Well you have to believe in the hell that is for all eternity (which isn't true, just made up by the church to scare people into christianity)

also, with pre destination, it might be that you will make your choice, but with a god, it might be able to travel THROUGH space and time meaning it has already been able to see the future and the choice you made. And say there are multiple dimensions for every choice you make then that would mean indefinitely that everyone would most likely make the choice right and wrong in one dimension.

There are so many ways to go off the wall, that we wouldn't find out until we die AND there WAS a god for us to find out. My only point is that i don't think you can logically disprove god, even though i've read some good books that try, mainly because our knowledge of the universe is mostly theoretical at the moment.

God is not all loving, why would he engineer a situation where man would always sin and has to accept an illogical, demented, hypocritical system in order to be saved. I like analogies, they are my friend. Imagine that god is a parent and adam/eve are two children. It is like saying "don't eat any cookies before dinner" then leaving the room unoccupied with the cookies in PLAIN reach. Fuck that shit... God does not exist!

Well sounds like you have your own vendetta more than anything, is a god "illogical"... thats up for debate, but analogies can only get you so far. Because if there is a god, his intentions are unknown, and no matter how "unfair" it might appear if he does exist, it still doesn't logically get rid of god.

Anyway, i'll shut up now and go study for my contracts final

It does for me, a fable book is not going to convince me that there is an invisible man in the sky. And yes, I have a vendetta.

and why do you have a vendetta?

Do you blame the religion of Christianity or the specific Christians that hurt you in some way for this vendetta?

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lets live like its the 14th century?

did i read that right?

wasnt the 14th century one of the shittiest centuries for christendom?

black death, hundred years war started, famine.

those were things that really shook up people's faith in the church.

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hot piss.

ill pass.

ha ha ha, atheists just got owned!

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what's really interesting is how people can pour so much hate out at Christianity, but give respect to other religions which are based on the same God, or even religions completely different but just as anti-scientific (buddhism & hinduism comes to mind)

Well, really, by 'people' you are referring to the people that you have the most interaction with: atheist Americans. If one replaces 'people' with 'atheist Americans,' the answer of your question becomes obvious.

Let's face facts here, the United States is a predominantly Christian nation; nearly 80% of Americans identify with some flavor of Christianity. Knowing this, and the fact that the percentage of agnostics/atheists grew by 6.6% from 1990 to 2001, it is very safe to assume that most American atheists were raised in a family that identified with the Christian faith.

It is easy to dislike something with which one is familiar and, likewise, it is much easier to like or have no opinion on something with which one is not familiar. Additionally, the fact that most flavors of Christianity are led by some type of governing body -- papacy, conventions, etc. -- probably fuels some of this. It is much easier to criticize the Southern Baptist Convention for being a bunch of repressed Neanderthal douche-bags for passing a gay-bashing resolution than it is to criticize a local Pastor who probably had little or no say in the matter.

I mean, hell, this is similar to the thread in the Off-Topic forum where people are stating how easy they find ripping off a large corporation is but, at the same time, express how they wouldn't want a line-level employee to get in trouble while they did so.

All that being said, I am an atheist who thinks religion is pretty fucking stupid. Christianity is retarded. Judaism is dumb. Islam is fantastic (don't bomb me, please). Hinduism smells bad. Buddhism is a bunch of hippie bullshit.

Fortunately, the percentage of the American population who identifies themselves as agnostic or atheist is growing faster than any religion. Finally, you people are starting to come around.

SOURCE: Wikipedia entry on Religion in the United States

no, by 'people' i meant exactly what i said. people who bash christians. that may include atheist americans but it's not limited to them. it's obvious to me that you don't give any religions any respect, but there are plenty of people out there who will bash christianity for the notion of a god, then talk about how much buddhism is so great.


why do you think it's stupid?


That may be.. but I'd be willing to bet if you could find reliable statistics of people coming out of the closet it would correlate pretty closely

impala, a lot of that is because Christians are bigger dicks about their religion than most others are (Muslims being the notable exception). Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. aren't usually trying to shove their respective religions down the throats of others. For instance, I've never seen a Buddhist with a bullhorn trying to claim that Buddha cures AIDS (sorry, flashback to me wanting to punch a couple of evangelicals in their pretty little faces a few weeks ago).

This post has been edited by Spectatrix: Dec 7 2006, 09:51 AM

All i know is that one way or another, both sides annoy the shit outta people. Christians are "ramming" it down peoples ... whatever they ram it down, and atheists are gung-ho about telling christians how stupid their beliefs are.


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