at it about a fucking thread title. I was just saying it was misleading...thats all. I wasnt insulting you. Again, you are the one that accused me of being a stupid girl.

If you are going to ban me over something stupid like this then Im sure I will get banned sooner or later anyways. I post on this site because I know people on here and because I enjoy it. Yeah, I like it and it would suck if I was banned, but I'll get over it pretty damn fast. Besides would be pretty ironic if I got banned because of a post I made in a thread having to do with censorship. Im not going to kiss your ass and call you god, but I dont think we have ever had problems on here before and I much enjoy some of your posts. If you ban me, ok. Just think about it first though because again you are the one that threw the first punch. Dont get in the ring if you cant take getting hit.

i'm just tired of people of accusing me of stuff i don't do

don't worry, i still love you, i don't know who else on techsans would give me all those slobbery blowjobs if i banned you
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ Jul 9 2006, 02:45 PM)
you cannot legislate morality

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QUOTE (neoshaman @ Jul 9 2006, 03:11 PM)
i'm just tired of people of accusing me of stuff i don't do

don't worry, i still love you, i don't know who else on techsans would give me all those slobbery blowjobs if i banned you

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leans towards that bit about watching pron in your car on the flip down screens. people got all pissy about people watching pron in other cars.

dont look at their car : dont look at their monitor

people will just get around the filters.

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QUOTE (Rocky @ Jul 9 2006, 03:11 PM)
laws tell us what is right and wrong to do. laws essentially are enforced morals.

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heres my $.02

I think computers in the childrens section of the library where young people are the main users of that area should be filtered for illegal stuff (such as porn since they are <18).

However the main adult computers should be unfiltered because if you do anything you are just opening yourself up for censorship of information and then you have the dilemma of who decides what the people can see.

I personally think that looking at porn in a library is gross and stupid but I also recognize that you have to respect people's rights in a democratic country.

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QUOTE (Bob @ Jul 9 2006, 12:24 PM)
uhhh, if they prevent it aren't they banning it? it means the same thing

plus, it's perfectly legal to view porn at libraries, and by banning it they'd be breaking the law

lets see this law
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QUOTE (lamont's lament @ Jul 9 2006, 11:32 AM)
and shouldn't people have enough self control to at least wait until they're in their car to jerk off, anyway?

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There are enough alternatives than the library to gain access to porn. Porn does not have to be a free service to aquire. I believe it could be safely restricted in libraries without causing significant harm to society.
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the first question that pops to mind is...

do libraries catalog porn magazines? can you check them out or look at them?

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from a network admin POV, I say ban the living fuck outta porn sites...I wouldn't want all the popups and spyware and god only knows what else from those sites on computers I was responsible for.


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QUOTE (Bob @ Jul 9 2006, 01:55 PM)
Everything I do gets logged in the admin control panel:



WHERE OR WHERE IS THE LOG OF ME EDITING THE TOPIC TITLE? HUH HUH?

WANT TO ACCUSE ME OF MORE SHIT NOW?????

lolz since when is editing a thread an "Admin Action" ?

unless i'm wrong and stupid!


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QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Jul 11 2006, 05:48 AM)
lolz since when is editing a thread an "Admin Action" ?

unless i'm wrong and stupid!

It's not. It's a mod action, shows up under the mod logs, not the admin logs. This I say having been an admin on another IPB forum...


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Why are so many people getting banned?

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Why are so many people getting banned?

Techsans is already fading away, why speed the process?

agreed.

I always thought fucking with each other was SOP for this place. now it appears if you say something that crosses lance's line you get banned.

I wonder how much he'd sell it for? fuck I should just buy and let one of you mofos admin/mod it. that way the banning would cease.
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QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 11 2006, 09:58 AM)
I wonder how much he'd sell it for? fuck I should just buy and let one of you mofos admin/mod it. that way the banning would cease.

I think he wanted upwards of $300 for it.


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Only through donations, but it would be easy enough to put Google ads or something similar up.


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does this generate any revenue?

Nope, But I think most people would be fine with ads, If they were not popups or made noise.
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QUOTE (John6.7 @ Jul 11 2006, 02:27 PM)
Nope, But I think most people would be fine with ads, If they were not popups or made noise.

i wouldn't care


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post Jul 11 2006, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (CANNONBALL @ Jul 10 2006, 11:51 AM)
the first question that pops to mind is...

do libraries catalog porn magazines? can you check them out or look at them?

second question...what nasty fuck looks at porn in the library?

First question,
No

Second Question,
Homeless people


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post Jul 11 2006, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Spivey @ Jul 11 2006, 05:13 PM)
Homeless people

They hide in the darkness.
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post Jul 11 2006, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (John6.7 @ Jul 11 2006, 04:30 PM)
They hide in the darkness.

And they steal backpacks and rape library employees.


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A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And--how many of us do know it? Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses... what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth...?

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post Jul 12 2006, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Jul 11 2006, 09:26 AM)
It's not. It's a mod action, shows up under the mod logs, not the admin logs. This I say having been an admin on another IPB forum...

no, it's not even a mod action. i'm talking about editing your own thread (since that's what we're dealing with here). now if it was someone else's thread, then yes.


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post Jul 12 2006, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (Spivey @ Jul 11 2006, 04:13 PM)
First question,
No

Second Question,
Homeless people

ok cool thank.

well if libraries don't normally catalog porn mags, then why the hell should porn be available online in a library?

it's just the new medium.
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