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 Oct 10 2007, 04:26 PM
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Slavery was also in the constitution...
-------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM)  Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Oct 10 2007, 04:37 PM
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 Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
so lets just say hell with it then and burn it then.
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Oct 10 2007, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (cupcake @ Oct 10 2007, 04:37 PM) I take my lead from the Jefferson...not some socialist fuck... "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent..., or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. I wonder what Jefferson would say about guns in today's age? Unlikely anything like that, being that owning a hand gun won't impower you against the government. A gun will do nothing to stop a tank, rockets, and choppers. (Maybe the constitution should be amended to say "right to bear arms, heavy artillary, and strike weapons.) I believe, banning guns would absolutely end all school shootings in this country. Why? Because the people who seem to lose it and shoot up the school aren't the ones that typically have a criminal history and would know the lower rungs of society well enough to know how to purchase a gun from the black market. Do you know how to buy a gun from the black market? I sure don't. (If you do, I would appreciate a PM telling me how though  )However, I do not believe school shootings occur often enough to justify banning your ability to defend yourself against those who do know how to buy guns off the black market. Though I would be interested in some data that showed how many lives were saved or criminal acts deterred because a civilian owned a gun. --------------------  QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Oct 10 2007, 04:42 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 10,620 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 48 |
QUOTE (Forum Warrior @ Oct 10 2007, 05:38 PM) I wonder what Jefferson would say about guns in today's age? Unlikely anything like that, being that owning a hand gun won't impower you against the government. A gun will do nothing to stop a tank, rockets, and choppers. (Maybe the constitution should be amended to say "right to bear arms, heavy artillary, and strike weapons.) you're right, one person with a handgun won't empower you against the government. how about 30 million people? 100 million? |
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Oct 10 2007, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 10 2007, 05:42 PM) you're right, one person with a handgun won't empower you against the government. how about 30 million people? 100 million? You can arm a billion people with a hang gun, and that will do little to stop an army of jets, tanks, or any well equipped military like that one we currently have. 100 million people would be more effective in protest than they would be with a hang gun. -------------------- QUOTE (jonathan83 @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 PM) |
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Oct 10 2007, 07:34 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
not to mention there arent 30million people capable to fire a gun in america. (total population doesnt differentiate between babies, amputees, and severely disabled. also not to mention all the people in the military that i guess in this scenario the "average" person would be fighting against. and then the military's civilian supporters) so all in all a few hundred rednecks who have convinced themself to take on the government with assault rifles would have no chance. unless they buy WMD's from the axis of evil but thats not 'merican.
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Oct 10 2007, 07:34 PM
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From Atlantis to Interzone Group: Global Moderators Posts: 2,512 Joined: 23-February 06 From: Somewhere in space and time Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (impala454 @ Oct 10 2007, 05:37 PM) so lets just say hell with it then and burn it then. No... the people that wrote the constitution left a loophole though. The constitution can be amended. If your only objection is that it's unconstitutional, then let's amend it. -------------------- QUOTE (Spectatrix @ Oct 13 2006, 09:51 PM) Holy shit, pebkac, you're awesome! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Theodor Seuss Geisel (AKA Dr. Seuss) "An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all." - Oscar Wilde |
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Oct 10 2007, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 10 2007, 04:39 PM) American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control) http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet.../statistics.htm there may be more deaths by choking and drowning but of those how many are murders versus the number of shootings which may very well be mostly intentional? is what my earlier post meant are these per capita numbers? I'm not saying we dont have more deaths but if it iis total deaths regardless of population its obviously going to make the US look worse. |
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Oct 10 2007, 08:14 PM
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Group: Moderators Posts: 885 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Lubbock, Texas Member No.: 12 |
QUOTE (cmac @ Oct 10 2007, 04:32 PM) i bet it was pretty easy for him to get a gun is what i'm saying. had he got in trouble for fighting then went home, parents didn't have a gun, wanted to buy a gun (not to mention probably not of age), had to wait 30 days or whatever, then by then i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be angry any more. and even that you can buy guns is stupid. i have pretty extreme gun law views. no need to kill for our food anymore. we have grocery stores. no need to kill prisoners. we have lethal injection. no need to kill each other. self explanatory. no need for guns. Hunters aren't out hunting cows or chickens most of them want meat that you can't get in a grocery store like venison, quail, dove, pheasant, duck, etc.. |
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Oct 10 2007, 08:21 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
QUOTE (jwttu @ Oct 10 2007, 09:06 PM) are these per capita numbers? I'm not saying we dont have more deaths but if it iis total deaths regardless of population its obviously going to make the US look worse. i dont know. so over 5k kids getting shot a year isnt a problem? -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Oct 10 2007, 08:54 PM
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I can kill you with a knife. Ban knives.
I can kill you with my copy of Black's Law Dictionary. Ban dictionaries. I can kill you with a brick. Ban masonry. What now? The tool is not evil. The way the tool is used is. Learn the difference and you'll see that banning guns is dumb. --------------------  |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:27 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
sorry but no
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Oct 10 2007, 09:37 PM
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 Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
Get rid of all guns.
Let's just all have butcher knives instead. Then the kiddies will play swords and only slice off fingers and noses. ....in all seriousness: I agree with Cupcake/Jon 100%. Just because some jackhole leaves his deuce laying around for his gaggle of ignorant (be it by age or improper parental instruction) kids to "play" with doesn't mean that suddenly everyone, even the vast majority of competent gun owners, can't exercise their Constitutional right. Example: In 2005, about 36 out of 1,000 marriages ended in divorce. 3.6% ...guess marriage should be banned utilizing the logic being used in this thread. This post has been edited by Psykopath: Oct 10 2007, 09:38 PM -------------------- |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:39 PM
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CHEE CHEE Group: Members Posts: 5,026 Joined: 23-February 06 From: trapped in the hoezone layer Member No.: 39 |
when does marriage infringe upon my safety?
a tool is a tool. its use is for its inherent practicality. i wouldnt even come close to considering a gun a tool. i can build a home with a brick, i can make a bed with a brick, i can lay a foundation for a society with bricks. i cant rightly build a house of guns. -------------------- Little monkeys making money
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Oct 10 2007, 09:41 PM
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Why so serious? Group: Global Moderators Posts: 5,286 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Fate, TX Member No.: 4 |
QUOTE (Testm0nkey @ Oct 10 2007, 10:39 PM) when does marriage infringe upon my safety? when it involves gays 'Murrica! 'Twas just using a statistical example, relating to percentages and threshold limits and the like. -------------------- |
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