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post May 23 2008, 08:35 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356727,00.html

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Close your eyes, reach into your wallet and try to distinguish between a $1 bill and a $5 bill. Impossible? It's also discriminatory, a federal appeals court says.

Since all paper money feels pretty much the same, the government is denying blind people meaningful access to the currency, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled Tuesday. The decision could force the Treasury Department to make bills of different sizes or print them with raised markings or other distinguishing features.

The American Council of the Blind sued for such changes, but the government has been fighting the case for about six years.

The U.S. acknowledges the current design hinders blind people, but it argues that they have adapted. Some rely on store clerks to help, some use credit cards and others fold certain corners to help distinguish between bills.

"I don't think we should have to rely on people to tell us what our money is," said Mitch Pomerantz, the Council of the Blind president.

Others say they manage but not always easily.

"When I pay for something and I get change back, I'm very slow and methodical. I'll ask, 'Is this the 10? Is this the five? Is this the one?"' said Kim Charlson, the library director at the Perkins School for the Blind, which is Helen Keller's alma mater.

Some use electronic currency readers. But they can be expensive, and they sometimes have problems with new $20 bills.

"It's slow," said Sam McClain, who manages a snack shop in a legislative office building near the Georgia Capitol. He has a currency reader but usually relies on the honesty of his customers. "Sometimes I have 10 or 15 people in here, and I can't use it."

The court ruled 2-1 that such adaptations were insufficient under the Rehabilitation Act. The government might as well argue that there's no need to make buildings accessible to wheelchairs because handicapped people can crawl on all fours or ask passers-by for help, the court said.

"Even the most searching tactile examination will reveal no difference between a $100 bill and a $1 bill. The secretary has identified no reason that requires paper currency to be uniform to the touch," Judge Judith W. Rogers wrote for the majority.

Courts don't decide how to design currency. That's up to the Treasury Department, and the ruling forces the department to address what the court called a discriminatory problem.

That could still take years. But since blindness becomes more common with age, people in their 30s and 40s should know that, when they get older, "they will be able to identify their $1 bills from their fives, tens and twenties," said Pomerantz, of the Council of the Blind.

Redesigned bills could also mean more job opportunities, since employers often hesitate to hire blind workers for jobs handling money, said Charlson, of the Perkins School for the Blind.

"When there are so few things in your life that you've got total control over, being able to even take care of your own money is such a big step, without requiring someone to tell you whether you've got enough money to go out and get a beer or have a hamburger," she said.

The government could ask for a rehearing by the full appeals court or challenge the decision to the Supreme Court.

Treasury Department spokeswoman Brookly McLaughlin said the department was reviewing the opinion. She noted that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, which prints the nation's currency, recently hired a contractor to consider ways to help the blind. The results will be available early next year, she said.

While the government has been fighting to overturn the lower court ruling, it has been taking some steps toward modifying U.S. currency for the visually impaired. The most recent currency redesign of the $5 bill introduced in March features a giant "5" printed in purple on one side of the bill to help those with vision problems distinguish the bill.

Indeed, Treasury has previously considered making different sizes of bills but ran into opposition from makers of vending and change machines. Government lawyers raised this issue in court, saying it could cost billions to redesign vending machines. But the court said such data are murky, especially since one proposed solution would be to leave $1 bills unchanged.

Given recent U.S. redesigns, the appeals court ruled the U.S. failed to explain why adding more changes would be an undue burden. More than 100 other countries vary the size of their bills, a federal judge said in 2006, and others include at least some features to help the blind. The appeals court said the U.S. never explained why such solutions wouldn't work here.

Not all blind people agree that U.S. money should be changed. The National Federation of the Blind sided with the government and told the appeals court that no changes were needed.

Charlie Richardson, the legally blind manager of Charlie's Express Stop inside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y., said he doesn't oppose changing the money but disagrees with the ruling.

"To actually be discriminated against is to have something denied to you," Richardson said. "We're not denied the use of money."


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post May 23 2008, 08:54 PM
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FUCK THAT SHIT. don't be blind, or remember to fold your money certain ways.


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post May 23 2008, 10:29 PM
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You know what is a good solution? Give out devices that scan bills and either say which type of bill it is or have braile on it.


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post May 23 2008, 10:35 PM
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hmm good thinking... a bill reader distributed to blind people would probably be a lot cheaper than changing all our money... AGAIN
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post May 23 2008, 11:04 PM
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this reminds me of that stupidass article someone posted a while back about how electric cars should make noise so blind people dont step out in front of them
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post May 24 2008, 06:58 PM
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We can make the bills look like monopoly money but not distinguishable from one another by touch? This doesn't seem like a big problem to solve via an assembly line procedure.


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post May 24 2008, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (impala454 @ May 24 2008, 09:30 AM) *
If you step into the road and get hit by a car, its your own damn fault. Short of blind people, who the hell sticks their ears out, then goes "hmm ok sounds good lemme cross now"?
It's not like I'm being lazy or anything...and I also am not "sticking my ears out" to do it. I just kinda walk, look out the corner of my eye and listen. It's more of an unconscious thing. Honestly, yeah, people should look both ways. I was joking when I said I side with the side against quiet cars. I only said that because I hate the Prius.
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post May 25 2008, 12:06 AM
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I think this is a good decision on the part of the federal appeals court. Putting braille on the bills would not be that big of a deal and would allow blind people to distinguish between their money. You can't always trust a clerk at a store because they might decide to give you a one and put the twenty in their pocket instead. We give other people with disabilities certain rights and privileges in order to provide them with the same opportunities and rights that every day citizens enjoy. The court makes a good point by arguing that the government could logically strip other groups of their rights as well. For example, why should deaf people be able to make phone calls using the relay service. "Well, they are deaf, tough shit. " In elementary school we are taught the golden rule "treat others as you would like to be treated" and i know that if i was deaf, blind, or crippled etc. i would want to have the same opportunities as other people.

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post May 25 2008, 12:22 AM
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I don't agree at all. You can't modify everything in existence for every type of disability to make them equal. You gonna require every product made to put braille on their packaging now too?
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post May 25 2008, 01:43 AM
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No.


Just give blind people a scanner for barcodes and then said machine will verbalize the item in question. God forbid we make the life's of blind people easier. Seriously give a good reason as to why it should not be done other than "no we are going to have put braille on everything! Fuck those blind mother fuckers!"


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post May 25 2008, 03:13 AM
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it's a matter of principle that people (like myself) are concerned with

catering to the minority by inconvieniencing the majority.

retard billy can't pass 2nd grade, so where' gonna teach the class easier material, and apply a grade curve so he can feel smart.

things like that is what i hate. you're blind, fuck off and figure out your own means of survival. no one is owed a free ride. learn to deal with the convieniences everyone else has, and stop begging for special treatment. if you can't pull your wieght, tough shit.


i agree with the scanner though. old people wear heart monitors and other such devices, why not a scanner? that sounds the fairest deal to everyone. plus, they can pay for the damn things themselves


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post May 25 2008, 09:15 AM
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this will be a non issue once stores start saying "credit/debit only"

I don't know if that's a reality anytime soon, but that's all i can think about when i see those commercials where individuals "screw up" the rhythm by using CASH instead of a card to purchase their items.
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post May 25 2008, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2008, 04:13 AM) *
it's a matter of principle that people (like myself) are concerned with

catering to the minority by inconvieniencing the majority.

retard billy can't pass 2nd grade, so where' gonna teach the class easier material, and apply a grade curve so he can feel smart.

things like that is what i hate. you're blind, fuck off and figure out your own means of survival. no one is owed a free ride. learn to deal with the convieniences everyone else has, and stop begging for special treatment. if you can't pull your wieght, tough shit.
i agree with the scanner though. old people wear heart monitors and other such devices, why not a scanner? that sounds the fairest deal to everyone. plus, they can pay for the damn things themselves

wow


just, wow.

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post May 25 2008, 10:07 AM
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I'm not saying "fuck the blind", just saying there's a point where accomodating becomes too much for not enough help. IMHO phasing out all money in favor of braille money in a world where the vast majority of places you spend money accept debit/credit cards, is too much. And like I said, if someone is swapping money, who's to stop them from swapping the products too?
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QUOTE (FORSAKENR320 @ May 25 2008, 04:13 AM) *
it's a matter of principle that people (like myself) are concerned with

catering to the minority by inconvieniencing the majority.

retard billy can't pass 2nd grade, so where' gonna teach the class easier material, and apply a grade curve so he can feel smart.

things like that is what i hate. you're blind, fuck off and figure out your own means of survival. no one is owed a free ride. learn to deal with the convieniences everyone else has, and stop begging for special treatment. if you can't pull your wieght, tough shit.
i agree with the scanner though. old people wear heart monitors and other such devices, why not a scanner? that sounds the fairest deal to everyone. plus, they can pay for the damn things themselves


I was about to post the exact same thing pretty much verbatim

And Zach, he wasn't being literal with that statement. Being blind sucks, yeah. You have a disadvantage to everyone who isn't blind. But you were born in to this society, this society was not born in to you.

What the hell are blind people doing waltzing around city streets anyway? Dumbasses


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