because everyone is different...people do make the choices...i don't listen to marilyn manson because i think he's a complete douchebag

not because my parents said he was...not because my friends said he was....but because i think his music is terrible and he looks like an effing retard


but if my parents said marilyn manson was cool...and my friends said he was cool...and i liked the message he communicated...i'd probably be living more like marilyn manson than i am now

that's influence...even though i chose...i was still influenced and it affected my choice

most people aren't strong willed like you or me...the choices they make are fucking stupid and usually influenced by someone like marilyn manson or paris hilton

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE...but it does exist

i am failing to see the point you're getting at. if everyone is influenced differently, but the rules of our society have to apply to everyone, what would be your solution to avoid this issue

my point is you can't say people aren't influenced by outside sources

that's just fucking not true

i'm not saying they aren't influenced. in fact, i never mentioned anything to the contrary.

what i am saying is that no matter what people are influenced by, it's still their responsibility to act appropriately in society. if they can't do that, they are removed from society.


from your little rant, you're telling us one of 2 things, though i'm not sure which.

either you believe that we should get rid of the "harmful" music, so that people don't shoot others, or you think that "special" laws should be in place to handle these people who "just don't know better due to their enviroment"

which is it?

you said it's not the fault of what they are exposed to...it's the person

in some cases you're right...in others you aren't....

i doubt this boy was told that manson is a pretty fucking evil character and his shit is dark and not normal so his behavior was only reinforced

i blame the parents for not censoring it from the boy but i can't stop manson from making garbage....it's a free country right? the land of freedom from responsibility...

yes... which still comes down to the kids responsibility to understand right and wrong enough to not shoot himself and others... if he can't do that, then he needs to be removed from society like the other crazy people.

no matter what he was influenced by, it doesn't justify his behavior. even if he grew up in a cannibalistic, incest orgy family and was "influenced" by it to believe that to be normal and correct behavior, he is still required to conform to normal societies expectations.

You're missing the point about parenting pysex. It's not that parents should censor stuff like Marilyn Manson. It's that they teach their kids discipline and morality and social skills. So that if the kid does choose to listen to some weird music, maybe they can enjoy it but not necessarily act on it. Just like you see there's kids who sit down and enjoy the ninja turtles, and maybe play act a little, and there's others who watch it, then go karate chop everything and everyone in sight. It's all a matter of how they're raised. Parents aren't the end all be all as no doubt there's some crappy parents out there, and that's just bad luck on the part of the kid. But they are definitely the first and biggest influence on a child. The attitude and social skills of the kid is definitely partially the parents fault. But having a bad attitude is not a crime, pulling the trigger is, and nobody but the shooter is at fault for that.

THIS

(on a side note... this is prolly the one post that CMAC really needs to read concerning the truth about guns... but i guarantee it'll be the one post he ignores)

jesus... i agree with that, but i'm not putting marilyn manson in the same category as the gun. they are completely unrelated. i'm not pulling marilyn manson's trigger and killing people. it's an physical object that causes death. marilyn manson is a person that hurts ears.

Sometimes you do everything right as a parent but your kids are just crazy

THE POINT IS MOOT FOR YOU ANYWAY.

they took guns away in the UK, and now they're stabbing each other with knives. i guess your solution would be to ban all knives too?

your way doesn't work, so you need to rethink your ideology.

then why'd you ask..?

no. kill me with a knife from 300 yards away. impossible.

try to guess which of the random people that are in arms reach want to kill you....

impossible

less than .00001% (sorry impala, no source)
i understand you had a rough situation happen to you. but the odds are slim.

This post has been edited by cmac: May 25 2009, 07:55 PM

Not having guns would not let a psycho kid kill a whole classroom. Nice idea but look at Mexico, guns illegal and they are still everewhere